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Man says Catholic Church should allow IVF
« on: May 10, 2011, 04:44:36 PM »
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  • By Sean Savage

    According to the Roman Catholic Church, the only moral route to conceiving a child is through sɛҳuąƖ intercourse. As a Catholic, I find the church's position to be discriminatory against couples who have medical conditions that prevent them from conceiving in that manner.

    I never intended to challenge the church when my wife and I pursued in vitro fertilization in an effort to expand our family after a decade of unsuccessful infertility treatments. We loved our two boys and we'd always wanted a big family. After a successful IVF procedure in 2007 brought us our daughter in 2008, we tried again so that we could fulfill our commitment to give every embryo we created a chance at life.

    When a fertility center made a critical error by transferring another couple's embryos to my wife, we were thrust into an unusual pregnancy and eventually found ourselves at the center of an intense media storm. On September 24, 2009, the day Carolyn gave birth to a very loved baby boy, who was immediately turned over to his genetic parents, the Catholic Diocese of Toledo released a statement to The Toledo Blade condemning IVF as "morally unacceptable."

    Because we were the focus of the news, we felt as though the diocese was really condemning us.

    The statement hurt Carolyn and me tremendously. We had hoped for the church's support and prayer on one of the hardest days we've ever faced.

    Carolyn and I have always believed in our stewardship responsibilities to the church. I'd given thousands of hours over the years to coaching youth through my local parish, have raised funds for Catholic churches and schools and have given charitably to church causes. Carolyn had dedicated her career to teaching and working as a principal in Catholic schools.

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    Instead of support, the church branded us in a very public way with the apparently shameful letters IVF. Why couldn't the church recognize our journey for what it was - an affirmation of the sanctity of life? Their negative response motivated me to look closer at the issue.

    I believe there is an ethical path a couple can take when pursuing IVF and I ask the Roman Catholic Church to consider adopting a new doctrine that provides moral guidance for Catholic couples on how to do so.

    While I share many concerns with the Catholic Church about abuses within the science of IVF, I disagree with a number of points the church makes on the issue. The church spelled out its stance in Donum Vitae, a 1987 doctrine on biomedical issues released by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - an office then led by Cardinal Joseph Ratziner, who is now Pope Benedict XVI - and in 2008's Dignitas Personae, another influential church docuмent.

    The original doctrine states that "even if it (IVF) is considered in the context of 'de facto' existing sɛҳuąƖ relations, the generation of the human person is deprived of its proper perfection; namely, that of being the result and fruit of a conjugal act." Dignitas Personae echoes this position by stating "human procreation is a personal act of a husband and wife, which is not capable of substitution."

    I am personally opposed to the intentional destruction and discarding of unwanted embryos and understand why this is condemned by the church. But to state that a child born of IVF is less perfect than a child created through sɛҳuąƖ intercourse is absurd. Is the church truly claiming that our beautiful and innocent daughter, conceived through an IVF procedure, is somehow "less" because of how her physical life began? In her, Carolyn and I see God's precious creation.

    Of course, the creation of a child through a conjugal act is the preferred method because it is the most natural, least expensive and least stressful. But that shouldn't mean it should be the only acceptable route to conception.

    What about Catholic men and women who have legitimate medical conditions, like endometriosis, which Carolyn has and which caused infertility despite efforts at surgical intervention?

    Carolyn and I would have been happy to save thousands of dollars and a decade of emotional ups and downs by conceiving the "old-fashioned way," but that wasn't possible. We turn to medicine for a litany of medical maladies and impairments, but infertile Catholics are supposed to avoid treating a medical condition which prevents them from building or expanding their family?

    Yes, adoption is a wonderful option for the couples who decide it's right for them, but adoption should never be forced on anyone.

    The Donum Vitae doctrine also states that "in vitro fertilization is in itself illicit and in opposition to the dignity of procreation and of the conjugal union even when everything is done to avoid the death of the human embryo."

    The term "illicit" has such a grave connotation and to use it in this context seems quite out of place. Should a couple that seeks a child through IVF, and that does so with a commitment to allow every embryo a chance at life, be considered to be participating in an illicit activity?

    The most perplexing and pejorative language from Donum Vitae is that "marriage does not confer upon the spouses the right to have a child... the child has the right, as already mentioned to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents and has the right to be respected as a person from the moment of conception."

    Babies born of IVF are here because their parents loved, respected and longed for these children well before conception. These children could not get here through the conjugal love of their parents and it took a very deep love, respect, and commitment to pursue the medical treatment needed to conceive through IVF. There is no doubt in my mind that God is working through loving parents and ethical doctors to allow these children to come into this world.

    Now for the ironic in Donum Vitae: "Scientists are to be encouraged to continue their research with the aim of preventing causes of sterility and of being able to remedy them so that sterile couples will be able to procreate in full respect for their own personal dignity and that of the child to be born."

    So although there are solutions for sterile couples today, those should not be sought because they are outside of the conjugal act? If Carolyn and I were to wait until the scientific advances described in this statement before pursuing additional children, we would not have our daughter - or the opportunity to welcome two more children into this world this August.

    If science can advance to the point that all procreation can happen within the confines of the conjugal act, that would be incredible. But what do couples do while waiting the years and probable decades before these advances come to fruition?

    The challenge for the church is to see the beauty in the science and that there is a path within IVF that is worthy of God's grace and approval.

