[LordPhan]

I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.

So you would rather be a Protestant than a Catholic would you? What difference does it make whether you are white, aborigine, or a Zulu? Are we not all men?
Just out of curiosity, where are you from?

I am from South Carolina and yes I am a workingf class white. But see it's funnyto me that the samepeople who moan about Jews and liberals also fall into the Jєωιѕн and liberal trap of no difference between races. As for make-up consdiering that make-up was originallyassociated with flapper fashions of the 20's I am suroprised you support it.

It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.

The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.

The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.

Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.

You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.

I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.

Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.

I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.

I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.

Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)

For an example on genetics, Billy has blond hair and blue eyes, he marries sally who has red hair and brown eyes, now by definition billy can only have two blue eye'd genes and two blonde haired genes because if he had one and one other the other would supercede since all the other colours dominate blue and blonde. Now he sends one blue eyed gene to the children. Sally though has one brown eyed gene and one blue eyed gene. Their first child gets one blue eyed gene from each and has blue eyes. The second child has one blue eyed gene from Billy and one brown eyed gene from Sally and thus ends up with brown eyes. Now if they have more children and have of them have blue eyes and the other have brown eyes and those children seperate into two towns, the town with the blue eyes can never get not blue eyes again. The other town will have a mixture, with Brown eyes dominating, at first 3 brown eyed people for every blue eyed person, but over time the blue eyes may become extremely rare or disappear unless more blue eyed people enter the gene pool. This goes for all genetic traits.

Now noone is telling you, that you should or must marry someone of a different race, you should marry someone you choose. But you must love all of God's Children in their wonderous diversity that he created. Different but equal in the eyes of God.

If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.

This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jews to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.

[Traditional Guy 20]

It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.

And may I ask how good were those missions in Africa? How long did they last? :wink:

The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.

Neoconservatives are Jєωιѕн Trotskyites who support spreading democracy. I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.

The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.

Perhaps you should read this quote by Hitler: "Unlike the Marxian socialists we believe in private property. True socialism respects private property." Besides nαzιsm was more fascist especially since Hitler loved Mussolini.

Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.

 No arguments there but I wouldn't go so far as Satanic. A liberal believes what they are doing is good even though they are a bunch of brain-washed dupes. Sounds like some Catholics I know. :wink:

You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.

The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you. :baby:

I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.

I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.

Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.

Yes of course I guess that is why Catholic countries like Spain subjugated the Indians and took part in the slave trade. :rolleyes:

I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.

Yeah I guess the Old Testament sure made everyone equal. :rolleyes:

I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.

No thank you. I have confessed my sins but my political views are not one of them.

Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)

If all races are equal as you say (again a liberal idea) why is it that Whites and Asians show greater mental capacity than say Blacks or Hispanics?

If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.

Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?

This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jews to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.

Nonsense the Jew is the one who tries to blur the racial differences and puts down European superiority.

[shin]

Read further what the saints have to say on modesty and you will see that it is an unchanging matter.. having to do with the nature of the virtue of modesty and the purpose of clothing, proper, and when improper -- if we put ourselves in the hands of the saints we are in safe hands. Other hands -- well consider the fewness of the saved...

Modesty is greatly neglected. What purpose do earrings serve? They do not keep a person more warm in winter, they do not cover a part of the body that requires covering. That is what clothing is for. On the contrary, the misuse of clothing is for display, or self glorification. They are for display -- vanity. Make-up? Vanity and dishonesty. A dishonesty about one's appearance and real state. The opposite however would be the virtue of modesty and honesty, a gift to practice.

'Let not their ears be pierced, contrary to nature, in order to attach to them earrings.'

St. Clement of Alexandria

Since modesty is a virtue we should wish to practice it, and not only a little, or a minimum to escape sin -- which when one seeks that goal, one always falls short and into it. :)

[Alex]

Read further what the saints have to say on modesty and you will see that it is an unchanging matter.. having to do with the nature of the virtue of modesty and the purpose of clothing, proper, and when improper -- if we put ourselves in the hands of the saints we are in safe hands. Other hands -- well consider the fewness of the saved...

Modesty is greatly neglected. What purpose do earrings serve? They do not keep a person more warm in winter, they do not cover a part of the body that requires covering. That is what clothing is for. On the contrary, the misuse of clothing is for display, or self glorification. They are for display -- vanity. Make-up? Vanity and dishonesty. A dishonesty about one's appearance and real state. The opposite however would be the virtue of modesty and honesty, a gift to practice.

