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Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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    Margaret Sanger (1879–1966).  

    Woman and the New Race.  1920.

    V. The Wickedness of Creating Large Families


    THE MOST serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children. These statements may startle those who have never made a thorough investigation of the problem. They are, nevertheless, well considered, and the truth of them is abundantly borne out by an examination of facts and conditions which are part of everyday experience or observation.  1
      The immorality of large families lies not only in their injury to the members of those families but in their injury to society. If one were asked offhand to name the greatest evil of the day one might, in the light of one’s education by the newspapers, or by agitators, make any one of a number of replies. One might say prostitution, the oppression of labor, child labor, or war. Yet the poverty and neglect which drives a girl into prostitution usually has its source in a family too large to be properly cared for by the mother, if the girl is not actually subnormal because her mother bore too many children, and, therefore, the more likely to become a prostitute. Labor is oppressed because it is too plentiful; wages go up and conditions improve when labor is scarce. Large families make plentiful labor and they also provide the workers for the child-labor factories as well as the armies of unemployed. That population, swelled by overbreeding, is a basic cause of war, we shall see in a later chapter. Without the large family, not one of these evils could exist to any considerable extent, much less to the extent that they exist to-day. The large family—especially the family too large to receive adequate care—is the one thing necessary to the perpetuation of these and other evils and is therefore a greater evil than any one of them.  2
      First of the manifold immoralities involved in the producing of a large family is the outrage upon the womanhood of the mother. If no mother bore children against her will or against her feminine instinct, there would be few large families. The average mother of a baby every year or two has been forced into unwilling motherhood, so far as the later arrivals are concerned. It is not the less immoral when the power which compels enslavement is the church, state or the propaganda of well-meaning patriots clamoring against “race ѕυιcιdє.” The wrong is as great as if the enslaving force were the unbridled passions of her husband. The wrong to the unwilling mother, deprived of her liberty, and all opportunity of self-development, is in itself enough to condemn large families as immoral.  3
      The outrage upon the woman does not end there, however. Excessive childbearing is now recognized by the medical profession as one of the most prolific causes of ill health in women. There are in America hundreds of thousands of women, in good health when they married, who have within a few years become physical wrecks, incapable of mothering their children, incapable of enjoying life.  4
      “Every physician,” writes Dr. Wm. J. Robinson in Birth Control or The Limitation of Offspring, “knows that too frequent childbirth, nursing and the sleepless nights that are required in bringing up a child exhaust the vitality of thousands of mothers, make them prematurely old, or turn them into chronic invalids.”  5
      The effect of the large family upon the father is only less disastrous than it is upon the mother. The spectacle of the young man, happy in health, strength and the prospect of a joyful love life, makes us smile in sympathy. But this same young man ten years later is likely to present a spectacle as sorry as it is familiar. If he finds that the children come one after another at short intervals—so fast indeed that no matter how hard he works, nor how many hours, he cannot keep pace with their needs—the lover whom all the world loves will have been converted into a disheartened, threadbare incompetent, whom all the world pities or despises. Instead of being the happy, competent father, supporting one or two children as they should be supported, he is the frantic struggler against the burden of five or six, with the tragic prospect of several more. The ranks of the physically weakened, mentally dejected and spiritually hopeless young fathers of large families attest all too strongly the immorality of the system.  6
      If its effects upon the mother and the wage earning father were not enough to condemn the large family as an institution, its effects upon the child would make the case against it conclusive. In the United States, some 300,000 children under one year of age die each twelve months. Approximately ninety per cent of these deaths are directly or indirectly due to malnutrition, to other diseased conditions resulting from poverty, or to excessive childbearing by the mother.  7
      The direct relationship between the size of the wage-earner’s family and the death of children less than one year old has been revealed by a number of studies of the infant death rate. One of the clearest of these was that made by Arthur Geissler among miners and cited by Dr. Alfred Ploetz before the First International Eugenic Congress. 1  Taking 26,000 births from unselected marriages, and omitting families having one and two children, Geissler got this result:


      Deaths During
    First Year
    1st born children    23%
    2nd    "    "20%
    3rd    "    "21%
    4th    "    "23%
    5th    "    "26%
    6th    "    "29%
    7th    "    "31%
    8th    "    "33%
    9th    "    "36%
    10th    "    "41%
    11th    "    "51%
    12th    "    "60%

