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Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2021, 03:35:14 PM »
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  • please don't insinuate pornography and sɛҳuąƖ deviancy where it doesn't belong.
    Porn plays a huge rule here.
    These adult children are not marrying real women because they think porn can satisfy their desire to procreate.
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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #16 on: December 01, 2021, 03:38:36 PM »
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  • it comes across as a little uncomfortable, to think of a single man of career age living at home, sleeping in his childhood bedroom, and so on, but there is nothing patently "wrong" with it, and it is certainly not sinful.
    It's not sinful in itself, but it doesn't have the protections of monastic life.
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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #17 on: December 01, 2021, 05:07:12 PM »
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  • I didn't watch the video, but I can tell you that here in Brazil it is the same. And it is not just because of the Italian immigrants.

    I believe that the same phenomenon happens in all of South America, Spain and Portugal. It is a cultural thing.

    I would be curious to know how things were in Germany, in France or in Poland before the 1960s revolution.

    Turning 18 and living alone sounds to me like something related to Americanism.

    In the wake of World War II, I have to think it would have been very rare for a bachelor to have his own home or apartment in Germany, France, or Poland.  Thanks to the communists, housing was in insanely short supply in Poland.  The Khrushchev-era concrete apartment blocks were the default housing for a high percentage of Poles, and I've spent many a night in these blocks.  High ceilings, sturdily built, hideously ugly, better than being homeless, but terribly cramped living quarters.  And I have to say, they are almost without fail, immaculately clean and neat.  You could eat off the floors.

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #18 on: December 01, 2021, 08:23:18 PM »
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  • I think you misunderstand my post. I was referring to the OP calling mothers what I thought to be rather a disrespectful term for a mother. Like as if one of your daughters would refer to you as “the old man”.

    I am actually recommending the video. Very typical, very Italian and very thought provoking.
    Ok, you got my interest, I watched it. It is typical Italian, the socialogist Franco explains it perfectly, it is about family and a Catholic culture. Franco speaks beautifully and proudly about his culture and their history. The same is typical of Spain.

    The examples they gave are all good mothers. The world has changed, marriageable women that are fit to be mothers or even want to be mothers are not very common. There is no point in marrying the typical women of today, basically free prostitutes, if what they have to offer can be had easily from them without marriage. It is the same with the men. The mammoni are themselves living licentious lives too, because of it, they will never find a girl like momma. Both the mammoni and the women all around them are the same, free prostitutes. Few single people today want to raise the family that God sends them. Few even know that child bearing and raising is the purpose of marriage. The 60 minutes interviewer does not have a clue what it is all about.

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #19 on: December 01, 2021, 08:30:26 PM »
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  • It's not sinful in itself, but it doesn't have the protections of monastic life.
    No, but it does have a vigilant mother who is going to be able to figure out whether her son is living virtuously or not.  You'd then have to ask whether it is less prudent to give your abbot reason to question you, or to give your mother reason to question you.


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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #20 on: December 01, 2021, 08:33:14 PM »
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  • Porn plays a huge rule here.
    These adult children are not marrying real women because they think porn can satisfy their desire to procreate.
    No, they are actually "procreating" with real women, it is quite easy if one lives in the world like they do, the women throw themselves at men with money and/or looks.
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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #21 on: December 01, 2021, 08:36:05 PM »
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  • These mammoni aren't marrying because they aren't detaching from their mothers. What potential wife thinks a mommy's boy would make a manly husband?
    Not to suggest that this is the kind of wife a man would (or should) want, but it's entirely possible that some women might see such a man as more easily dominated, and that stripe of woman who wants to be the "alpha dog" in the marriage might prefer a pliant, weak-willed, pusillanimous "mama's boy".

    I have known women who take great pride and satisfaction in perceiving themselves as the "boss" in their marriage, controlling the finances, controlling the children's upbringing, and keeping their husbands on a short leash and giving him a minimal "allowance".  No thank you.  A man is better off single, than with a woman like that.

