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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Man Shot & Saw Hell - Shocking Must-See Video (mhfm)
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2024, 07:34:12 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 07, 2024, 07:23:26 AM
Well, the problem I have with most NDEs is that these guys return, almost always, as "Bible believers", and the people that follow this guy also think that by following his post-NDE example, they can avoid Hell.  There are other NDEs (visions of a paradise-like place), where the people even ask "Jesus" questions and at no point does this vision tell them they need to become Catholic, but just to be "kind" or "generous" and "nithe".  I've not known a single example where someone returns from an NDE to convert to the Catholic faith.  I've seen a few where people who were delinquents (divorced/remarried, etc.) go to a place of extreme happiness, and are never reuked for their adulterous situation or told to amend, but instead come back complacent that they can go to Heaven if they simply carry on the way they were.
They briefly mentioned that while they think his experience is legitimate as it agrees with Catholic teaching he still needs to sincerely and earnestly seek the full truth.

Many people who get spiritual visions let it make then prideful or they become presumptuous, Ascent of Mt Carmel is a great work for avoiding this.

I agree that most NDE are not from God.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Man Shot & Saw Hell - Shocking Must-See Video (mhfm)
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2024, 07:36:40 AM »
Quote from: Everlast22 on March 07, 2024, 07:27:57 AM
I'm surprised the Dimond brothers put out a video like this, but then again I'm not. lol

Well, I understand their point, and what the guy is saying corresponds to a lot of what various saints have said.

I just think there's a larger dynamic of deception involved with these NDEs.  If you try to imagine running across this guy's video (and weren't watching it with the Dimond Brother commentary), you might think that this guy now speaks with some kind of authority.  "If I want to avoid this place, I'll follow this guy, since he knows a lot, ..." (to his Prot religion).  As I said, I've never seen someone return from one of these NDEs and convert to the Catholic faith (much less the Traditional Catholic faith).  If you look at a lot of these (and I have), it very decidedly comes across as instilling a sense of religious indifferentism, and thus I see it as part of a larger campaign of diabolical deception.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Man Shot & Saw Hell - Shocking Must-See Video (mhfm)
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2024, 07:37:51 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 07, 2024, 07:34:12 AM
They briefly mentioned that while they think his experience is legitimate as it agrees with Catholic teaching he still needs to sincerely and earnestly seek the full truth.

Yes, THEY say that, of course, but just imagine if you're watching this on Youtube somewhere without any Catholic context.  I might go join this guy's Bible-believing religion, considering him to be some kind of sure guide to avoid the place he says he went to.
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Offline EWPJ

Re: Man Shot & Saw Hell - Shocking Must-See Video (mhfm)
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2024, 10:30:39 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 07, 2024, 12:24:30 AM
Definitely a must watch video.

One thing, I always thought that the demons would also be tortured in hell but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise.

Oh they are.  The demons always suffer and they burn with hatred which also causes them indescribable pains, many visions of the demons depict them as glowing embers and burnished bronze but God still allows them to torture humans.  They actually suffer more than the worst human could ever suffer.    
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Re: Man Shot & Saw Hell - Shocking Must-See Video (mhfm)
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2024, 10:48:45 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 07, 2024, 07:34:12 AM
They briefly mentioned that while they think his experience is legitimate as it agrees with Catholic teaching he still needs to sincerely and earnestly seek the full truth.

Many people who get spiritual visions let it make then prideful or they become presumptuous, Ascent of Mt Carmel is a great work for avoiding this.

I agree that most NDE are not from God.

Not from God, but God allows these to happen. Maybe these are permitted as a wake-up shock or ultimatum (understood that there's always hope remaining until a person's absolute final moments). The ones who react with prideful presumption have failed the test of the NDE, at least for now.
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