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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Mel Gibson Arranges Conditional Ordinations
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2023, 01:10:57 PM »
From Voris (his rant against SVism) --
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The world is in crisis because the Church is in crisis. Loyal sons of the Church must step forward and now become involved in this and put an end to it — all of it — by exposing it:
    *  What will be commonly understood as secret "reordinations"*  Valid and/or invalid sacraments flowing from them
    *  Jurisdictional control of the Church
    *  The role of the clergy*  What "side" people are on
    *  Which side is right
    *  Who the pope is
    *  Is there a pope?
    *  If so, how do you know?

These dilemmas threaten the very life of the Church (as we have come to understand that) and all of this must be brought out and corrected for the good of the Church's unity and respect for the authenticity of the holy sacraments.

I'd prefer that Voris not be exposing anything.

Throughout his video and here with his "reordinations", Voris shows himself eminently unqualified to comment on the matter.  It's referred to as a conditional ordination, Mike.  At one point he tried to refer to it as a "supplying of ceremonies".  :facepalm:

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Mel Gibson Arranges Conditional Ordinations
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2023, 01:21:47 PM »
No need for a show on this, Mike, as I can answer your questions in just a couple minutes here.

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*  What will be commonly understood as secret "reordinations"*  Valid and/or invalid sacraments flowing from them
These are known as "conditional ordinations", Mike.  If the bishop consecrating is valid and applies the correct valid matter and form, and the priest is not already ordained, he'd become a valid priest.  If he's already valid, there would be no Holy Orders conferred, thus "conditional" ordination.
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*  Jurisdictional control of the Church
*  The role of the clergy
*  What "side" people are on
*  Which side is right
Answers to these depend entirely on the answers to the following questions.
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*  Who the pope is
Unknown.
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*  Is there a pope?
Probably not, but if there is, it's not Jorge Bergoglio.
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*  If so, how do you know?
Marks of the Church, and the Church's indefectibility let us know that Jorge is not the pope.

There, that wasn't so hard.  No need for a series of shows on the subject.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Mel Gibson Arranges Conditional Ordinations
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2023, 01:23:33 PM »
Voris:
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It will be the poison of a schismatic mindset that has been allowed to fester in the Church for decades by reckless, wicked, uncaring and cowardly bishops who allow any evil on the right or left to gain traction.

I don't know of any Conciliar "bishop" who has allowed sedevacantism ("evil on the right").  Meanwhile, they not only "allow" but actively promote the "evil on the left".  Voris is spinning them as weak and cowardly rather than as the radical leftist Modernists that they are.
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Mel Gibson Arranges Conditional Ordinations
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2023, 03:31:30 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 14, 2023, 01:10:57 PM
I'd prefer that Voris not be exposing anything.
No, you didn't write that!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Mel Gibson Arranges Conditional Ordinations
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2023, 03:40:25 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on February 14, 2023, 03:31:30 PM
No, you didn't write that!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Yes, it was a cheap shot, but he's been extremely vitriolic and often uncharitable toward Traditional Catholics, going so far as, in one video, implying that Archbishop Lefebvre himself was knowingly protecting and then ordaining ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs ... so I couldn't resist.
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