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Offline Kephapaulos

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Marriage seeking advice
« on: August 28, 2022, 06:35:34 PM »
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  • In light of recent threads such as this one on Marriage vows and domestic abuse: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/marriage-vows-and-domestic-abuse/msg843570/?topicseen#msg843570, I see it paramount about working on oneself in preparation for potential marriage prospects.

    I see over the years my likes and dislikes and my good traits and flaws and moral defects.

    Here are some observations of mine:

    1) I have struggled through trial and error to read emotional cues and listen better, but it has been difficult still. It becomes hard to find the right moment to talk and to give the right expression in times of joy or seriousness. I think this might turn many women away. I may just come off too serious and perhaps appear mean and aloof to most women for all I know. I am not exactly the best looking but not the worst either. And this is all in regard to even traditional Catholic women.

    2) I still live at home with my mother and stepfather. I feel obligated to take care of them, and it seems the traditional way is to take care of your parents in their old age. They are not traditional Catholics exactly, but they are open to Tradition. At least my mother is. She is definitely the one I worry about the most with her health and all, but I feel restricted sometimes by her opinions about any situations I come across, and perhaps I fear she will be right if I make the wrong decision about something and hence fear such humiliation. She's afraid to lose me because she sees me as the only one who will be there for her. Her mother, my grandmother, did not treat her right growing up as most of her siblings have not as well due to the influence of my grandmother, who has passed on. The influence still persists. My sister also is not necessarily to be relied on always for in time of need. My stepfather and father also are of the middle period babyboomer generation of men who missed the mark on self sacrifice in varying degrees. I do love all my family members and do not mean and am sorry to speak badly about them in any way. They are good people still.

    3) I have pondered moving. The problem is where would I find work in an economy that could be in shambles sooner or later? It's hard enough finding another job altogether. I am 38 and work as a banker for a good company right now. I have the weakness of buying books and have a large library of overfilled bookshelves, for I have a silly fear of the internet going down with no access to basic information, most especially on the Catholic faith. I have college debt but have been on a forgiveness program for the federal loans and refinanced the private loans on a fixed rate. I am in a better situation with those now.

    4) I could exercise more too. I should also eat healthier. I just need to take more time to do so. Do you recommend any good ways of increasing serotonin?

    5) As for particular virtues I want to work more on would be diligence, patience, and chastity (particularly in regard to thoughts and sight).

    What do you think? Thank you. 
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 07:44:47 PM »
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  • In light of recent threads such as this one on Marriage vows and domestic abuse: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/marriage-vows-and-domestic-abuse/msg843570/?topicseen#msg843570, I see it paramount about working on oneself in preparation for potential marriage prospects.

    I see over the years my likes and dislikes and my good traits and flaws and moral defects.

    Here are some observations of mine:

    1) I have struggled through trial and error to read emotional cues and listen better, but it has been difficult still. It becomes hard to find the right moment to talk and to give the right expression in times of joy or seriousness. I think this might turn many women away. I may just come off too serious and perhaps appear mean and aloof to most women for all I know. I am not exactly the best looking but not the worst either. And this is all in regard to even traditional Catholic women.

    2) I still live at home with my mother and stepfather. I feel obligated to take care of them, and it seems the traditional way is to take care of your parents in their old age. They are not traditional Catholics exactly, but they are open to Tradition. At least my mother is. She is definitely the one I worry about the most with her health and all, but I feel restricted sometimes by her opinions about any situations I come across, and perhaps I fear she will be right if I make the wrong decision about something and hence fear such humiliation. She's afraid to lose me because she sees me as the only one who will be there for her. Her mother, my grandmother, did not treat her right growing up as most of her siblings have not as well due to the influence of my grandmother, who has passed on. The influence still persists. My sister also is not necessarily to be relied on always for in time of need. My stepfather and father also are of the middle period babyboomer generation of men who missed the mark on self sacrifice in varying degrees. I do love all my family members and do not mean and am sorry to speak badly about them in any way. They are good people still.