    The church's presence in this field could help limit abuses and disregard for human life through advocacy, education, and support. Perhaps it could provide counselors as couples pursue IVF and face many technical and nuanced decisions. And maybe the church could help couples navigate even more complex situations, like embryo adoption.

    Carolyn and I were victims of the worst IVF mistake on record. But we remain proponents of the science and understand the good that is done by God through ethical physicians in this industry. We value and support the sanctity of life, even if it's created with the help of IVF.
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    Man says Catholic Church should allow IVF
    « Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 04:47:23 PM »
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  • What was used by the lab get the DNA from the father?

    Was masturbation involved? That is intrinsically sinful.

    And yes, there have been infertile couples throughout history, and they accepted their lot as being God's will. You might learn a bit from them.

    Where do you draw the line -- a person can sin and be angry at God for ANY misfortune or suffering that comes their way. But should a person do that? Of course not.

    We can't go around exempting ourselves from The Rules so that we can have a "normal life". God doesn't will a Normal Life for everyone. That's the way it is, we should bless God's holy will and not try to run away from it.

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    Man says Catholic Church should allow IVF
    « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 05:29:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sean Savage
    I never intended to challenge the church when my wife and I pursued in vitro fertilization in an effort to expand our family after a decade of unsuccessful infertility treatments. We loved our two boys and we'd always wanted a big family.

    They already had children then??

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    While I share many concerns with the Catholic Church about abuses within the science of IVF,

    Abuses within IVF? IVF is an abuse in itself.

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    The Donum Vitae doctrine also states that "in vitro fertilization is in itself illicit and in opposition to the dignity of procreation and of the conjugal union even when everything is done to avoid the death of the human embryo."

    The term "illicit" has such a grave connotation and to use it in this context seems quite out of place.

    How about "immoral" then?

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    Should a couple that seeks a child through IVF, and that does so with a commitment to allow every embryo a chance at life, be considered to be participating in an illicit activity?

    Yes, and an immoral one. The end does not justify the means.

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    Babies born of IVF are here because their parents loved, respected and longed for these children well before conception.

    And because their parents wanted to have their own way, and were dissatisfied with their lot.

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    These children could not get here through the conjugal love of their parents and it took a very deep love, respect, and commitment to pursue the medical treatment needed to conceive through IVF.

    Some people are hellbent on getting what they want.

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    Now for the ironic in Donum Vitae: "Scientists are to be encouraged to continue their research with the aim of preventing causes of sterility and of being able to remedy them so that sterile couples will be able to procreate in full respect for their own personal dignity and that of the child to be born."

    So although there are solutions for sterile couples today, those should not be sought because they are outside of the conjugal act?

    That's right.

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    If Carolyn and I were to wait until the scientific advances described in this statement before pursuing additional children, we would not have our daughter - or the opportunity to welcome two more children into this world this August.

    And if some women hadn't been raped, and borne their children, those children wouldn't be here either. It doesn't make rape good. God brings good out of evil.

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    If science can advance to the point that all procreation can happen within the confines of the conjugal act, that would be incredible. But what do couples do while waiting the years and probable decades before these advances come to fruition?

    Resign themselves to God's will, perhaps?

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    Man says Catholic Church should allow IVF
    « Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 08:21:43 AM »
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  • This is a very sad situation.  Modern people believe they have a right to be biological parents.  Modern Catholics are not exempt from this attitude.  IVF is simply the flip-side of the abortion coin.  

    When I was a NO Catholic, the priest, who is about 80 or so, had his own personal campaign to save the "Snowflake Babies."  Snowflake Babies are the babies gathered from IVF procedures and are still frozen in dry ice.  These poor little souls are living in a material limbo.  In his opinion, since the Church hasn't "officially" taken a stand on the issue, it seems perfectly plausible for a couple to "adopt" these little babies, have them surgically implanted into the new mother's womb where they can grow and be born into the world.

    Every year for the last 5 years we were there this priest gave a sermon about the poor Snowflake Babies and that we should also support this cause and consider "adopting" them ourselves.

    He NEVER, NOT ONCE talked about the evil act of IVF itself.  He never condemned the practice or the desire for it.  He never talked about contraception either.

    There is a HUGE disconnect in the Modern Catholic church.  There is a void between sin and the consequences of those sins.  Suffering is some old fashioned idea that no longer has a place in our lives.  Suffering is what poor children in Africa do.  Suffering is what happens in war ravaged countries.  Suffering, to them, has no place in Catholic living.

    They don't believe that God would really, really want them to suffer infertility.  They really don't believe it.  They can't.  God is love.  God is not suffering.  

    This is what they are told every Sunday.  So when they use technology to relieve their suffering and the "church" condemns it, they are truly really hurt and confused.

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    Man says Catholic Church should allow IVF
    « Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 08:28:52 AM »
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  • I never thought about the fact that masturbation would be necessary for IVF, but I suppose it would.  As bad as that it, it pales next to the fact that embryos are often fertilized and then destroyed in this procedure.  People commit multiple abortions in an attempt to get the child they think they have some sort of right to.  

    Children are not a right.  The are people, created in God's image, as God wills and chooses.  Anyone who cannot have children naturally can adopt.  They can become foster parents.  Both adoptive and foster parents are desperately needed.  Thinking the the world can't get by unless you reproduce your won genes is just arrogant.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir