[Matthew]

We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.

If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.

This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.

Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v.  Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media.  I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.  

It's a shame some Catholics are in the dark about the true nature of the conspiracy of a certain "people" to own the media and finance, and to drive all peoples of the earth ever lower into deeper and deeper depths of ignorance and immorality...

It helps to know this truth, because then we can take concrete steps to fight it -- like deciding not to have a TV in one's own house at least...

[Zenith]

Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.

Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.

Does the above make sense?

I know exactly how you feel. For me both are attractive but in very different ways. Seeing an attractive women dressed immodestly can be a great distraction though you know it is not a clean attraction and if you do not snuff it out quickly, it can get out of hand.

But the attraction to a modestly dressed women is far more beautiful and I find that I can admire without having to worry about my mind wondering into forbidden areas. Seeing an attractive and modestly dressed women in a nice skirt is like a fresh cool breeze coming through an open window into a stale stench filled room. It brings relief and actually lifts your spirits in a way and reminds you of the true beauty of the opposite sex.

When I was in Italy I found the immodesty was pretty disgusting and women of all ages would dress like sluts and after a while it really started getting me down and it was really oppressing and it started to make me angry.

[Vladimir]

It would probably take a saint of a man not be be attracted, at least on a purely carnal level, to a young, physically attractive, and scantily clad woman (of the same race, depending on the race and the person).



Personally, I am not detached from the world enough to feel absolutely no attraction for physically attractive young women, even if they are totally worldly. However, usually it takes about 5 seconds of listening to their loud mouths and the topics of their discourse to make any physically attraction totally insipid and leave me disgusted.

A dress along won't do it for me. I'm usually put off by any female that has a loud mouth and makes frequent use of it in conversation.

Weak spot is for the quiet ones that never say a word and just like to read and be quiet. I think it's people like these, even if they don't wear dresses, that don't dress ostenatiously, don't engage in lewd conversation, and like to keep to themselves that are the best.

[alaric]

It's not the TV, it's the abuse of it as a medium.

It's what you subject yourself and God forbid, your children to as well. There's some good educational and informative programs on, albeit, not to many these days, but it's your job as a parent or a sensible adult to decipher through all the garbage and get to what is really wholesome and entertaining. We also need  it for things like news or the weather and other educational programs. The most important thing with the idiotbox is time, use it very limited. kind of like your PC, I believe people spend way too much time online than they do watching the boobtube. Really, I think TV might be borrowed time in the not too distant future.

But a television is like a gun, you can use it for the right things like hunting or protection or it can be the death of you or someone you love.

The key is discipline and responsibility

[alaric]

We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.

If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.

This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.

Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media.  I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.  

Definitely. We need to bring back censorship and decency laws.

If I remember correctly, the Church was a big influence on hollywood and the ratings system many years ago until television and the big screen lowered their standards and pandered to the many Jєωs now running things in the "business".

[Nadir]

Neil Obstat wrote: When I see a woman modestly dressed, I am inclined to tell her she looks attractive, but it's not easy to say that without seeming to be improper, or forward.

If you tell her she looks attractive then she might think you forward; but I can assure you that no normal balanced woman would think you forward if you simply say "That's a pretty skirt you have on," or "You look very elegant." Also it's not so much what you say but the way that you say it.

We ladies can usually read between the lines!

[Marcelino]

We should pray for women who feel compelled to dress immodestly - they are spiritually sick.

If men actually ran this country we would do more than just pray. We need some kind of Iran-style dress code enforcement laws in this culture to keep people in check and I don't mean just the women, how many male mental midgets do we see walking around with their pants offensively hanging halfway down their butts to insult anyone in their presence.

This gutter and ghetto mentality needs to be strictly legislated.

Everybody's just "aping" what they see on t.v. Mostly, I think, you gotta crack down on the media.  I think that's the biggest source of bad dressing habits.  

Definitely. We need to bring back censorship and decency laws.

If I remember correctly, the Church was a big influence on hollywood and the ratings system many years ago until television and the big screen lowered their standards and pandered to the many Jєωs now running things in the "business".

Oh yeah.  Bela Lugosi movies for example.  You can see a big difference in his horror movies in pre-code hollywood, in terms of nudity.  It's the same thing with old movies like "Mata Hari."  And then when you compare that to movies like "Shock" with Vincent Price, that was post code and seemed to have a good moral message, like "The Loves of Carmen," with Glenn Ford, from the same era.  The whole "feel" is different, going from the early 30s (pre-code) to early 40s (post-code).  But in the end, why would you want your kids watching that stuff;  I can't see it.  They're better off reading "Swiss Family Robinson" or "William Tell," for entertainment, than watching something like "The Loves of Carmen."  Although, I think Glenn Ford is awesome!  And I love watching those guys from those eras when "a man was a man and a woman was a woman" and the cities were full of the ancestors of the people who now live in exurbia!    It's a pre-1960s world and I like it better, than this "apocalyptic" one, where we get to watch everything get destroyed, like in "Night of The Living Dead" or "The Last Man on Earth" or something like that.  

[wallflower]

Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.

Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.

Does the above make sense?

It's not crazy at all. Dressing modestly is not done with the intention of being unattractive. You still want to be attractive, put your best foot forward so to speak, but in an uplifting way.

Being attracted to a woman in a bikini is not crazy either. It's normal too but if it isn't your wife, then she's just dragging you down rather than lifting you up.