    3) I have pondered moving. The problem is where would I find work in an economy that could be in shambles sooner or later? It's hard enough finding another job altogether. I am 38 and work as a banker for a good company right now. I have the weakness of buying books and have a large library of overfilled bookshelves, for I have a silly fear of the internet going down with no access to basic information, most especially on the Catholic faith. I have college debt but have been on a forgiveness program for the federal loans and refinanced the private loans on a fixed rate. I am in a better situation with those now.

    4) I could exercise more too. I should also eat healthier. I just need to take more time to do so. Do you recommend any good ways of increasing serotonin?

    5) As for particular virtues I want to work more on would be diligence, patience, and chastity (particularly in regard to thoughts and sight).

    What do you think? Thank you.
    You sound great!

    Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth:
    - you should move from your parents home for at least the first year or two after marriage
    - after that, if agreed, you can move back 
    - I don't think moving out now is important to the type of women you should be interested in
    - exercise is the best form of increasing serotonin.  Foods that can increase serotonin levels include eggs, cheese, turkey, nuts, salmon, tofu, and pineapple.  Meditating can help relieve stress and promote a positive outlook on life, which can greatly boost serotonin levels.
    - pray for help with the virtues you want to work on.

    Also, I think you need to meet my daughter!  Or mother, depending upon your age restrictions! ;)


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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #2 on: August 28, 2022, 09:48:31 PM »
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  • Thank you, epiphany!

    I should have probably added another flaw or aspect to me. It can be difficult these days to not be shallow, but I can see through looks to how the person acts no matter how good looking they are. I can still observe how well they behave. There is the sweetness of sanctity (or simply a natural goodness) or the stench of sin. 
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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #3 on: August 28, 2022, 11:25:08 PM »
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  • Thank you, epiphany!

    I should have probably added another flaw or aspect to me. It can be difficult these days to not be shallow, but I can see through looks to how the person acts no matter how good looking they are. I can still observe how well they behave. There is the sweetness of sanctity (or simply a natural goodness) or the stench of sin.

    You're right on this. It's not a fault. Even Scripture says you can tell a lot about a woman by her bearing, the haughtiness of her eyes, her forwardness, etc. OR her natural femininity/docility/a certain modicuм of shyness which is what you're looking for. At least a desire to not put oneself on display and be the center of attention at all times. 

    Speaking of which, this is why some of the best women don't "put themselves up for sale" on dating websites. To find these living treasures, you have to go out exploring IRL. It's a lot of work I suppose, but it's probably worth it for the single guys who want to be married.

    Lastly, those who want a beautiful/chaste/feminine wife had better not be a "playboy" themselves, or their desires are a bit hypocritical, don't you think? I'm not talking about Kepha here (since I know him) but I do know there are worldly, non-religious guys with a "past" who want their wife-for-life to be as pure as the driven snow. Why do they think they deserve this, exactly?
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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2022, 12:44:28 PM »
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  • Thank you, Matthew!

    Strangely, I have received different responses from different priests about my case. I had pursued a vocation through the Dominican order a few years ago by writing to the different groups. Avrillé could not accept me due to college debt, and the SSPX Dominican to whom I wrote had determined I did not have a vocation to the priesthood. I even wrote to the Novus Ordo east and west Dominican provinces to see what would happen. They each responded in turn wanting to talk with me more, but I did not go any further with them.

    I went on an Ignatian retreat last year and it seems I could not really be part of the area of religious or priests, and it was thought I should marry.

    My own priest at the chapel thought I should marry as well, and he had said to me several years ago that it is because of how I dress that layfolk have thought I should be a priest.

    Recently, still being 38, a visiting SSPX priest had told me this year that I am too old for the priesthood or marriage, and he asked me if I would be interested in the religious life.

    It has become confusing for me, but I have looked toward marriage still. It is still hard to find anyone. Women do not want to act like women, nor make themselves available and are always too busy. I am not perfect and can always be a better man as well, but it is difficult to find opportunities. I cannot travel often with limited vacation time, but I will see what to do.

    Nevertheless, it used to be in days of old in the early Church that priests were older when they were ordained since they were wiser by that time. It was a later thing that the Church ordained men in their twenties and capped off at a certain age, although there have been exceptions.

    There seems to me to be a thing in the SSPX that they do encourage more the men and the women in their twenties to get married, which I understand and support, but they do seem to give me the impression that they do not encourage people as much in their thirties to get married. Perhaps that is due to the limitation of being able to have children in regard to age, and I know that couples who marry young can adapt more easily to one and another from the start as time goes. It just not seem fair to me and to be kind of esoteric in some way.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2022, 04:50:29 PM »
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  • Thank you, Matthew!

    Strangely, I have received different responses from different priests about my case. I had pursued a vocation through the Dominican order a few years ago by writing to the different groups. Avrillé could not accept me due to college debt, and the SSPX Dominican to whom I wrote had determined I did not have a vocation to the priesthood. I even wrote to the Novus Ordo east and west Dominican provinces to see what would happen. They each responded in turn wanting to talk with me more, but I did not go any further with them.

    I went on an Ignatian retreat last year and it seems I could not really be part of the area of religious or priests, and it was thought I should marry.

    My own priest at the chapel thought I should marry as well, and he had said to me several years ago that it is because of how I dress that layfolk have thought I should be a priest.

    Recently, still being 38, a visiting SSPX priest had told me this year that I am too old for the priesthood or marriage, and he asked me if I would be interested in the religious life.

    It has become confusing for me, but I have looked toward marriage still. It is still hard to find anyone. Women do not want to act like women, nor make themselves available and are always too busy. I am not perfect and can always be a better man as well, but it is difficult to find opportunities. I cannot travel often with limited vacation time, but I will see what to do.

    Nevertheless, it used to be in days of old in the early Church that priests were older when they were ordained since they were wiser by that time. It was a later thing that the Church ordained men in their twenties and capped off at a certain age, although there have been exceptions.

    There seems to me to be a thing in the SSPX that they do encourage more the men and the women in their twenties to get married, which I understand and support, but they do seem to give me the impression that they do not encourage people as much in their thirties to get married. Perhaps that is due to the limitation of being able to have children in regard to age, and I know that couples who marry young can adapt more easily to one and another from the start as time goes. It just not seem fair to me and to be kind of esoteric in some way.
    You should come to the TRAD MEET-UP we are hosting in November.  The number of men who have signed up so far is WAY lower than the number of women.  And I can vouch that at least half the women are VERY solid traditional Catholics and some have even at one point or another considered the religious life but were told that it was not their vocation.

    It is mostly over the weekend.  So, you wouldn't miss much work/lose much vacation time.  Just a thought.  :popcorn:
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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2022, 06:09:22 PM »
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    Recently, still being 38, a visiting SSPX priest had told me this year that I am too old for the priesthood or marriage, and he asked me if I would be interested in the religious life.
    Ignore that priests advice!


    When my husband and I met, he was 41 and I was 35. Moreover, he spoke poor English, he was not permanent in Australia and he had little money. Nevertheless when I laid my eyes on him I knew he was the one for me.

    We married 3 months later, and forty years, 3 children and 11 grandchildren later, we are still happily wed.

    38 is not too old to marry.  Just trust In God’s plan for you. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2022, 06:13:27 PM »
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  • Ignore that priests advice!
    There's nothing wrong with his promoting the religious life. It's a higher state of life than marriage.
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  • There's nothing wrong with his promoting the religious life. It's a higher state of life than marriage.

    The path to hell is lined with the souls of priests and bishops.

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  • There's nothing wrong with his promoting the religious life. It's a higher state of life than marriage.
    I did not mention or downgrade the religious life.

    But if the assumption that 38 is too old to become a priest or to marry, then 38 would be too old for religious life. The advice that 38 is too old for a man to marry is wrong. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #10 on: September 06, 2022, 03:48:12 AM »
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  • Hi Kepha!

    While working on your own situation is always desirable, I wonder how much effort you've put in to interacting with a wider group of people. With the number of SSPXers in this area being very limited, have you spent time at other conservative outlets (dioceses TLM for starters) in the area or even traveled to other SSPX chapels in TX? While the Trad Meet-up being planned sounds lovely, unless you're willing to move away from your parents, it probably isn't the best option for you. Start local and work your way out. (Unless, of course, you ARE willing to move, then my recommendation would be very different.)

    Also, while there's nothing inherently wrong with living with your parents (and saving money!), you should make sure that you're not letting them hinder your level of independence. Since you're in banking, I'm sure you know that you need to be building your own financial independence. A relative of ours recently wanted to buy his first car. Despite being 30 years old and having 80% of the money needed, he couldn't buy it because he had no credit of his own to speak of (still living w/parent). Since then, he's opened his own credit card so that eventually he'll have enough credit to get an apartment. This is just one example, but the idea carries across many areas. You want anyone looking at your situation to see that if your parents suddenly weren't there, you wouldn't be at a loss for figuring out how to take care of yourself.


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  • Ignore that priests advice!


    When my husband and I met, he was 41 and I was 35. Moreover, he spoke poor English, he was not permanent in Australia and he had little money. Nevertheless when I laid my eyes on him I knew he was the one for me.

    We married 3 months later, and forty years, 3 children and 11 grandchildren later, we are still happily wed.

    38 is not too old to marry.  Just trust In God’s plan for you.
    Right there with you Nadir.  My husband and I didn't meet until we were 37.  I did not realize you married later in life.  Unfortunately we were never blessed with children, but God knows best.

    OP, don't let your age stop you from a marriage vocation.  

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    Re: Marriage seeking advice
    « Reply #12 on: September 06, 2022, 12:05:21 PM »
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  • Thank you, Matthew!

    Strangely, I have received different responses from different priests about my case. I had pursued a vocation through the Dominican order a few years ago by writing to the different groups. Avrillé could not accept me due to college debt, and the SSPX Dominican to whom I wrote had determined I did not have a vocation to the priesthood. I even wrote to the Novus Ordo east and west Dominican provinces to see what would happen. They each responded in turn wanting to talk with me more, but I did not go any further with them.

    I went on an Ignatian retreat last year and it seems I could not really be part of the area of religious or priests, and it was thought I should marry.

    My own priest at the chapel thought I should marry as well, and he had said to me several years ago that it is because of how I dress that layfolk have thought I should be a priest.

    Recently, still being 38, a visiting SSPX priest had told me this year that I am too old for the priesthood or marriage, and he asked me if I would be interested in the religious life.

    It has become confusing for me, but I have looked toward marriage still. It is still hard to find anyone. Women do not want to act like women, nor make themselves available and are always too busy. I am not perfect and can always be a better man as well, but it is difficult to find opportunities. I cannot travel often with limited vacation time, but I will see what to do.

    Nevertheless, it used to be in days of old in the early Church that priests were older when they were ordained since they were wiser by that time. It was a later thing that the Church ordained men in their twenties and capped off at a certain age, although there have been exceptions.

    There seems to me to be a thing in the SSPX that they do encourage more the men and the women in their twenties to get married, which I understand and support, but they do seem to give me the impression that they do not encourage people as much in their thirties to get married. Perhaps that is due to the limitation of being able to have children in regard to age, and I know that couples who marry young can adapt more easily to one and another from the start as time goes. It just not seem fair to me and to be kind of esoteric in some way.
    Stop talking to priests if you want to marry.
    Talk to them if you want to pursue a religious vocation.
    They will confuse you, otherwise.

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  • Quote from: epiphany 9/5/2022, 6:41:38 PM
    The path to hell is lined with the souls of priests and bishops.
    I wrote it wrong...

    St. John Chrysostom:

    "The road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lampposts that light the path."




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  • I know a woman who first married at 41.  Her husband was 38.  They were blessed with four children.  There’s no reason to give up the idea of marriage, but I agree with MD, look in reality, not online.  As for becoming a priest or religious, you seem to have that caring sort of temperament taking care of your parents that translates well, imo, to good husband/father material.  If not, you could remain single and perhaps join a third order.  
    I don’t recall where I read it, but there’s an old prayer to discern and fulfill one’s vocation.  You might try adding it on to your daily Rosary.  And if you’re able, attend the singles weekend.  
    It sounds like a good opportunity to meet some eligible women, or if not, to have some fun.  Being single myself, I’d like to go, but it’s too far and I’m just a few decades over the age limit! 👵🏻