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #22 on: December 01, 2021, 11:55:45 PM »
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  • It all depends upon why the older single man (or woman) lives at home.  Especially since the disaster that is the plandemic, there is the problem of having enough money to live. I personally know of three situations where single adult or near adult children who’d normally be either moved out on their own, actively seeking to marry and establish their own home, or seeking a suitable spouse, are instead, staying home and working to keep their parents, grandparents, and siblings from homelessness or dependent upon the government. A nephew and a niece quit high school, for now, at least, to keep their handicapped mother and three elementary school-aged siblings in their apartment and food on the table.  “Dad” abandoned the family in 2014, and he never really supported them monetarily or otherwise.  He owes over 100K in child support, if he anyone can locate him.  Another nephew has put college on hold under similar circuмstances.  He can’t attend in person without the jabs, and he can’t graduate without certain in person classes and an internship.  The way things are looking, he will be unable to make a career in the medical field, ever.  His younger brother is autistic and his divorced mother has been unable to find employment due to health and age issues.  She is a brittle diabetic, age 63.  
    The idea that a man must have a good job to support a wife and growing family, a house, a vehicle, no debt before he can marry, for the present time, is completely unrealistic for the majority of Catholics I know.  If marriage and childbearing are to continue then standards (set by a priest I know), will need to be lowered.  Women may have to move in with extended family and/or work for income at least until the birth of a baby is near.  It may come down to having to share a large rental with a sibling’s or friend’s family—-or forgo marriage and children.  
    Just be careful before judging a single adult living with Mom or Dad.  The world is a very different place than it was only two decades ago.  Families, even those of Traditional Catholics, are splintered than ever.  Many Tradcats are one-of-a-kind; not raised in tradition, and not having a social support network to fall back upon.  Many don’t have a regular or reliable source of Mass and Sacraments.  Some young adults have tried to follow the long established path, Catholic school/homeschool, college or post high school training, seeking one’s state of life—religious or marriage, and found the path obliterated.  Seminaries gone modernist or closed, careers closed due to near proximity to sin or a lifetime of debt, potential spouses few and far between, or none at all.  Not knowing what to do or where to go, people in their 30s and 40s, even older, end up back “home.”  


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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #23 on: December 02, 2021, 02:52:59 AM »
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  • It all depends upon why the older single man (or woman) lives at home.  Especially since the disaster that is the plandemic, there is the problem of having enough money to live. I personally know of three situations where single adult or near adult children who’d normally be either moved out on their own, actively seeking to marry and establish their own home, or seeking a suitable spouse, are instead, staying home and working to keep their parents, grandparents, and siblings from homelessness or dependent upon the government. .....

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    Just be careful before judging a single adult living with Mom or Dad.  The world is a very different place than it was only two decades ago.  
    Even before the plannedemic Italy was in a bad way, especially for the elderly, and for those seeking work.

    In while walking in Lendinara, we met an elderly lady who was on her way to the Franciscan Friars in order to get assistance so she could eat. She was a well dressed, quietly spoken Catholic widow whose husband had owned and worked one of the home-based shoe factories that were quite common in Northern Italy. She was one of the very many new poor. 

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #24 on: December 02, 2021, 10:01:21 AM »
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  • In Italy, it is common for young people---men and women---to live at home up to their 30s or 40s because there is little choice.  These mammoni---I think are not normal and in the video the man even says it is something even Italians look down on.  The video is not recent either.

    It is very difficult to get a job in Italy unless one knows someone in a company to get you in.  The men in the video had good jobs and even their own house. Why aren't they living there?  Again, not normal.  In Italy, many jobs are by contract and sometimes one is not even paid at all.  How can young people afford rent, food, etc. if they aren't even getting paid?  Of course, no banks would give them a loan either.

    For example, one can get a 6 month contract but they might not even pay you those first 6 months.  After 6 months, the job is over.  It might be renewed for another 6 months or not.  Then, one looks for another contract.  The pay if low, if they do pay.  By some loop-hole, one can work for a company for ten years by having a 6 month contract renewed several times.  What does a temporary contract mean? One is basically a temp--no pension, no holidays, no sick days or overtime.  You probably have to work 12 hours a day every day.  The 6 month contract is meant to be for a ''special project'' but is easily abused.  Some workers even sue to make the employer give them a regular contract like full-time position with benefits but it's up to a judge.