'Let not their ears be pierced, contrary to nature, in order to attach to them earrings.'

St. Clement of Alexandria

Since modesty is a virtue we should wish to practice it, and not only a little, or a minimum to escape sin -- which when one seeks that goal, one always falls short and into it. :)

True. St. Gemma was given jewelery one time and when she wore it, her guardian angel appeared to her with a disappointed look on his face.
She took it off and never wore jewelery again.

As for make-up, when I used to wear lipstick, I was able to make my lips appear bigger. In fact, once when the lipstick came off, the guy I was on a date with was shocked and said, "You have small lips!"

[shin]

Thank you Alex for relating that beautiful story. :)

It makes me think, how certain habits can cause the good angels to be pleased or displeased, draw near, or depart far off.

[LordPhan]

It is you who has fallen into the trap, the Catholic position has completely escaped you, get this through your head, the true name of the old system of imperialism was in fact "Liberal Imperialism" it was the Liberals who went around stating the races were inferior etc and that the white 'race' had to go in and save them. The conservatives were only interested in sending missionaries. The liberals then went so far especially in germany to start doing experiments on the natives in Africa.

And may I ask how good were those missions in Africa? How long did they last? :wink:

The Neo-Conservative Movement was started by a Liberal and a Socialist, they are Liberals who swung to the right economically but not morally.

Neoconservatives are Jєωιѕн Trotskyites who support spreading democracy. I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.

The nαzι party is a socialist party. National Socialist German Workers Party.

Perhaps you should read this quote by Hitler: "Unlike the Marxian socialists we believe in private property. True socialism respects private property." Besides nαzιsm was more fascist especially since Hitler loved Mussolini.

Satan is the master of Liberalism, he doesn't care which end of the spectrum you fall into so long as it is not the Catholic one.

 No arguments there but I wouldn't go so far as Satanic. A liberal believes what they are doing is good even though they are a bunch of brain-washed dupes. Sounds like some Catholics I know. :wink:

You belief based on your statement above that Protestants(Who are the first Liberals of the modern age) can get to heaven, is false, only Catholics can get to heaven. One way or another they must enter the One true Church of Christ to get to heaven, this may pain you to hear since you are obviously worldly and have ties to protestant factions that are poisoning your mind, but they are agents of Lucifer out to bring you into the Kingdom of Hell.

The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you. :baby:

I suggest you work on your interior life and study the faith more before commenting on this any further, since you are most definately commiting scandal in your statements and breaking Canon Law, and Divine law which put you outside the Church until you repent. Your penance of course would most likely include rectifying your scandals so it is best that you don't cause anymore.

I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.

Race was never a consideration pre-liberalism. Culture was but race was not.

Yes of course I guess that is why Catholic countries like Spain subjugated the Indians and took part in the slave trade. :rolleyes:

I of course am referring to Christian society, in the pagan world race was a consideration, and the more society reverts to paganism the more these idiotic ideas(that are really a replacement for the faith) appear stronger and stronger in the apostates and heretics.
from allowing these modernist ideas to latch onto you and force you into hell.

Yeah I guess the Old Testament sure made everyone equal. :rolleyes:

I hope you take my advice, I hope you talk to your priest about this. I hope you have a Traditional Priest. Talk to him. But do not scandalise the children who sometimes come on this board.

No thank you. I have confessed my sins but my political views are not one of them.

Now I'll explain to you the true position as it has always been, we do not believe there are races that are superior then others. All races have a common ancestor. There is no such thing as evolution. The races did not evolve, they had common ancestors who through close breeding diverged genetically. (IE: Noah and his children had all the traits that all the races have, they had these genetics in their blood, when they had children some of them got some traits and others, other traits, the children went to different parts of the world and being seperate bred with close relatives keeping those traits and losing the other traits of those that had left.)

If all races are equal as you say (again a liberal idea) why is it that Whites and Asians show greater mental capacity than say Blacks or Hispanics?

If there is a CULTURE that needs correcting we should correct it and attempt to save their souls, but teaching them the faith. Not because we are better, but because we are God's servants and humble before him to do his work to gather more souls for him and to repent of our own sinful natures. Once they are members of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Culture then their is no difference between us, they are equal to us.

Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?

This PRIDE(Which is a sin mind you) that you are superior to someone else because of some twisted american gibberish belief in white and black or whatever(Which was created by the Jews to confuse you into attacking those other then them) is entirely un-Catholic in belief, un-Christian in nature and against all divine law.

Nonsense the Jew is the one who tries to blur the racial differences and puts down European superiority.

You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.

The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.

Do you even understand the issues between Trads and the Novus Ordo?

You obviously are not a Catholic and are thus an infiltrator. Why are you here?

You are now on ignore, heretic ecuмanist.

[PereJoseph]

And as for my ideas being Puritan or whatnot I'd rather be a WASP than a aborigine or Zulu Catholic.

Traditional Guy does me the service of making my points for me.  Here he clearly shows that his ideas are not Catholic in the least, that he worships race, that he believes that the true preservation of the natural order derives not from the Faith but from one's racial descent, and furthermore that he is very comfortable around Protestants as opposed to Catholics who come from a different race.

I have been saying, precisely, that this is the logical conclusion of all the White Nationalist rhetoric -- all of which derives from the Renaissance, the Liberalism of the Enlightenment, paganism, and New Age spiritualism.  These White Nationalists are either not Catholics or they are too stupid to realise or proud to admit that their febrile insecurities are a window for the devil to creep into their souls.  We should not hesitate to call their rhetoric evil, since such people ultimately cannot help the restoration of Christendom.  They show such disrespect for the rights of Our Lord now; if they are successful, we should not then expect them to humiliate themselves and set aside their prideful contempt for the Sacred Royalty of the Heart of Jesus and the dignity of His Church.

Of course, I am not speaking of everybody who has argued against me on the racial question, only a certain caste, of which Traditional Guy is obviously a good representative.

The Thirty Years' War is over. It's okay WASPs aren't out to get you.

The underlying struggle of the Thirty Years' War is very far from over.  The WASPs are not out to destroy the Faith any more because, according to all appearances, they already have.  We live in a time of complete Germanic Protestant domination of the entire world.  Then again, considering that you are just some unread kid who fantasises about Adolf Hitler and knows hardly anything about the Catholic Faith, you wouldn't know very much about any of that, now would you ?

Here is my evidence :

I don't know what is 'right-wing' about the 'Big Government Conservatism' of neoconservatism besides neo-cons supporting free trade and free markets.

The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal.  You seem to be generally uninformed.  Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ?  "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."

Yeah tell me how a culture as Catholic Mexico is doing compared to the culture of say Germany?

It was doing far better than Protestant Germany -- before the US bankrolled a Masonic government's persecution of the Church and liberals influenced by the ideas of Germanic Europe misled Pius XI into persuading the Cristeros to lay down their arms.  Germany, by the way, is a pretty decadent and disgusting place today, as one might expect in a nation united under the aegis of Lutheran Prussia.

But here's the money quote :

I am not committing scandal here. Any European or White Catholic who says that they would rather hang out with a Hottentot or Turk Catholic rather than German Lutherans is either a) full of crap or b) a brainwashed liberal.

Besides the use of all of the incoherent terminology, which I will not address, I should point out that the Turks live in a way that is not dissimilar to the Armenians, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians, except they are generally far more saecularised than the latter three and have many Greek customs that they absorbed.  Why would a Turkish Catholic be undesirable to have as a friend ?  Traditional Guy here is positing something truly stupid, that because a Turk is of Turkic extraction -- and not Indo-European, though incredibly close -- and not "White/European" (though Constantinople is in Europe), no Indo-European Catholic in his right mind would enjoy his company; rather, we should have more in common with and prefer the camaraderie of German Lutherans...  Obviously Traditional Catholic's bigotry -- typical of United-Statesians and old-fashioned Northern European Protestant liberals -- reflects a mind that lacks any sensus catholicus.  And that is the real truth of the matter :  White Nationalism is irreconcilable with the Catholic spirit and our entire history, from the days of Our Lord even back to the time of Noë and his sons, and since the beginning of this world.

P.S.  Tell me, why would anybody want to spend time with German Lutherans for any reason ?  What is the draw ?  I don't get it.  Is your family German Lutheran or something ?

[MrsZ]

What about St. Therese?   There are two photographs of her at about age 12 and another at 15, and in both she is wearing earrings.  Her father, Blessed Louis Martin was a jewelry maker and her mother made fine Alencon lace.

[shin]

Yes, I've seen the photographs, sad to see, not good examples of modesty.

