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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: sedetrad on May 09, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
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Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.
Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.
Does the above make sense?
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I was watching an old Sherlock Holmes episode made by Granada TV in 1986 with Jeremy Brett as Holmes and the lady in the episode looked stunning in her elegant and modest gown.
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I live at the beach so, I am not surrounded by much modesty.
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I agree -- women with tons of makeup, who dress like whores, etc. are repulsive to me, because of the ugliness of their soul and lack of virtue.
Of course all men need to get good at custody of the eyes, but I think it's true that some women are more "dangerous" than others for a given man.
For me, the only time I ever feel the need to "watch myself" is when I encounter a women that actually LOOKS and ACTS like a lady, which is pretty rare these days.
Long hair, long skirt/dress, minimal makeup, feminine bearing, etc.
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I know two very attractive girls my age who always wear long skirts and modest blouses.
They are both from some sort of survivalist Christian family where they learn to survive in the wilderness after major disasters. Their father is their preacher.
Oh well.
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I know two very attractive girls my age who always wear long skirts and modest blouses.
They are both from some sort of survivalist Christian family where they learn to survive in the wilderness after major disasters. Their father is their preacher.
Oh well.
Keep in contact with the family.
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For me, the only time I ever feel the need to "watch myself" is when I encounter a women that actually LOOKS and ACTS like a lady, which is pretty rare these days.
Long hair, long skirt/dress, minimal makeup, feminine bearing, etc.
The above is very true for me. The modest woman has become more dangerous to me than the improperly dressed woman. Thank you for writing it so well.
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Women enjoy hearing compliments.
Men tend to think someone flattering them is trying to con them into something.
When I see a woman modestly dressed, I am inclined to tell her she looks
attractive, but it's not easy to say that without seeming to be improper, or forward.
It makes it easier when the woman has daughters with her, who are also
dressed modestly, because I can mention to the mother that I appreciate the
appearance of the girls. And then, in parting, say, "and the same goes for yourself."
I think that in today's situation, women who make the effort to cover themselves
ought to be told they succeeded in making a good impression, but you don't
always have to be obvious. You can respectfully hold the door open, or step
aside on a walkway. In the old days, men would remove their hat and perhaps
bow to a lady. These things are forgotten now, after women's liberation etc.
Overall, it seems to me that you have your priorities mistaken if you are
looking for a good feeling as the reason for appreciating women dressed
modestly. We ought to recognize that it is PROPER and APPROPRIATE for
women to do so, regardless of how it makes a man FEEL.
Our behavior should be based on right reason, not on feelings!!
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To be perfectly honest, I still find hot women in bikini's very attractive, which is why I tend to avoid hanging around the places where they are. As much as is practical anyways as they tend to pop up in parks, shopping malls and even on public transport in the summertime.
I'm glad you've managed to conquer your lust for bikini babes and got it restricted now only to well dressed virtuous modest but classically stylish women.
You certainly have a great deal less temptation to deal with than I and the rest of the male species and that is a blessing for you.
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To be perfectly honest, I still find hot women in bikini's very attractive, which is why I tend to avoid hanging around the places where they are. As much as is practical anyways as they tend to pop up in parks, shopping malls and even on public transport in the summertime.
I'm glad you've managed to conquer your lust for bikini babes and got it restricted now only to well dressed virtuous modest but classically stylish women.
You certainly have a great deal less temptation to deal with than I and the rest of the male species and that is a blessing for you.
I find that I don't have the lust for the bikini babes anymore. I can still find them attractive, but I don't go nuts over them. They are everywhere for me.
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I also dislike skimpy clothing and find it unattractive.
I find women who dress in modest feminine clothing to be very attractive.
I also prefer seeing them in modest skirts or dresses over pants.
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
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I live at the beach so, I am not surrounded by much modesty.
You live at the beach do you........someone has the good life.
Anyway, just remember that women in the West are becoming less and less feminine these days the way they dress, talk and carry themselves. Feminism has actually had the adverse effect on most females who embrace it.
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.
This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.
This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.
Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media. I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.
This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.
Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media. I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.
It's a shame some Catholics are in the dark about the true nature of the conspiracy of a certain "people" to own the media and finance, and to drive all peoples of the earth ever lower into deeper and deeper depths of ignorance and immorality...
It helps to know this truth, because then we can take concrete steps to fight it -- like deciding not to have a TV in one's own house at least...
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Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.
Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.
Does the above make sense?
I know exactly how you feel. For me both are attractive but in very different ways. Seeing an attractive women dressed immodestly can be a great distraction though you know it is not a clean attraction and if you do not snuff it out quickly, it can get out of hand.
But the attraction to a modestly dressed women is far more beautiful and I find that I can admire without having to worry about my mind wondering into forbidden areas. Seeing an attractive and modestly dressed women in a nice skirt is like a fresh cool breeze coming through an open window into a stale stench filled room. It brings relief and actually lifts your spirits in a way and reminds you of the true beauty of the opposite sex.
When I was in Italy I found the immodesty was pretty disgusting and women of all ages would dress like sluts and after a while it really started getting me down and it was really oppressing and it started to make me angry.
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It would probably take a saint of a man not be be attracted, at least on a purely carnal level, to a young, physically attractive, and scantily clad woman (of the same race, depending on the race and the person).
Personally, I am not detached from the world enough to feel absolutely no attraction for physically attractive young women, even if they are totally worldly. However, usually it takes about 5 seconds of listening to their loud mouths and the topics of their discourse to make any physically attraction totally insipid and leave me disgusted.
A dress along won't do it for me. I'm usually put off by any female that has a loud mouth and makes frequent use of it in conversation.
Weak spot is for the quiet ones that never say a word and just like to read and be quiet. I think it's people like these, even if they don't wear dresses, that don't dress ostenatiously, don't engage in lewd conversation, and like to keep to themselves that are the best.
