Author Topic: Mans authority over Woman (Read 4477 times)

McFiggly · « **on:** September 12, 2015, 08:47:40 AM »

What is the nature and extent of man's authority over woman?

Where does man derive this authority? (I'm assuming it is God/Nature).

What are the differences between the authority a husband has over his wife and a "boyfriend" has over his "girlfriend"?

How should a man assert this authority properly and when should he assert it?

Is there a way of doing this without scandalizing modern people?

I want to know the difference between the Catholic relations between man and women and pagan woman domination on the one hand and modern emasculation on the other. What are the relevant biblical verses and are there any texts on this subject approved by the Church?

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2015, 07:43:43 PM »

I am not aware of any Catholic teaching that "man" in general has any authority over "woman" in general. A particular man may have authority of a particular woman but that authority comes from an authority of position rather than of sex.

The husband has authority over his wife, but this is an authority of position. I, as a husband, have no authority over other women to my knowledge. This authority is explained in multiple epistles of St. Paul and, I believe, one of the epistles of St. Peter. I think you can find this information in the Roman Catechism as well.

The very idea of "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" is anathema to Catholicism. Such relationships encourage divorce as they condition people to the idea that romantic relationships (for that is what the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship implies) can be thrown away and dissolved for any reason. The boyfriend has no authority over a girlfriend. In fact, both are merely placing themselves in grave occasion of sin.

The husband is to assert his authority over his wife with love. In fact, he is commanded to love his wife while the wife is commanded to merely submit to her husband. I'm not sure how this relationship can be a scandal to others, modern or otherwise.

In any other circuмstance, people have authority over others due to position. Frankly, there have been Catholic Queens who have ruled whole nations. So it is possible for a woman to have authority over men.

shin · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2015, 08:53:10 PM »

God created not only the family, but the entire world a civilization based on patriarchy.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2015, 11:06:57 PM »

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What is the nature and extent of man's authority over woman?

Where does man derive this authority? (I'm assuming it is God/Nature).

What are the differences between the authority a husband has over his wife and a "boyfriend" has over his "girlfriend"?

How should a man assert this authority properly and when should he assert it?

Is there a way of doing this without scandalizing modern people?

I want to know the difference between the Catholic relations between man and women and pagan woman domination on the one hand and modern emasculation on the other. What are the relevant biblical verses and are there any texts on this subject approved by the Church?
. Look around you. Everything in this world was created by a Man. We build civilizations. Feminism destroys them and They know it. Women are a gift To Man From God. But they are not our equals. Look also at any world math competition or science field. They are almost always represented by men. But we cannot do what they do either. We are creatures of logic while they are creatures of emotion. But the rest of your post is common sense. Scandalize? Who cares. Be a Man for heavens sake. Don't apologize for being one. Breezy your woman with live, care and respect and demand the same. Love, honor and protect

But it is God's design that all these men are born of and nurtured by woman. These men would simply not exist in the first place if it was not for mothers and wives. The Catholic religion, unlike the pagans or the protestants, make the proper distinctions between the sexes. Men and women both are created in the image and likeness of God and both genres have immortal souls to save. We are different creatures, of course, and most definitely have different roles to fulfill during this earthy exile, but we are equal in dignity in God 'eyes. These differences between the sexes should be celebrated, not hidden, but complimentary to one another. True Catholic manhood is chivalrous, and unlike brute paganism, reflects proper respect and honor due to women. Misogyny simply finds no place in true Catholic manhood.

It was Our Lady Mary, the Mother of God, who was chosen by the Almighty to embody and nurture His Son, the Savior of Humanity, and she is the one perfect creature who restores women to their proper place of dignity, after Eve's fall. Feminism no doubt, is a great diabolical distortion, one of the worst, if not the worst, evils of our hyper-egalitarian days brought by masons and Jєωs. “As women go, so goes society" this is why the Cultural Marxists encourage Feminism because, through corrupted women they can indirectly corrupt men and children too, and bring down the traditional family and the corruption and total moral degradation in the world today proves that the strategy has great effect.

Mc Fliggy, there is a book called "The Three Marks of Manhood: How to be Priest, Prophet and King of Your Family" by G.C. Dilsaver. In this book you may find the answer to your questions and how to restore a true Christian patriarchy, not pagan, or protestant.

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2015, 11:52:43 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

I am not aware of any Catholic teaching that "man" in general has any authority over "woman" in general. A particular man may have authority of a particular woman but that authority comes from an authority of position rather than of sex.

The husband has authority over his wife, but this is an authority of position. I, as a husband, have no authority over other women to my knowledge. This authority is explained in multiple epistles of St. Paul and, I believe, one of the epistles of St. Peter. I think you can find this information in the Roman Catechism as well.

The very idea of "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" is anathema to Catholicism. Such relationships encourage divorce as they condition people to the idea that romantic relationships (for that is what the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship implies) can be thrown away and dissolved for any reason. The boyfriend has no authority over a girlfriend. In fact, both are merely placing themselves in grave occasion of sin.

The husband is to assert his authority over his wife with love. In fact, he is commanded to love his wife while the wife is commanded to merely submit to her husband. I'm not sure how this relationship can be a scandal to others, modern or otherwise.

In any other circuмstance, people have authority over others due to position. Frankly, there have been Catholic Queens who have ruled whole nations. So it is possible for a woman to have authority over men.

Spoken like a true Catholic man, TKGS.

Graham · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:07:56 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

I am not aware of any Catholic teaching that "man" in general has any authority over "woman" in general. A particular man may have authority of a particular woman but that authority comes from an authority of position rather than of sex.

I would modify this in two ways.

Man in the universal sense, being the principle of woman, has authority over her. This natural priority does not give particular men direct authority over particular women unless, as you say, they have an authority of position. Here I note that husband and priest are but two positions of authority among many; one could think for instance of statesmen or policemen and other directing roles which in Catholic society could only be filled by men. On the other hand, the natural priority could directly manifest in exceptional, perhaps chaotic or life-threatening circuмstances, in which women in general should naturally defer to men of good will.

Second, in an organic society social relationships will reflect familial ones, since the society will be a kind of family writ large. The mores and manners that govern relationships between men and women, in general, will therefore be ritualized to evoke familial ones in which men of majority have the protectorship, and therefore a kind of authority. This is more of a ritual consideration dealing with manners, but it shouldn't be underestimated how these subtle evocations of profound realities serve to cultivate the emotions and ideas and loyalties of the people.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:47:57 PM »

I have to laugh when I read people extolling the greatness of society being built by men as evidence that men are to have natural authority over women. I think of all the great societies that were ruled by men: The Aztecs, the Incas, The Muhammadans, the Babylonians, every Pagan society of Europe, Africa, Asia... Even the one human society that existed immediately prior to the flood.

You get the picture. Every human society that has been headed by men has been absolutely depraved--until the society was ordered on the God-man, Jesus. When society is no longer governed by the moral truths of the Catholic Church, society literally goes to hell. The current Western society has declined in a sea of feminism, that is true. But that is certainly not why every non-Christian society is and always has been depraved.

As for taking cues from Lutherans and Calvinists, I'll let the heretics posting on this forum do that.

Graham · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2015, 09:47:35 PM »

"Absolutely depraved"? That's an odd choice of words.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2015, 02:40:06 PM »

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"Absolutely depraved"? That's an odd choice of words.

Do you have a better choice to describe the non-Christian societies that the earth has had over the centuries? I'm not sure why this choice is "odd".

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2015, 05:38:21 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

. The husband is to assert his authority over his wife with love. In fact, he is commanded to love his wife while the wife is commanded to merely submit to her husband. I'm not sure how this relationship can be a scandal to others, modern or otherwise.

To be even more specific, he is commanded to love his wife as Christ loves His church. I'm not sure how any wife would not submit to such a husband.

Graham · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2015, 05:22:52 AM »

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"Absolutely depraved"? That's an odd choice of words.

Do you have a better choice to describe the non-Christian societies that the earth has had over the centuries? I'm not sure why this choice is "odd".

I question whether there is a single phrase that can accurately describe the moral caliber of all pre-Christian and non-Christian societies throughout time, from savage tribes to Greeks and Romans, as if there were no distinctions to be made because none of these societies had any natural goodness whatsoever, since I reject the Calvinist heresy of total depravity which your chosen phrase so closely resembles.

TKGS · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2015, 06:14:47 AM »

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Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Graham
"Absolutely depraved"? That's an odd choice of words.

Do you have a better choice to describe the non-Christian societies that the earth has had over the centuries? I'm not sure why this choice is "odd".

I question whether there is a single phrase that can accurately describe the moral caliber of all pre-Christian and non-Christian societies throughout time, from savage tribes to Greeks and Romans, as if there were no distinctions to be made because none of these societies had any natural goodness whatsoever, since I reject the Calvinist heresy of total depravity which your chosen phrase so closely resembles.

Ok. I really don't know anything about Calvinism so I didn't know this phrase closely resembles Calvinism.

Graham · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2015, 06:37:45 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Graham
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Graham
"Absolutely depraved"? That's an odd choice of words.

Do you have a better choice to describe the non-Christian societies that the earth has had over the centuries? I'm not sure why this choice is "odd".

I question whether there is a single phrase that can accurately describe the moral caliber of all pre-Christian and non-Christian societies throughout time, from savage tribes to Greeks and Romans, as if there were no distinctions to be made because none of these societies had any natural goodness whatsoever, since I reject the Calvinist heresy of total depravity which your chosen phrase so closely resembles.

Ok. I really don't know anything about Calvinism so I didn't know this phrase closely resembles Calvinism.

Calvin used a specious reading of St. Augustine to argue that because of original sin, men are incapable of anything good without God's grace.

Pelly · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2015, 09:26:54 AM »

@Leila Beating women? It is Protestant to objectify women or to treat them as dumb animals.
Also, celibacy was instituted partially to keep priests in holiness.
The so-called "male chauvinism" is an inferior, beastly thing as God created us, humans as equal. Also, we should be equal in Christ...
but this cannot be possible in this sinful world where our rebellion against God has earned us some beastly attributes.
The role of women as mothers is not inferior and beastly, however.
The beastly "male chauvinism" was intended to be a punishment for taking the forbidden fruit... but there are remarkable women in the history of the Church.
But unity in Christ is simply not possible fully in this sinful world... and thus, we remain under curses.
And sometimes fleeing the punishment is worse. Like, Caesarian sections predispose children to a myriad of illnesses. Don't flame me as I do not oppose Caesarian sections.
And it seems like that we want to get back to Eden so badly but sometimes (or almost always) we do it without God, thus generating the opposite outcome. Feminism is the same oppression as the so-called "male chauvinism". And nudism just makes us more beastly.

Pelly · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2015, 09:34:55 AM »

Sorry for double post, but as Catholics, we must realize the will of God and the unity in Christ as much as possible.