It makes me recall how her father suffered at the end of his life.

If I am not mistaken in my recollection, he did have the good habit of not allowing her to be complimented for her beauty, unless I am confusing this with another parent. So there is this, thankfully. It's a practice all parents should take up, so as to discourage vanity.

This reminds me of how the Council of Trent legislated against bad religious art. Though again, not enough was done, and later some of the work undone.

[shin]

I have found the quotation from St. Gemma.

'I recall very well one time I was given a gold watch and chain. Ambitious as I was, I could hardly wait to put it on and go out (an indication, dear Father that my imagination was working on me). I did in fact go out with it on and when I returned home and started to take it off I saw an angel (whom I recognized immediately as my Guardian Angel) who said to me very seriously; "Remember that the precious jewelry that adorns the spouse of the Crucified King can only be thorns and the cross."

I did not even tell my confessor about this. In fact, I now tell it for the first time. These words made me fear as did the angel himself. But a little later, while reflecting on them without understanding them at all, I made this resolution: I resolve for the love of Jesus and to please him, never to wear the watch again and not even to speak of things that savor vanity. At the time I also had a ring on my finger. I took it off immediately and from that day to this I have not worn such things.'

St. Gemma Galgani

[Alex]

What about St. Therese?   There are two photographs of her at about age 12 and another at 15, and in both she is wearing earrings.  Her father, Blessed Louis Martin was a jewelry maker and her mother made fine Alencon lace.

This is before she reached a higher degree of Christian perfection.

There is nothing wrong with wearing such stuff. It is not a sin as long as you don't let it get immoderate. But, if you desire to reach a higher Christian perfection like the saints, you would not wear jewelery and such. It is a more perfect way of acting.

[Traditional Guy 20]

You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.

So much for free speech huh? You guys really aren't that open-minded. You give no refutation of what I said. You just say I'm an idiot and should be silenced. Your emotional attachment really shows you to be more liberal than me. Since the liberal raves about the equality of all men and all progress it seems you are using liberal lines not me.

The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.

Compared to the culture of Mexico which is full of drugs, rape, murder, crime, and gangs? I am not a Protestant or liberal by the way. And the reason Germany gives money to Israel is 'guilt' for the Jews and Jєωιѕн thought over there.

Do you even understand the issues between Trads and the Novus Ordo?

I do.

You obviously are not a Catholic and are thus an infiltrator. Why are you here?

So much for "men of goodwill."

You are now on ignore, heretic ecuмanist.

Oh darn. :wink:

[Traditional Guy 20]

The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal.  You seem to be generally uninformed.  Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ?  "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."

You are correct that free markets and free trade are liberal ideas but the "Right" these days have all accepted these ideas. Oh and don't give me that counsel about listening since you are not at all open-minded yourself.

Oh and by the way I don't at all fantasize about Hitler or German Protestants, whatever that means.

And about the Mexico thing too bad those Mexicans couldn't keep their own country after the United States took it from them hmm? Nevermind the fact that America gave them money and defeated them justly. Oh and about America interfering or whatnot if you'd remember America kicked France out of Mexico for the Mexicans per our Monroe Doctrine. Everything in life that you eat and breathe is not about Catholicism. Seriously...

[PereJoseph]

You are commiting scandal and anyone who says that they would rather hang out with a 'white lutheran' then a turk catholic or any other is the liberal not a Catholic and is the true Liberal, not the other way around. You should be banned for your idiocy.

So much for free speech huh?

Catholics do not believe in "free speech."  That is a liberal belief.

You guys really aren't that open-minded.

Not when it comes to questions of principle.

You give no refutation of what I said. You just say I'm an idiot and should be silenced.

I have given ample refutations, none of which you apparently were able to mentally assimilate, as evidenced by your lack of cogent responses.

Your emotional attachment really shows you to be more liberal than me.

You seem to suppose emotional reactions in those who oppose you too much.  Likewise, you do not seem to have any understanding of what the actual philosophy of liberalism is, since you frequently state liberal beliefs ("free speech," "free markets," etc.) and then accuse people who you wrongly think of as being "emotional" of therefore being liberal.  Clearly, you are using terminology that you don't actually understand.

Since the liberal raves about the equality of all men and all progress it seems you are using liberal lines not me.