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It's not the TV, it's the abuse of it as a medium.
It's what you subject yourself and God forbid, your children to as well. There's some good educational and informative programs on, albeit, not to many these days, but it's your job as a parent or a sensible adult to decipher through all the garbage and get to what is really wholesome and entertaining. We also need it for things like news or the weather and other educational programs. The most important thing with the idiotbox is time, use it very limited. kind of like your PC, I believe people spend way too much time online than they do watching the boobtube. Really, I think TV might be borrowed time in the not too distant future.
But a television is like a gun, you can use it for the right things like hunting or protection or it can be the death of you or someone you love.
The key is discipline and responsibility
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.
This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.
Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media. I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.
Definitely. We need to bring back censorship and decency laws.
If I remember correctly, the Church was a big influence on hollywood and the ratings system many years ago until television and the big screen lowered their standards and pandered to the many Jєωs now running things in the "business".
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Neil Obstat wrote: When I see a woman modestly dressed, I am inclined to tell her she looks attractive, but it's not easy to say that without seeming to be improper, or forward.
If you tell her she looks attractive then she might think you forward; but I can assure you that no normal balanced woman would think you forward if you simply say "That's a pretty skirt you have on," or "You look very elegant." Also it's not so much what you say but the way that you say it.
We ladies can usually read between the lines!
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We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.
If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.
This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.
Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media. I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.
Definitely. We need to bring back censorship and decency laws.
If I remember correctly, the Church was a big influence on hollywood and the ratings system many years ago until television and the big screen lowered their standards and pandered to the many Jєωs now running things in the "business".
Oh yeah. Bela Lugosi movies for example. You can see a big difference in his horror movies in pre-code hollywood, in terms of nudity. It's the same thing with old movies like "Mata Hari." And then when you compare that to movies like "Shock" with Vincent Price, that was post code and seemed to have a good moral message, like "The Loves of Carmen," with Glenn Ford, from the same era. The whole "feel" is different, going from the early 30s (pre-code) to early 40s (post-code). But in the end, why would you want your kids watching that stuff; I can't see it. They're better off reading "Swiss Family Robinson" or "William Tell," for entertainment, than watching something like "The Loves of Carmen." Although, I think Glenn Ford is awesome! And I love watching those guys from those eras when "a man was a man and a woman was a woman" and the cities were full of the ancestors of the people who now live in exurbia! :laugh1: It's a pre-1960s world and I like it better, than this "apocalyptic" one, where we get to watch everything get destroyed, like in "Night of The Living Dead" or "The Last Man on Earth" or something like that. :laugh1:
(http://www.steve-calvert.co.uk/pub-dom/imgs/the-last-man-on-earth/the-last-man-on-earth.JPG)
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Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.
Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.
Does the above make sense?
It's not crazy at all. Dressing modestly is not done with the intention of being unattractive. You still want to be attractive, put your best foot forward so to speak, but in an uplifting way.
Being attracted to a woman in a bikini is not crazy either. It's normal too but if it isn't your wife, then she's just dragging you down rather than lifting you up.
Essentially, both attractions are normal, it's the end result, the movement in your soul, whether edifying or scandalizing that is different.
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Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.
Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.
Does the above make sense?
The above makes perfect sense. And I haven't seen a post from you in awhile. It is nice to see you back.
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Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.
Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.
Does the above make sense?
You find dresses that Gypsies wear attractive?
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The whole modesty thing for men and women is good and all but we shouldn't concentrate too much on it.
I think women should wear dresses but do you want women wearing dresses when they are exercising? Sounds kinda extreme huh? Or do you want a working man wearing trousers and covered up to the neck when he's out there busting his tail. Yet another example of impracticality.
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The whole modesty thing for men and women is good and all but we shouldn't concentrate too much on it.
You've got to be kidding me. "we shouldn't concentrate too much on it"? Perhaps you should have told that to Padre Pio who refused sacraments to people who dressed more or just as modestly as people would in some traditional chapels today. Why do you think there is so much promiscuity? Where does lust start? Its doesn't start looking at a women dressed in a potato sack head to toe. Immodesty is one of the worst evils of our modern day as it leads to so many other sins of impurity.
I think women should wear dresses but do you want women wearing dresses when they are exercising? Sounds kinda extreme huh? Or do you want a working man wearing trousers and covered up to the neck when he's out there busting his tail. Yet another example of impracticality.
What sort of excercise are you talking about? Women can do excercise such as walking in modest clothes. If you are talking about going to gyms and jogging then that is a completely new issues which are questionable.
There are other activities such as mountain climbing or horse back riding which skirts are not practical for but my biggest issue with women excercisng is the huge craze to wear skin tight pants that leaves nothing to the imagination.
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You've got to be kidding me. "we shouldn't concentrate too much on it"? Perhaps you should have told that to Padre Pio who refused sacraments to people who dressed more or just as modestly as people would in some traditional chapels today. Why do you think there is so much promiscuity? Where does lust start? Its doesn't start looking at a women dressed in a potato sack head to toe. Immodesty is one of the worst evils of our modern day as it leads to so many other sins of impurity.
Read what I said, "Women should wear dresses,.." I think women should wear dresses but even dresses can be immodest especially if the woman has make-up all over her face or if there are short hemlines on the dress. Since women should be wives and mothers working a physcically demanding job should not even be thought of by them but for men, Men should not be bundled up or whatnot when they are exercising.
What sort of excercise are you talking about? Women can do excercise such as walking in modest clothes. If you are talking about going to gyms and jogging then that is a completely new issues which are questionable.
There are other activities such as mountain climbing or horse back riding which skirts are not practical for but my biggest issue with women excercisng is the huge craze to wear skin tight pants that leaves nothing to the imagination.
Questionable? Are you saying women shouldn't jog? Well I for one don't believe in putting women on the shelf. They should be a part of society, just not doing men's work. Yes when women are doing physical exercise I see nothing wrong with running shorts, shirts, and running shoes.