Essentially, both attractions are normal, it's the end result, the movement in your soul, whether edifying or scandalizing that is different.

[Sigismund]

Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.

Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.

Does the above make sense?

The above makes perfect sense.  And I haven't seen a post from you in awhile.  It is nice to see you back.

[Traditional Guy 20]

Women are dressed so poorly nowadays, that I find it very "attractive" when I see a modestly or properly dressed woman. The naked bikini thing doesn't do it for me anymore as it is everywhere. It is no longer alluring. What I am writing sounds crazy, but a well dressed Catholic woman objectively "looks" attractive to right ordered men.

Someone mentioned women in gypsy dresses. I find them modest and very attractive on ladies.

Does the above make sense?

You find dresses that Gypsies wear attractive?

[Traditional Guy 20]

The whole modesty thing for men and women is good and all but we shouldn't concentrate too much on it.

I think women should wear dresses but do you want women wearing dresses when they are exercising? Sounds kinda extreme huh? Or do you want a working man wearing trousers and covered up to the neck when he's out there busting his tail. Yet another example of impracticality.

[Zenith]

The whole modesty thing for men and women is good and all but we shouldn't concentrate too much on it.

You've got to be kidding me. "we shouldn't concentrate too much on it"? Perhaps you should have told that to Padre Pio who refused sacraments to people who dressed more or just as modestly as people would in some traditional chapels today. Why do you think there is so much promiscuity? Where does lust start? Its doesn't start looking at a women dressed in a potato sack head to toe. Immodesty is one of the worst evils of our modern day as it leads to so many other sins of impurity.  

I think women should wear dresses but do you want women wearing dresses when they are exercising? Sounds kinda extreme huh? Or do you want a working man wearing trousers and covered up to the neck when he's out there busting his tail. Yet another example of impracticality.

What sort of excercise are you talking about? Women can do excercise such as walking in modest clothes. If you are talking about going to gyms and jogging then that is a completely new issues which are questionable.

There are other activities such as mountain climbing or horse back riding which skirts are not practical for but my biggest issue with women excercisng is the huge craze to wear skin tight pants that leaves nothing to the imagination.

[Traditional Guy 20]

You've got to be kidding me. "we shouldn't concentrate too much on it"? Perhaps you should have told that to Padre Pio who refused sacraments to people who dressed more or just as modestly as people would in some traditional chapels today. Why do you think there is so much promiscuity? Where does lust start? Its doesn't start looking at a women dressed in a potato sack head to toe. Immodesty is one of the worst evils of our modern day as it leads to so many other sins of impurity.  

Read what I said, "Women should wear dresses,.." I think women should wear dresses but even dresses can be immodest especially if the woman has make-up all over her face or if there are short hemlines on the dress. Since women should be wives and mothers working a physcically demanding job should not even be thought of by them but for men, Men should not be bundled up or whatnot when they are exercising.

What sort of excercise are you talking about? Women can do excercise such as walking in modest clothes. If you are talking about going to gyms and jogging then that is a completely new issues which are questionable.

There are other activities such as mountain climbing or horse back riding which skirts are not practical for but my biggest issue with women excercisng is the huge craze to wear skin tight pants that leaves nothing to the imagination.

Questionable? Are you saying women shouldn't jog? Well I for one don't believe in putting women on the shelf. They should be a part of society, just not doing men's work. Yes when women are doing physical exercise I see nothing wrong with running shorts, shirts, and running shoes.

[Zenith]

even dresses can be immodest especially if the woman has make-up all over her face or if there are short hemlines on the dress.

Yes dresses can be immodest if they are skin tight and clingy or too short though makeup itself is not immodest. There is nothing wrong in a little makeup. Too much makeup is rather distasteful and false but not immodest.

Since women should be wives and mothers working a physcically demanding job should not even be thought of by them but for men

So since women should be wives and mothers, when do they have time to go jogging?

Questionable? Are you saying women shouldn't jog? Well I for one don't believe in putting women on the shelf. They should be a part of society, just not doing men's work. Yes when women are doing physical exercise I see nothing wrong with running shorts, shirts, and running shoes.

I would not adivise women to jog because it is not a very feminine activity. Women jogging is only a recent thing and is more of a fashion trend these days and is inspired by feministic principals that say women should do everything men do and more. In the old days women played tennis and wore long skirts to do so. For me that does not seem as unfeminine as a woman jogging around the block in shorts.

[Traditional Guy 20]

Yes dresses can be immodest if they are skin tight and clingy or too short though makeup itself is not immodest. There is nothing wrong in a little makeup. Too much makeup is rather distasteful and false but not immodest.

I don't believe in make-up. Make-up is just full of bourgeoise decadence and Jєωιѕн consumerism.

So since women should be wives and mothers, when do they have time to go jogging?

Geez you act as if women watch children every single minute of the day.

I would not adivise women to jog because it is not a very feminine activity. Women jogging is only a recent thing and is more of a fashion trend these days and is inspired by feministic principals that say women should do everything men do and more. In the old days women played tennis and wore long skirts to do so. For me that does not seem as unfeminine as a woman jogging around the block in shorts.

So it is 'feminist' to want women to be physically fit so they can have healthy children? Interesting...I am glad we got to the 1900's and past the bourgeoise fascination with foppish fashions on men and women.