    Thus we see that the second and third children have a very good chance to live through the first year. Children arriving later have less and less chance, until the twelfth has hardly any chance at all to live twelve months.
      8
      This does not complete the case, however, for those who care to go farther into the subject will find that many of those who live for a year die before they reach the age of five.  9
      Many, perhaps, will think it idle to go farther in demonstrating the immorality of large families, but since there is still an abundance of proof at hand, it may be offered for the sake of those who find difficulty in adjusting old-fashioned ideas to the facts. The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it. The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate, and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five, operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members. Moreover, the overcrowded homes of large families reared in poverty further contribute to this condition. Lack of medical attention is still another factor, so that the child who must struggle for health in competition with other members of a closely packed family has still great difficulties to meet after its poor constitution and malnutrition have been accounted for.  10
      The probability of a child handicapped by a weak constitution, an overcrowded home, inadequate food and care, and possibly a deficient mental equipment, winding up in prison or an almshouse, is too evident for comment. Every jail, hospital for the insane, reformatory and institution for the feebleminded cries out against the evils of too prolific breeding among wage-workers.  11
      We shall see when we come to consider the relation of voluntary motherhood to the rights of labor and to the prevention of war that the large family of the worker makes possible his oppression, and that it also is the chief cause of such human h0Ɩ0cαųsts as the one just closed after the four and a half bloodiest years in history. No such extended consideration is necessary to indicate from what source the young slaves in the child-labor factories come. They come from large impoverished families—from families in which the older children must put their often feeble strength to the task of supporting the younger.  12
      The immorality of bringing large families into the world is recognized by those who are combatting the child-labor evil. Mary Alden Hopkins, writing in Harper’s Weekly in 1915, quotes Owen R. Lovejoy, general secretary of the National Child Labor Committee, as follows:  13
      “How many are too many?… Any more than the mother can look after and the father make a living for … Under present conditions as soon as there are too many children for the father to feed, some of them go to work in the mine or factory or store or mill near by. In doing this, they not only injure their tender growing bodies, but indirectly, they drag down the father’s wage … The home becomes a mere rendezvous for the nightly gathering of bodies numb with weariness and minds drunk with sleep.” And if they survive the factory, they marry to perpetuate and multiply their ignorance, weakness and diseases.  14
      What have large families to do with prostitution? Ask anyone who has studied the problem. The size of the family has a direct bearing on the lives of thousands of girls who are living in prostitution. Poverty, lack of care and training during adolescence, overcrowded housing conditions which accompany large families are universally recognized causes of “waywardness” in girls. Social workers have cried out in vain against these conditions, pointing to their inevitable results.  15
      In the foreword to Downward Paths, A. Maude Royden says: “Intimately connected with this aspect of the question is that of home and housing, especially of the child. The age at which children are first corrupted is almost incredibly early, until we consider the nature of the surroundings in which they grow up. Insufficient space, over-crowding, the herding together of all ages and both sexes—these things break down the barriers of a natural modesty and reserve. Where decency is practically impossible, unchastity will follow, and follow almost as a matter of course.” And the child who has no place to play except in the street, who lacks mother care, whose chief emotional experience is the longing for the necessities of life? We know too well the end of the sorry tale. The forlorn figures of the shadows where lurk the girls who sell themselves that they may eat and be clothed rise up to damn the moral dogmatists, who mouth their sickening exhortations to the wives and mothers of the workers to breed, breed, breed.[size=-2]  16[/size]
      The evidence is conclusive as regards the large family of the wage-worker. Social workers, physicians and reformers cry out to stop the breeding of these, who must exist in want until they become permanent members of the ranks of the unfit.[size=-2]  17[/size]
      But what of the family of the wealthy or the merely well-to-do? It is among these classes that we find the women who have attained to voluntary motherhood. It is to these classes, too, that the “race ѕυιcιdє” alarmists have from time to time addressed specially emphasized pleas for more children. The advocates of more prolific breeding urge that these same women have more intelligence, better health, more time to care for children and more means to support them. They therefore declare that it is the duty of such women to populate the land with strong, healthy, intelligent offspring—to bear children in great numbers.[size=-2]  18[/size]
      It is high time to expose the sheer foolishness of this argument. The first absurdity is that the women who are in comfortable circuмstances could continue to be cultured and of social value if they were the mothers of large families. Neither could they maintain their present standard of health nor impart it to their children.[size=-2]  19[/size]
      While it is true that they have resources at their command which ease the burden of childbearing and child rearing immeasurably, it is also true that the wealthy mother, as well as the poverty-stricken mother, must give from her own system certain elements which it takes time to replace. Excessive childbearing is harder on the woman who lacks care than on the one who does not, but both alike must give their bodies time to recover from the strain of childbearing. If the women in fortunate circuмstances gave ear to the demand of masculine “race-ѕυιcιdє” 2  fanatics they could within a few years be down to the condition of their sisters who lack time to cultivate their talents and intellects. A vigorous, intelligent, fruitfully cultured motherhood is all but impossible if no restriction is placed by that motherhood upon the number of children.[size=-2]  20[/size]
      Wage-workers and salaried people have a vital interest in the size of the families of those better situated in life. Large families among the rich are immoral not only because they invade the natural right of woman to the control of her own body, to self-development and to self-expression, but because they are oppressive to the poorer elements of society. If the upper and middle classes of society had kept pace with the poorer elements of society in reproduction during the past fifty years, the working class to-day would be forced down to the level of the Chinese whose wage standard is said to be a few handfuls of rice a day.[size=-2]  21[/size]
      If these considerations are not enough to halt the masculine advocate of large families who reminds us of the days of our mothers and grandmothers, let it be remembered that bearing and rearing six or eight children to-day is a far different matter from what it was in the generations just preceding. Physically and nervously, the woman of to-day is not fitted to bear children as frequently as was her mother and her mother’s mother. The high tension of modern life and the complicating of woman’s everyday existence have doubtless contributed to this result. And who of us can say, until a careful scientific investigation is made, how much the rapid development of tuberculosis and other grave diseases, even among the well-nurtured, may be due to the depletion of the physical capital of the unborn by the too prolific childbearing of preceding generations of mothers?[size=-2]  22[/size]
      The immorality of bringing into being a large family is a wrong-doing shared by three—the mother, the father and society. Upon all three falls the burden of guilt. It may be said for the mother and father that they are usually ignorant. What shall be said of society? What shall be said of us who permit outworn laws and customs to persist in piling up the appalling sum of public expense, misery and spiritual degradation? The indictment against the large unwanted family is written in human woe. Who in the light of intelligent understanding shall have the brazenness to stand up and defend it?[size=-2]  23[/size]
      One thing we know—the woman who has escaped the chains of too great reproductivity will never again wear them. The birth rate of the wealthy and upper classes will never appreciably rise. The woman of these classes is free of her most oppressive bonds. Being free, we have a right to expect much of her. We expect her to give still greater expression to her feminine spirit—we expect her to enrich the intellectual, artistic, moral and spiritual life of the world. We expect her to demolish old systems of morals, a degenerate prudery, Dark-Age religious concepts, laws that enslave women by denying them the knowledge of their bodies, and information as to contraceptives. These must go to the scrapheap of vicious, cast-off things. Hers is the power to send them there. Shall we look to her to strike the first blow which shall wrench her sisters from the grip of the dead hand of the past?[size=-2]  24[/size]