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even dresses can be immodest especially if the woman has make-up all over her face or if there are short hemlines on the dress.
Yes dresses can be immodest if they are skin tight and clingy or too short though makeup itself is not immodest. There is nothing wrong in a little makeup. Too much makeup is rather distasteful and false but not immodest.
Since women should be wives and mothers working a physcically demanding job should not even be thought of by them but for men
So since women should be wives and mothers, when do they have time to go jogging?
Questionable? Are you saying women shouldn't jog? Well I for one don't believe in putting women on the shelf. They should be a part of society, just not doing men's work. Yes when women are doing physical exercise I see nothing wrong with running shorts, shirts, and running shoes.
I would not adivise women to jog because it is not a very feminine activity. Women jogging is only a recent thing and is more of a fashion trend these days and is inspired by feministic principals that say women should do everything men do and more. In the old days women played tennis and wore long skirts to do so. For me that does not seem as unfeminine as a woman jogging around the block in shorts.
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Yes dresses can be immodest if they are skin tight and clingy or too short though makeup itself is not immodest. There is nothing wrong in a little makeup. Too much makeup is rather distasteful and false but not immodest.
I don't believe in make-up. Make-up is just full of bourgeoise decadence and Jєωιѕн consumerism.
So since women should be wives and mothers, when do they have time to go jogging?
Geez you act as if women watch children every single minute of the day.
I would not adivise women to jog because it is not a very feminine activity. Women jogging is only a recent thing and is more of a fashion trend these days and is inspired by feministic principals that say women should do everything men do and more. In the old days women played tennis and wore long skirts to do so. For me that does not seem as unfeminine as a woman jogging around the block in shorts.
So it is 'feminist' to want women to be physically fit so they can have healthy children? Interesting...I am glad we got to the 1900's and past the bourgeoise fascination with foppish fashions on men and women.
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I was ashamed of myself when I saw old photos of myself 30 years ago. I changed my wardrobe and that is easy to do with nice thrift stores. I told my daughters that if you would like the attention of a man, dress modestly. I said, try an experiment. Where pants and top and go to a grocery store. Now try a dress, modest and watch the men go to the door or ask if you need help with groceries or that they strike up a conversation and say you look very nice today! It is very true. Men like women to be a lady. My husband likes to say what he prefers me to wear, in colors that he likes me in. It took 40 years for that to take place. Now, he wants to wear the same color cordination, so we wear greens for an example. I agree, that the Sherlock Holmes shows do show very elegant women in their long dresses. Why even a Queen would dress in the same manner. I once thought, at age 17, that I would not wear a lot of make-up so as not to scare the young men away.So, my daughter felt the same and has not worn make-up. She liked being natural and I am sure the men would rather kiss a cheek wit out the taste of make-up. Ha! Thank you for this blog, we all need to re-think our ways. I like my husband with a very light cologne, and he does not have to wear a tie to look sharp, yet I do see him as very handsome with a suit. I will certainly tell him, that his is pretty! And of course he will be shy about it, but we all know that we need to hear that. How we dress does say what we are thinking inside. I believe that if we are not in wanting of attention and we are content, then we don't have to think we have to show off, besides everyone has the same apparatus. those that do, have pride.
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I was ashamed of myself when I saw old photos of myself 30 years ago. I changed my wardrobe and that is easy to do with nice thrift stores. I told my daughters that if you would like the attention of a man, dress modestly. I said, try an experiment. Where pants and top and go to a grocery store. Now try a dress, modest and watch the men go to the door or ask if you need help with groceries or that they strike up a conversation and say you look very nice today! It is very true. Men like women to be a lady.
Yes if it is not your basic emasculated male then a man does like a feminine woman. :applause:
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I don't believe in make-up. Make-up is just full of bourgeoise decadence and Jєωιѕн consumerism.
Its funny that you speak of Jєωιѕн consumerism in the same line as you mention bourgeoise. If you are so anti-Jєωιѕн(which I have no problem with) then you should know that is was Jєωιѕн inspired revolutions and Marxism that sought to destroy the bourgeoise and over thow them. They sought to overthow the bourgeoise because they symbolised order and class that Christianity brought about in society and not because they wore too much cologne.
What is wrong with makeup? When I speak of makeup, I am not talking about plastering your face. Everything should be in moderation and makeup itself is fine. When it is overused it is not fine just like the abuse of any luxury.
Matthew 26:6-12 And when Jesus was in Bethania, in the house of Simon the leper, There came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
For the poor you have always with you: but me you have not always. For she in pouring this ointment upon my body, hath done it for my burial.
Was Our Lord opposed to the luxury ointment poured over His head that could have been sold and the money given to the poor? No He welcomed it because everything has its place.
Your ideas are puritanincal.
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So it is 'feminist' to want women to be physically fit so they can have healthy children? Interesting...I am glad we got to the 1900's and past the bourgeoise fascination with foppish fashions on men and women.
No I did not say that. I said I would not advise women to go running because it is not feminine. I have nothing against women being fit and healthy. Jogging is not the only exercise on the planet.
You seem to swing from one extreme to the other with no balance or moderation. You are happy that our fashions are no longer bourgeoise and foppish. Well are you now happy that we have swung from there to the other end of the scale where women dress like prostitutes?
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Its funny that you speak of Jєωιѕн consumerism in the same line as you mention bourgeoise. If you are so anti-Jєωιѕн(which I have no problem with) then you should know that is was Jєωιѕн inspired revolutions and Marxism that sought to destroy the bourgeoise and over thow them. They sought to overthow the bourgeoise because they symbolised order and class that Christianity brought about in society and not because they wore too much cologne.
What is wrong with makeup? When I speak of makeup, I am not talking about plastering your face. Everything should be in moderation and makeup itself is fine. When it is overused it is not fine just like the abuse of any luxury.