Liberals speak about "progress" to mean the gradual descent into absolute rejection of God and worship of man's individual sovereignty, buttressed by machines.  They speak of the equality of all men and women in their aptitudes, potencies, political authority, personal authority, and so forth because they cannot accept that there are hierarchies in nature between different groups, different families, and the different sexes.  We speak of the moral equality of different races and all individuals because everybody has the same end and all, equally, have immortal souls and hearts and minds meant to be united to Our Lord for eternity.  That does not, logically, mean that we Catholics believe in the natural equality of different groups and persons in their aptitudes, accomplishments, authority, or whatever else falls into the realm of nature.  We also believe in spiritual and moral progress, that is, the soul's journey back to God through removal from the world, the flesh, the devil, and the self.  This has nothing to do with the "progress" worshipped by the liberals.

Your failure to know and see these distinctions only demonstrates that you have no business giving opinions on these matters yet; you should, instead, listen and try to learn, since this is all serious business.  Any study of the encyclicals of the Popes since the French Revolution, as well as books by approved Catholic writers that deal with these subjects, should be very educational for you. ("Catholicism and Liberalism" is a good book to start with, which should be supplemented by the great encyclicals, then followed with "Liberalism is a Sin" and the books of Fr Denis Fahey on the Kingship of Christ in the world.)

The Culture of Germany is doing pretty bad, they are giving billions of dollars per year to Israel because they are liberal protestant idiots like yourself who have been brainwashed into thinking they can ecuмanise.

Compared to the culture of Mexico which is full of drugs, rape, murder, crime, and gangs?

Germany is full of socialism, liberalism, sodomy, drugs, perversion, consumerism, bourgeois decadence, and a host of other anti-Christ phenomena.  Do not be fooled by its efficiency and engineering, since these things do not touch the soul.

Old Mexico, before your beloved WASPs bankrolled a Masonic campaign against the Catholic culture there, was quite Catholic and naturally ordered.  Germany, one hundred years ago, was far behind Mexico by Catholic standards.

I am not a Protestant or liberal by the way.

Actually, you are a liberal and you are an apologist for Protestantism and Protestants.

And the reason Germany gives money to Israel is 'guilt' for the Jews and Jєωιѕн thought over there.

That does not mean that Germany itself if not liberal since, as you say, they have assimilated the evil lessons of the Jews.

So much for "men of goodwill."

You have shown yourself to not be a Catholic who tries to think with the mind of the Church, so he is right to condemn you for your words against the mind and spirit and legacy of the Mystical Body of Christ.

[PereJoseph]

The ideas of "free markets" and "free trade" are liberal.  You seem to be generally uninformed.  Have you considered that, given your lack of knowledge and experience, it might be wiser to listen at a forum like this, rather than be so quick to give your ill-formed opinions ?  "A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool speaks because he must say something."

You are correct that free markets and free trade are liberal ideas but the "Right" these days have all accepted these ideas.

They are not, therefore, on the "right" or in the right.

Oh and don't give me that counsel about listening since you are not at all open-minded yourself.

I can give you counsel about listening because you are ill-informed and insolent in the face of Catholic principles and teachings, about which you know very little.  This is for your own benefit, not mine (especially given the amount of time I put into this).

Oh and by the way I don't at all fantasize about Hitler or German Protestants, whatever that means.

Whatever you say... :rolleyes:

And about the Mexico thing too bad those Mexicans couldn't keep their own country after the United States took it from them hmm?

This statement of yours is completely irrelevant.  Think about it.  It is true, though, the WASP US destroyed Mexico.  How does this not prove my point ?

Nevermind the fact that America gave them money and defeated them justly.

I am not talking about the Mexican-American War, which was started over the treason of the WASP Texan immigrants to Mexico.  I am talking about the Masonic régime of Plutarco Elías Calles and the Cristiada -- the war of the Catholic Cristeros in their resistance against the evil US-funded power in Mexico City.

Oh and about America interfering or whatnot if you'd remember America kicked France out of Mexico for the Mexicans per our Monroe Doctrine.

Yes, during the Mexican Revolution against Emperor Maximiliano de Lorena-Habsburgo, another monument in Hell erected by the US government.  Why do you bring these things up ?

Everything in life that you eat and breathe is not about Catholicism. Seriously...

And this, once again, demonstrates that you do not think with the mind of the Church.  I do believe that all things in the world -- customs, states, peoples, crafts, daily life, celebrations, art, etc. -- should be restored in Christ and integrated into the Holy Reign of His Sacred Heart.  Why don't you ?