    Note 1.  Problems in Eugenics, London, 1913. [back]
    Note 2.  Interesting and perhaps surprising light is thrown upon the origin of the term “race ѕυιcιdє” by the following quotation from an article by Harold Bolce in the Cosmopolitan (New York) for May 1909:
      “‘The sole effect of prolificacy is to fill the cemeteries with tiny graves, sacrifices of the innocents to the Moloch of immoderate maternity.’ Thus insists Edward A. Ross, Professor of Sociology in the University of Wisconsin; and he protests against the ‘dwarfing of women and the cheapening of men’ as regards the restriction of the birth rate as a ‘movement at bottom salutary, and its evils minor, transient and curable.’ This is virile gospel, and particularly significant coming from the teacher who invented the term ‘race ѕυιcιdє,’ which many have erroneously attributed to Mr. Roosevelt.” [back]

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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
    « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2022, 09:46:22 PM »
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  • For someone of a secularist, materialist mindset, who does not have in mind, or take to heart, the ways of God, what she says would actually make a whole lot of sense.  

    But of course we know better.

    I really do hope that when she said the most merciful thing a family could do to unwanted children is to kill them, she was speaking metaphorically, or was referring to infant mortality.  So the story goes, she was basically opposed to abortion, not necessarily as being intrinsically evil, but that it was a failure of birth control, or failure to use birth control, and she lamented this.  

    I would like to see it become common knowledge, that she wanted to eliminate the Negro race.  That would give Planned Parenthood a bit of a public-relations problem.  Kind of hard to explain away.