Your ideas are puritanincal.
You really think that Jєωs were against the bourgeoise? Granted the Jєω does use Marxism as a battering ram against the bourgeoise world just as he used the bouregoise as a battering ram against the feudal world but the Jєω has no greater useful idiot than the bourgeoise. How many of our petty-bourgoise have no problem with their own people devolving into the proletarian morass while he looks with awe at a Negro becoming a 'higher class' while the Jєω blabs about this as proof of the 'equality of all races.' Make-up really just shows consumeristic tendencies in my opinion. As for the Jєω supporting revolution it is true but the monarchy is yet another example of the Jєω having a 'useful idiot.' And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
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So it is 'feminist' to want women to be physically fit so they can have healthy children? Interesting...I am glad we got to the 1900's and past the bourgeoise fascination with foppish fashions on men and women.
No I did not say that. I said I would not advise women to go running because it is not feminine. I have nothing against women being fit and healthy. Jogging is not the only exercise on the planet.
You seem to swing from one extreme to the other with no balance or moderation. You are happy that our fashions are no longer bourgeoise and foppish. Well are you now happy that we have swung from there to the other end of the scale where women dress like prostitutes?
No I am not.
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I was talking with a guy at work today and the topic of fashion models came up; don't ask me how. He raised a very interesting point which I did not realise but made a lot of sense to me.
I mentioned how the fashion industry is full of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. And he replied saying that this is why female fashion models are so skinny. They base their ideal female fashion model on the body shape of a teenage boy. They have no chest or no hour glass figure. Apparently this is well know and accepted in the fashion industry but it is new to me. It makes perfect sense. Its pretty sick.
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I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
So you would rather be a Protestant than a Catholic would you? What difference does it make whether you are white, aborigine, or a Zulu? Are we not all men?
Just out of curiosity, where are you from?
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RE: What is wrong with make-up?
'It is something very improper, something that shows great vanity and is not at all becoming in a Christian, to apply beauty spots and paint to your face, covering it with powder and rouge. The finest ornament of the cheeks is a modest reserve, which makes wellborn people blush when an indecent word, a lie, or a slander is uttered in their presence. '
St. Jean Baptiste de la Salle
http://saintsworks.net/Modesty%20and%20Purity.htm
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RE: What is wrong with make-up?
'It is something very improper, something that shows great vanity and is not at all becoming in a Christian, to apply beauty spots and paint to your face, covering it with powder and rouge. The finest ornament of the cheeks is a modest reserve, which makes wellborn people blush when an indecent word, a lie, or a slander is uttered in their presence. '
St. Jean Baptiste de la Salle
http://saintsworks.net/Modesty%20and%20Purity.htm
I don't think St. Jean Baptiste de la Salle was talking about a little eye liner or lipstick or blush. I think he is refering to "covering it with powder and rouge". He is talking about plastering your face and I agree that is false.
If you read the whole of his Twenty-Five Excerpts you will see that No. 2 says:
2. It is not appropriate to wear a feather behind your ear, to put flowers in your ear, or to have pierced ears with earrings. . . The most beautiful finery for your ears is to keep them unadorned and clean.
How many people do you know wear earings? Practically every girl I know wears earings whether they are Catholic of pagan. I have never heard a Priest tell a girl to take out her earings.
I think these guidelines can change a little with time.
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And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
This statement alone puts you outside the Church. Ipso Facto.
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And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
This statement alone puts you outside the Church. Ipso Facto.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The self-righteousness of people around here is another reason I despise this decadent bourgeoise world.
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I was talking with a guy at work today and the topic of fashion models came up; don't ask me how. He raised a very interesting point which I did not realise but made a lot of sense to me.
I mentioned how the fashion industry is full of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. And he replied saying that this is why female fashion models are so skinny. They base their ideal female fashion model on the body shape of a teenage boy. They have no chest or no hour glass figure. Apparently this is well know and accepted in the fashion industry but it is new to me. It makes perfect sense. Its pretty sick.
Well that is not surprising. The Jєω supports decadent fashion along with decadent art and cinema.
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I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
So you would rather be a Protestant than a Catholic would you? What difference does it make whether you are white, aborigine, or a Zulu? Are we not all men?
Just out of curiosity, where are you from?
I am from South Carolina and yes I am a workingf class white. But see it's funnyto me that the samepeople who moan about Jєωs and liberals also fall into the Jєωιѕн and liberal trap of no difference between races. As for make-up consdiering that make-up was originallyassociated with flapper fashions of the 20's I am suroprised you support it.
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And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
This statement alone puts you outside the Church. Ipso Facto.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The self-righteousness of people around here is another reason I despise this decadent bourgeoise world.
You commited an offense which ipso facto casts you outside the Church and casts you into Hell. I am not telling you to retract your statement and become a Catholic. Your statement alone was an act of religious indifference, heresy and schism all rolled into one.
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I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
So you would rather be a Protestant than a Catholic would you? What difference does it make whether you are white, aborigine, or a Zulu? Are we not all men?
Just out of curiosity, where are you from?
I am from South Carolina and yes I am a workingf class white. But see it's funnyto me that the samepeople who moan about Jєωs and liberals also fall into the Jєωιѕн and liberal trap of no difference between races. As for make-up consdiering that make-up was originallyassociated with flapper fashions of the 20's I am suroprised you support it.
It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.
The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.
The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.
You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.
I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.
Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.
I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.
I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.
Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)
For an example on genetics, Billy has blond hair and blue eyes, he marries sally who has red hair and brown eyes, now by definition billy can only have two blue eye'd genes and two blonde haired genes because if he had one and one other the other would supercede since all the other colours dominate blue and blonde. Now he sends one blue eyed gene to the children. Sally though has one brown eyed gene and one blue eyed gene. Their first child gets one blue eyed gene from each and has blue eyes. The second child has one blue eyed gene from Billy and one brown eyed gene from Sally and thus ends up with brown eyes. Now if they have more children and have of them have blue eyes and the other have brown eyes and those children seperate into two towns, the town with the blue eyes can never get not blue eyes again. The other town will have a mixture, with Brown eyes dominating, at first 3 brown eyed people for every blue eyed person, but over time the blue eyes may become extremely rare or disappear unless more blue eyed people enter the gene pool. This goes for all genetic traits.
Now noone is telling you, that you should or must marry someone of a different race, you should marry someone you choose. But you must love all of God's Children in their wonderous diversity that he created. Different but equal in the eyes of God.
If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.
This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jєωs to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.
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It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.
And may I ask how good were those missions in Africa? How long did they last? :wink:
The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.
Neoconservatives are Jєωιѕн Trotskyites who support spreading democracy. I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.
The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Perhaps you should read this quote by Hitler: "Unlike the Marxian socialists we believe in private property. True socialism respects private property." Besides nαzιsm was more fascist especially since Hitler loved Mussolini.
Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.
No arguments there but I wouldn't go so far as Satanic. A liberal believes what they are doing is good even though they are a bunch of brain-washed dupes. Sounds like some Catholics I know. :wink:
You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.
The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you. :baby:
I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.
I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.
Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.
Yes of course I guess that is why Catholic countries like Spain subjugated the Indians and took part in the slave trade. :rolleyes:
I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.
Yeah I guess the Old Testament sure made everyone equal. :rolleyes:
I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.
No thank you. I have confessed my sins but my political views are not one of them.
Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)
If all races are equal as you say (again a liberal idea) why is it that Whites and Asians show greater mental capacity than say Blacks or Hispanics?
If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.
Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?
This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jєωs to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.
Nonsense the Jєω is the one who tries to blur the racial differences and puts down European superiority.
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Read further what the saints have to say on modesty and you will see that it is an unchanging matter.. having to do with the nature of the virtue of modesty and the purpose of clothing, proper, and when improper -- if we put ourselves in the hands of the saints we are in safe hands. Other hands -- well consider the fewness of the saved...
Modesty is greatly neglected. What purpose do earrings serve? They do not keep a person more warm in winter, they do not cover a part of the body that requires covering. That is what clothing is for. On the contrary, the misuse of clothing is for display, or self glorification. They are for display -- vanity. Make-up? Vanity and dishonesty. A dishonesty about one's appearance and real state. The opposite however would be the virtue of modesty and honesty, a gift to practice.
'Let not their ears be pierced, contrary to nature, in order to attach to them earrings.'
St. Clement of Alexandria
Since modesty is a virtue we should wish to practice it, and not only a little, or a minimum to escape sin -- which when one seeks that goal, one always falls short and into it. :)
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Read further what the saints have to say on modesty and you will see that it is an unchanging matter.. having to do with the nature of the virtue of modesty and the purpose of clothing, proper, and when improper -- if we put ourselves in the hands of the saints we are in safe hands. Other hands -- well consider the fewness of the saved...
Modesty is greatly neglected. What purpose do earrings serve? They do not keep a person more warm in winter, they do not cover a part of the body that requires covering. That is what clothing is for. On the contrary, the misuse of clothing is for display, or self glorification. They are for display -- vanity. Make-up? Vanity and dishonesty. A dishonesty about one's appearance and real state. The opposite however would be the virtue of modesty and honesty, a gift to practice.
'Let not their ears be pierced, contrary to nature, in order to attach to them earrings.'
St. Clement of Alexandria
Since modesty is a virtue we should wish to practice it, and not only a little, or a minimum to escape sin -- which when one seeks that goal, one always falls short and into it. :)
True. St. Gemma was given Jєωelery one time and when she wore it, her guardian angel appeared to her with a disappointed look on his face.
She took it off and never wore Jєωelery again.
As for make-up, when I used to wear lipstick, I was able to make my lips appear bigger. In fact, once when the lipstick came off, the guy I was on a date with was shocked and said, "You have small lips!"
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Thank you Alex for relating that beautiful story. :)
It makes me think, how certain habits can cause the good angels to be pleased or displeased, draw near, or depart far off.
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It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.
And may I ask how good were those missions in Africa? How long did they last? :wink:
The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.
Neoconservatives are Jєωιѕн Trotskyites who support spreading democracy. I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.
The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Perhaps you should read this quote by Hitler: "Unlike the Marxian socialists we believe in private property. True socialism respects private property." Besides nαzιsm was more fascist especially since Hitler loved Mussolini.
Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.
No arguments there but I wouldn't go so far as Satanic. A liberal believes what they are doing is good even though they are a bunch of brain-washed dupes. Sounds like some Catholics I know. :wink:
You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.
The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you. :baby:
I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.
I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.
Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.
Yes of course I guess that is why Catholic countries like Spain subjugated the Indians and took part in the slave trade. :rolleyes:
I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.
Yeah I guess the Old Testament sure made everyone equal. :rolleyes:
I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.
No thank you. I have confessed my sins but my political views are not one of them.
Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)
If all races are equal as you say (again a liberal idea) why is it that Whites and Asians show greater mental capacity than say Blacks or Hispanics?
If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.
Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?
This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jєωs to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.
Nonsense the Jєω is the one who tries to blur the racial differences and puts down European superiority.
You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.
The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.
Do you even understand the issues between Trads and the Novus Ordo?
You obviously are not a Catholic and are thus an infiltrator. Why are you here?
You are now on ignore, heretic ecuмanist.
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And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.
Traditional Guy does me the service of making my points for me. Here he clearly shows that his ideas are not Catholic in the least, that he worships race, that he believes that the true preservation of the natural order derives not from the Faith but from one's racial descent, and furthermore that he is very comfortable around Protestants as opposed to Catholics who come from a different race.
I have been saying, precisely, that this is the logical conclusion of all the White Nationalist rhetoric -- all of which derives from the Renaissance, the Liberalism of the Enlightenment, paganism, and New Age spiritualism. These White Nationalists are either not Catholics or they are too stupid to realise or proud to admit that their febrile insecurities are a window for the devil to creep into their souls. We should not hesitate to call their rhetoric evil, since such people ultimately cannot help the restoration of Christendom. They show such disrespect for the rights of Our Lord now; if they are successful, we should not then expect them to humiliate themselves and set aside their prideful contempt for the Sacred Royalty of the Heart of Jesus and the dignity of His Church.
Of course, I am not speaking of everybody who has argued against me on the racial question, only a certain caste, of which Traditional Guy is obviously a good representative.
The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you.
The underlying struggle of the Thirty Years' War is very far from over. The WASPs are not out to destroy the Faith any more because, according to all appearances, they already have. We live in a time of complete Germanic Protestant domination of the entire world. Then again, considering that you are just some unread kid who fantasises about Adolf Hitler and knows hardly anything about the Catholic Faith, you wouldn't know very much about any of that, now would you ?
Here is my evidence :
I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.
The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal. You seem to be generally uninformed. Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ? "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."
Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?
It was doing far better than Protestant Germany -- before the US bankrolled a Masonic government's persecution of the Church and liberals influenced by the ideas of Germanic Europe misled Pius XI into persuading the Cristeros to lay down their arms. Germany, by the way, is a pretty decadent and disgusting place today, as one might expect in a nation united under the aegis of Lutheran Prussia.
But here's the money quote :
I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.
Besides the use of all of the incoherent terminology, which I will not address, I should point out that the Turks live in a way that is not dissimilar to the Armenians, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians, except they are generally far more saecularised than the latter three and have many Greek customs that they absorbed. Why would a Turkish Catholic be undesirable to have as a friend ? Traditional Guy here is positing something truly stupid, that because a Turk is of Turkic extraction -- and not Indo-European, though incredibly close -- and not "White/European" (though Constantinople is in Europe), no Indo-European Catholic in his right mind would enjoy his company; rather, we should have more in common with and prefer the camaraderie of German Lutherans... Obviously Traditional Catholic's bigotry -- typical of United-Statesians and old-fashioned Northern European Protestant liberals -- reflects a mind that lacks any sensus catholicus. And that is the real truth of the matter : White Nationalism is irreconcilable with the Catholic spirit and our entire history, from the days of Our Lord even back to the time of Noë and his sons, and since the beginning of this world.
P.S. Tell me, why would anybody want to spend time with German Lutherans for any reason ? What is the draw ? I don't get it. Is your family German Lutheran or something ?
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What about St. Therese? There are two photographs of her at about age 12 and another at 15, and in both she is wearing earrings. Her father, Blessed Louis Martin was a Jєωelry maker and her mother made fine Alencon lace.
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Yes, I've seen the photographs, sad to see, not good examples of modesty.
It makes me recall how her father suffered at the end of his life.
If I am not mistaken in my recollection, he did have the good habit of not allowing her to be complimented for her beauty, unless I am confusing this with another parent. So there is this, thankfully. It's a practice all parents should take up, so as to discourage vanity.
This reminds me of how the Council of Trent legislated against bad religious art. Though again, not enough was done, and later some of the work undone.
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I have found the quotation from St. Gemma.
'I recall very well one time I was given a gold watch and chain. Ambitious as I was, I could hardly wait to put it on and go out (an indication, dear Father that my imagination was working on me). I did in fact go out with it on and when I returned home and started to take it off I saw an angel (whom I recognized immediately as my Guardian Angel) who said to me very seriously; "Remember that the precious Jєωelry that adorns the spouse of the Crucified King can only be thorns and the cross."
I did not even tell my confessor about this. In fact, I now tell it for the first time. These words made me fear as did the angel himself. But a little later, while reflecting on them without understanding them at all, I made this resolution: I resolve for the love of Jesus and to please him, never to wear the watch again and not even to speak of things that savor vanity. At the time I also had a ring on my finger. I took it off immediately and from that day to this I have not worn such things.'
St. Gemma Galgani
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What about St. Therese? There are two photographs of her at about age 12 and another at 15, and in both she is wearing earrings. Her father, Blessed Louis Martin was a Jєωelry maker and her mother made fine Alencon lace.
This is before she reached a higher degree of Christian perfection.
There is nothing wrong with wearing such stuff. It is not a sin as long as you don't let it get immoderate. But, if you desire to reach a higher Christian perfection like the saints, you would not wear Jєωelery and such. It is a more perfect way of acting.
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You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.
So much for free speech huh? You guys really aren't that open-minded. You give no refutation of what I said. You just say I'm an idiot and should be silenced. Your emotional attachment really shows you to be more liberal than me. Since the liberal raves about the equality of all men and all progress it seems you are using liberal lines not me.
The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.
Compared to the culture of Mexico which is full of drugs, rape, murder, crime, and gangs? I am not a Protestant or liberal by the way. And the reason Germany gives money to Israel is 'guilt' for the Jєωs and Jєωιѕн thought over there.
Do you even understand the issues between Trads and the Novus Ordo?
I do.
You obviously are not a Catholic and are thus an infiltrator. Why are you here?
So much for "men of goodwill."
You are now on ignore, heretic ecuмanist.
Oh darn. :wink:
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The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal. You seem to be generally uninformed. Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ? "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."
You are correct that free markets and free trade are liberal ideas but the "Right" these days have all accepted these ideas. Oh and don't give me that counsel about listening since you are not at all open-minded yourself.
Oh and by the way I don't at all fantasize about Hitler or German Protestants, whatever that means.
And about the Mexico thing too bad those Mexicans couldn't keep their own country after the United States took it from them hmm? Nevermind the fact that America gave them money and defeated them justly. Oh and about America interfering or whatnot if you'd remember America kicked France out of Mexico for the Mexicans per our Monroe Doctrine. Everything in life that you eat and breathe is not about Catholicism. Seriously...
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You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.
So much for free speech huh?
Catholics do not believe in "free speech." That is a liberal belief.
You guys really aren't that open-minded.
Not when it comes to questions of principle.
You give no refutation of what I said. You just say I'm an idiot and should be silenced.
I have given ample refutations, none of which you apparently were able to mentally assimilate, as evidenced by your lack of cogent responses.
Your emotional attachment really shows you to be more liberal than me.
You seem to suppose emotional reactions in those who oppose you too much. Likewise, you do not seem to have any understanding of what the actual philosophy of liberalism is, since you frequently state liberal beliefs ("free speech," "free markets," etc.) and then accuse people who you wrongly think of as being "emotional" of therefore being liberal. Clearly, you are using terminology that you don't actually understand.
Since the liberal raves about the equality of all men and all progress it seems you are using liberal lines not me.
Liberals speak about "progress" to mean the gradual descent into absolute rejection of God and worship of man's individual sovereignty, buttressed by machines. They speak of the equality of all men and women in their aptitudes, potencies, political authority, personal authority, and so forth because they cannot accept that there are hierarchies in nature between different groups, different families, and the different sexes. We speak of the moral equality of different races and all individuals because everybody has the same end and all, equally, have immortal souls and hearts and minds meant to be united to Our Lord for eternity. That does not, logically, mean that we Catholics believe in the natural equality of different groups and persons in their aptitudes, accomplishments, authority, or whatever else falls into the realm of nature. We also believe in spiritual and moral progress, that is, the soul's journey back to God through removal from the world, the flesh, the devil, and the self. This has nothing to do with the "progress" worshipped by the liberals.
Your failure to know and see these distinctions only demonstrates that you have no business giving opinions on these matters yet; you should, instead, listen and try to learn, since this is all serious business. Any study of the encyclicals of the Popes since the French Revolution, as well as books by approved Catholic writers that deal with these subjects, should be very educational for you. ("Catholicism and Liberalism" is a good book to start with, which should be supplemented by the great encyclicals, then followed with "Liberalism is a Sin" and the books of Fr Denis Fahey on the Kingship of Christ in the world.)
The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.
Compared to the culture of Mexico which is full of drugs, rape, murder, crime, and gangs?
Germany is full of socialism, liberalism, sodomy, drugs, perversion, consumerism, bourgeois decadence, and a host of other anti-Christ phenomena. Do not be fooled by its efficiency and engineering, since these things do not touch the soul.
Old Mexico, before your beloved WASPs bankrolled a Masonic campaign against the Catholic culture there, was quite Catholic and naturally ordered. Germany, one hundred years ago, was far behind Mexico by Catholic standards.
I am not a Protestant or liberal by the way.
Actually, you are a liberal and you are an apologist for Protestantism and Protestants.
And the reason Germany gives money to Israel is 'guilt' for the Jєωs and Jєωιѕн thought over there.
That does not mean that Germany itself if not liberal since, as you say, they have assimilated the evil lessons of the Jєωs.
So much for "men of goodwill."
You have shown yourself to not be a Catholic who tries to think with the mind of the Church, so he is right to condemn you for your words against the mind and spirit and legacy of the Mystical Body of Christ.
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The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal. You seem to be generally uninformed. Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ? "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."
You are correct that free markets and free trade are liberal ideas but the "Right" these days have all accepted these ideas.
They are not, therefore, on the "right" or in the right.
Oh and don't give me that counsel about listening since you are not at all open-minded yourself.
I can give you counsel about listening because you are ill-informed and insolent in the face of Catholic principles and teachings, about which you know very little. This is for your own benefit, not mine (especially given the amount of time I put into this).
Oh and by the way I don't at all fantasize about Hitler or German Protestants, whatever that means.
Whatever you say... :rolleyes:
And about the Mexico thing too bad those Mexicans couldn't keep their own country after the United States took it from them hmm?
This statement of yours is completely irrelevant. Think about it. It is true, though, the WASP US destroyed Mexico. How does this not prove my point ?
Nevermind the fact that America gave them money and defeated them justly.
I am not talking about the Mexican-American War, which was started over the treason of the WASP Texan immigrants to Mexico. I am talking about the Masonic régime of Plutarco Elías Calles and the Cristiada -- the war of the Catholic Cristeros in their resistance against the evil US-funded power in Mexico City.
Oh and about America interfering or whatnot if you'd remember America kicked France out of Mexico for the Mexicans per our Monroe Doctrine.
Yes, during the Mexican Revolution against Emperor Maximiliano de Lorena-Habsburgo, another monument in Hell erected by the US government. Why do you bring these things up ?
Everything in life that you eat and breathe is not about Catholicism. Seriously...
And this, once again, demonstrates that you do not think with the mind of the Church. I do believe that all things in the world -- customs, states, peoples, crafts, daily life, celebrations, art, etc. -- should be restored in Christ and integrated into the Holy Reign of His Sacred Heart. Why don't you ?
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We speak of the moral equality of different races and all individuals because everybody has the same end and all, equally, have immortal souls and hearts and minds meant to be united to Our Lord for eternity.
I should clarify that I do not mean that all souls and races are morally equal after the fact of actual sin, but that they are morally equal in their created metaphysical being. That is to say, all individuals have immortal souls meant to be united to God and therefore are originally spiritually equal as such; they are consequently not equal, however, by the fact of sin.
This is similar to the theological point that God's primary will is that all men be saved but that, on account of man's choice to offend God, His consequent will is that all men not be saved.
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"You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy"-LordPhan[/color]
Well now, that isn't very charitable of you , your "Lord-ship" now is it. First you tell him he's on his way to eternal damnation because he disagrees with you on racial issues and then you call for his banning so he'll be lost in his ignorance (in your mind) with no chance of redemption. Not exactly very Christ-like if you ask me. Also, isn't it always the liberals who want to silence people when they can't shout them down?
"The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.
Oh that's rich, blame the German people for being extorted by worldwide Jєωry and their enablers, enablers like liberal-minded Catholics such as the pope tirelessly apologizing for the holacaust giving fuel to the fire so the Jєωs can extract every last nickel out of those eeevil Germans. Or the Vatican throwing Bp Williamson under the bus over "holacaust-denial" Why don't you be a man and call out the extorters for who they really are and stop blaming German "protestants"?
And where does a Canadian come off knocking German culture ?
"You are now on ignore, heretic ecuмanist. "
Typical liberal Canadian response. That's your answer to everything north of the border these days, censorship. How many "thought crimes" laws have you enacted up there these days? Doesn't anyone up there have the guts to speak out about this liberal, leftists tyranny? They ought to change the symbol on the flag from the maple to the sheeple.
And you have the gaul to condemn liberalism in Germany.
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I have found the quotation from St. Gemma.
'I recall very well one time I was given a gold watch and chain. Ambitious as I was, I could hardly wait to put it on and go out (an indication, dear Father that my imagination was working on me). I did in fact go out with it on and when I returned home and started to take it off I saw an angel (whom I recognized immediately as my Guardian Angel) who said to me very seriously; "Remember that the precious Jєωelry that adorns the spouse of the Crucified King can only be thorns and the cross."
I did not even tell my confessor about this. In fact, I now tell it for the first time. These words made me fear as did the angel himself. But a little later, while reflecting on them without understanding them at all, I made this resolution: I resolve for the love of Jesus and to please him, never to wear the watch again and not even to speak of things that savor vanity. At the time I also had a ring on my finger. I took it off immediately and from that day to this I have not worn such things.'
St. Gemma Galgani
Someone thumbed down this quote. Apparently, that someone thinks they know better than an angel of God
I think the angel knows more about what God considers Christian perfection in acting than you do, Member Who Thumbed It Down.
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Dear Alex,
That is a wonderful quote from holy Saint Gemma.
I am glad that you defended it.
It is always good to see modesty.
St. Gemma was very holy.
What an example Saint Gemma is to us all.
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What about St. Therese? There are two photographs of her at about age 12 and another at 15, and in both she is wearing earrings. Her father, Blessed Louis Martin was a Jєωelry maker and her mother made fine Alencon lace.
:cheers:
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I have found the quotation from St. Gemma.
'I recall very well one time I was given a gold watch and chain. Ambitious as I was, I could hardly wait to put it on and go out (an indication, dear Father that my imagination was working on me). I did in fact go out with it on and when I returned home and started to take it off I saw an angel (whom I recognized immediately as my Guardian Angel) who said to me very seriously; "Remember that the precious Jєωelry that adorns the spouse of the Crucified King can only be thorns and the cross."
I did not even tell my confessor about this. In fact, I now tell it for the first time. These words made me fear as did the angel himself. But a little later, while reflecting on them without understanding them at all, I made this resolution: I resolve for the love of Jesus and to please him, never to wear the watch again and not even to speak of things that savor vanity. At the time I also had a ring on my finger. I took it off immediately and from that day to this I have not worn such things.'
St. Gemma Galgani
Someone thumbed down this quote. Apparently, that someone thinks they know better than an angel of God
I think the angel knows more about what God considers Christian perfection in acting than you do, Member Who Thumbed It Down.
I gave you a thumb up to make up for this.
Maybe this was part of the particular spiritual path/mortification of St. Gemma??? I am pretty sure saints ahve seen Our Lady and others wearing Jєωels and flowers ....She is breathtakingly beautiful to look at without any decoration.
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I love the St. Gemma quote.
The "big picture" I see, in regards to women dressed immodestly, is that for men it's enslaving. The enslavement is to their own lust, but women sort of control the "stuff" that men lust after. So, in this way, men become enslaved to women. It's like the relationship between a drug addict and a drug dealer. Both are enslaved to their passions, but one is clearly dominant in the relationship.
That I guess is supposed to be revolutionary, because it transfers power from men and gives it to women, thereby undermining "the patriarchy." And this is rationalized as good/a necessary evil, because equality is supposed to be just.
So, I think that's how the left/Jєωs/cultural marxists/moderns/feminists whatever rationalize it, but it seems like it's just an attack on the natural order. And, if you wear a bikini to the beach, you get to be a part of that war on the natural order, wittingly or not :laugh1: And if you wear modest clothing, you're sort of defending the natural order, because you aren't trying to turn men into "slaves."
It's stupid simple, but I think that's how it works!
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I have found the quotation from St. Gemma.
'I recall very well one time I was given a gold watch and chain. Ambitious as I was, I could hardly wait to put it on and go out (an indication, dear Father that my imagination was working on me). I did in fact go out with it on and when I returned home and started to take it off I saw an angel (whom I recognized immediately as my Guardian Angel) who said to me very seriously; "Remember that the precious Jєωelry that adorns the spouse of the Crucified King can only be thorns and the cross."
I did not even tell my confessor about this. In fact, I now tell it for the first time. These words made me fear as did the angel himself. But a little later, while reflecting on them without understanding them at all, I made this resolution: I resolve for the love of Jesus and to please him, never to wear the watch again and not even to speak of things that savor vanity. At the time I also had a ring on my finger. I took it off immediately and from that day to this I have not worn such things.'
St. Gemma Galgani
So this means St. Gemma Galgani would not wear a sterling silver rosary as a necklace?
(http://media.itshot.com/catalog/product/400x400/images/diamond-cut-sterling-silver-rosary-bead-necklace-p-40343bod.jpg)