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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
    « Reply #2 on: June 28, 2022, 11:00:58 PM »
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  • You hit the nail on the head Simple Man  The only thing I would add is that of course when you have an industrialized society where dad goes to a 9-5 job (even though some were working way more than 40 hours in factories) and works and is away from the home this was the first step in subverting the culture into what it is today. 

    In the times of Christendom, the homestead was also the job, and fathers and mothers were both at home raising animals, working a trade etc. and the whole family was involved.  During the beginning of industrialization it was designed to get the father out of the home so the mother was left by herself and this was the first split of the family unit.  Naturally as time went and Capitalism and a jacked currency system took hold then they got the mother out of the home as well and the kids were then raised by the state.  Fast forward to now and you have all the abominations in the public sector with broken families everywhere and hardly any families with a good patriarchal and matriarchal structure.  God's Great Reset is the only thing that will fix all this. 

    I could write a whole book on this but I'll stop there.

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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • I really do hope that when she said the most merciful thing a family could do to unwanted children is to kill them, she was speaking metaphorically, or was referring to infant mortality.  So the story goes, she was basically opposed to abortion, not necessarily as being intrinsically evil, but that it was a failure of birth control, or failure to use birth control, and she lamented this. 

    I would like to see it become common knowledge, that she wanted to eliminate the Negro race.  That would give Planned Parenthood a bit of a public-relations problem.  Kind of hard to explain away.
    She was most certainly not speaking metaphorically.

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    In 1921, she established the American Birth Control League, which would eventually become Planned Parenthood. It didn’t take long, but Sanger became a public voice at the forefront of a reproductive revolution. Not only a powerful driving force in the legalization of birth control, she advocated and spread eugenics in the spearheading of the birth control mentality—with the ultimate goal of eliminating unwanted people.
     
    Eliminate “Lesser” Humans
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    “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” ~ Letter from Margaret Sanger to Dr. C.J. Gamble, December 10th, 1939
    After reading all 5,631 pages of the Birth Control Review, HLI’s director of education and research, Brian Clowes, PhD, wrote:
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    Sanger associated with racists and αnтι-ѕємιтєs, people who despised everyone who was not a Nordic god or goddess, and those who demanded coercive eugenics programs to eliminate ‘lesser’ humans. The whole bunch, of course, participated in continuous vicious attacks on the Catholic Church….The malignant influence of Sanger and similar thinkers not only has ruined the West to the point that it is dying, but seems hell-bent on corrupting the rest of the world as well.”

    https://www.hli.org/resources/the-difference-one-racist-made-margaret-sangers-world/

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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • The Wickedness of Creating Large Families

    THE MOST serious evil of our times is that of encouraging the bringing into the world of large families. The most immoral practice of the day is breeding too many children. These statements may startle those who have never made a thorough investigation of the problem. They are, nevertheless, well considered, and the truth of them is abundantly borne out by an examination of facts and conditions which are part of everyday experience or observation.  1
      The immorality of large families lies not only in their injury to the members of those families but in their injury to society...

    Shock of all shocks, some sack*ola down-thumbed this, sans comment.  Why are such people on CI at all?
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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • She was most certainly not speaking metaphorically.
    After reading all 5,631 pages of the Birth Control Review, HLI’s director of education and research, Brian Clowes, PhD, wrote:

    https://www.hli.org/resources/the-difference-one-racist-made-margaret-sangers-world/


    Far be it for me to be a defender of Margaret Sanger, but from everything I see here, it sounds as though she wanted to "exterminate" those whom she found as undesirable, by never letting them be conceived in the first place.  Her big thing was birth control.  Whether she had a "Plan B" (no pun intended) to abort those who ended up getting conceived and didn't fit into her idea of the kind of people who should be born, I cannot say, I am just going by how she is characterized, by HLI and otherwise.  I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if she did have abortion in mind as a kind of backup "quality control" of the human race, even that wasn't her stock-in-trade.

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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • Far be it for me to be a defender of Margaret Sanger, but from everything I see here, it sounds as though she wanted to "exterminate" those whom she found as undesirable, by never letting them be conceived in the first place.  Her big thing was birth control.  Whether she had a "Plan B" (no pun intended) to abort those who ended up getting conceived and didn't fit into her idea of the kind of people who should be born, I cannot say, I am just going by how she is characterized, by HLI and otherwise.  I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if she did have abortion in mind as a kind of backup "quality control" of the human race, even that wasn't her stock-in-trade.
    Oh, no! Nothing so bland as never letting them be conceived in the first place. She was far more vicious than that.
    Does birth control (incidentally, it was she who coined the term) extend to forced sterilisation?

    As we demythologize Sanger, it is important to recognize how extreme her brand of eugenics was. Her much-republished “My Way to Peace” (1932) presents Sanger’s essential eugenics platform. It argues that to preserve racial hygiene, the government should enact three coercive measures. First, it should sterilize those with mental and physical disabilities, including “morons, mental defectives, epileptics.” Second, it should segregate on state-run concentration farms a much broader public of impoverished and criminal citizens, including paupers, prostitutes, drug addicts, illiterates and the unemployed. If the second group reformed its behavior and accepted sterilization, it could return to mainstream society. By Sanger’s own estimate, 15 million to 20 million citizens would live under this regime of segregation and sterilization. The third initiative would be obligatory birth-control training for mothers with serious diseases, such as heart disease, in an effort to persuade them to renounce any future childbearing. This program was not about “choice.”


    Sanger’s eugenics program made relatively modest gains during her lifetime. But she and her associates succeeded in one area: compulsory sterilization. More than 30 states passed laws authorizing agencies to sterilize forcibly those considered “unfit” for childbearing. The statutes targeted the mentally disabled and prisoners.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/07/28/margaret-sangers-extreme-brand-eugenics



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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • She was most certainly not speaking metaphorically.
    After reading all 5,631 pages of the Birth Control Review, HLI’s director of education and research, Brian Clowes, PhD, wrote:

    https://www.hli.org/resources/the-difference-one-racist-made-margaret-sangers-world/

    The reason Sanger wrote Dr Gamble re: not wanting the word to get out about exterminating blacks is because she WAS NOT OUT TO EXTERMINATE blacks... :popcorn:

    Population of blacks( & Arabs) in N America & Europe has increased about 10X in last 50 years-- doesn't sound like extermination to moi...

    Has anyone heard of the welfare state which gives people( mostly blacks) more $ for every child conceived?
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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • Has anyone heard of the welfare state which gives people( mostly blacks) more $ for every child conceived?
    Yep.  It's because they're all out of wedlock and no child support. 

    I knew a Hispanic family, 5 kids, dad made $300k per year, on medicaid, food stamps, and welfare, because mother and father were not married even though they lived together.

    I read a while back that some girls get out of the house by getting pregnant and having the government help them pay for everything.

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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • I would like to see it become common knowledge, that she wanted to eliminate the Negro race.  That would give Planned Parenthood a bit of a public-relations problem.  Kind of hard to explain away.
    Actually, history shows that this eventuated. Planned Parenthood disowned their founder on the grounds of her embarrassing reputation of being a "racist".

    I don't believe  her motivation was based on race but on what she saw as the betterment of humanity, in general. Poverty, sickness, stupidity, moronary, criminality, disability were to eliminated. And if that included the negro, well, so be it.
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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • Far be it for me to be a defender of Margaret Sanger, but from everything I see here, it sounds as though she wanted to "exterminate" those whom she found as undesirable, by never letting them be conceived in the first place.  Her big thing was birth control
    Actually, this is true.

    according to the Sanger Papers
    In Sanger’s opinion, abortion was an evil practice that would become obsolete once birth control was practiced and understood by women and families throughout the world. In 1932, Sanger wrote: “Although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious.” Although she strongly condemned the practice, she felt even more strongly that “it is  a woman’s duty and right to have for herself the right to say when she shall and shall not have children.”
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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
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  • Actually, history shows that this eventuated. Planned Parenthood disowned their founder on the grounds of her embarrassing reputation of being a "racist".

    I don't believe  her motivation was based on race but on what she saw as the betterment of humanity, in general. Poverty, sickness, stupidity, moronary, criminality, disability were to eliminated. And if that included the negro, well, so be it.
    If Sanger was after nigerians, she didn't do a very good job... :confused:
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  • If Sanger was after nigerians, she didn't do a very good job... :confused:
    And she failed at ridding us of stupidity, Stupid!
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    Re: Margaret Sanger: Immorality of Large Families
    « Reply #13 on: June 30, 2022, 07:54:40 AM »
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  • And she failed at ridding us of stupidity, Stupid!

    I was always taught: when name-calling starts, that person has lost the discussion.