    Young people also attend university longer either they do a 5 year degree or many can take as long as 10 years to finish.

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    A mamma's boy is effeminate.
    « Reply #25 on: December 03, 2021, 09:20:30 PM »
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  • One doesn't need to be a mommy's boy to love his mother properly.
    A mamma's boy is a son inordinately attached to his mother, often caused by an unnatural ordering of the family where the father is not the head (or even present) but the virago mother rules the house. This unnatural ordering leads to effeminacy in the son, and no good potential wife is attracted to an effeminate man.
    As St. Thomas said addressing the proper order of charity (II-II q. 26 a. 10 co.): "Strictly speaking, however, the father should be loved more than the mother."
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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #26 on: December 03, 2021, 09:44:20 PM »
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  • In Italy, it is common for young people---men and women---to live at home up to their 30s or 40s because there is little choice.  These mammoni---I think are not normal and in the video the man even says it is something even Italians look down on.  The video is not recent either.

    It is very difficult to get a job in Italy unless one knows someone in a company to get you in.  The men in the video had good jobs and even their own house. Why aren't they living there?  Again, not normal.  In Italy, many jobs are by contract and sometimes one is not even paid at all.  How can young people afford rent, food, etc. if they aren't even getting paid?  Of course, no banks would give them a loan either.

    For example, one can get a 6 month contract but they might not even pay you those first 6 months.  After 6 months, the job is over.  It might be renewed for another 6 months or not.  Then, one looks for another contract.  The pay if low, if they do pay.  By some loop-hole, one can work for a company for ten years by having a 6 month contract renewed several times.  What does a temporary contract mean? One is basically a temp--no pension, no holidays, no sick days or overtime.  You probably have to work 12 hours a day every day.  The 6 month contract is meant to be for a ''special project'' but is easily abused.  Some workers even sue to make the employer give them a regular contract like full-time position with benefits but it's up to a judge.

    Young people also attend university longer either they do a 5 year degree or many can take as long as 10 years to finish.

    Why in the world would anyone work and not know whether they are going to get paid or not?

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #27 on: December 03, 2021, 10:13:53 PM »
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  • One doesn't need to be a mommy's boy to love his mother properly.
    A mamma's boy is a son inordinately attached to his mother, often caused by an unnatural ordering of the family where the father is not the head (or even present) but the virago mother rules the house. This unnatural ordering leads to effeminacy in the son, and no good potential wife is attracted to an effeminate man.
    Would you like to know what happened to a son who was an only child born to parents who divorced when that child was only 18 months old and who had a very poor religious upbringing (and who also had no children his own age in his own neighborhood to relate to) but had a mother who was the only person in the entire world who truly loved him and he her? That son was not effeminate. That son was me and I am not ashamed in the least to say I am a mama's boy.

    By necessity, I became the biggest mama's boy you've ever seen and, in a family and neighborhood with no one his own age to relate to and, thus, very awkward in school, tried my hardest to be happy and content and do the best I could. I was never a discipline problem in school, got good grades, and always stood up for myself (although that was easy being part Calabrese). I only had my mother and what I thought was faith in the "true Church". Then I found out that my so-called "true church" was apparently "counterfeit Catholicism" and, almost broken and suffering a crisis of faith, finally found the truth and the faith in Traditional Catholicism.

    I know I will never fit the Traditional Catholic profile (e.g. coming from a large, un-divided nuclear family and growing up with a strong faith) but I joined here anyway trying to connect with some people whom I think share what I believe to be the truth.

    You're right that one doesn't need to be a mama's boy to love his mother properly, but necessity often creates what some may call (as in my situation) "being inordinately attached to his mother." And this doesn't necessarily lead to effeminacy in the son or the impossibility to attract a good potential wife.

    I hope people understand.

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #28 on: December 03, 2021, 10:43:13 PM »
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  • Would you like to know what happened to a son who was an only child born to parents who divorced when that child was only 18 months old and who had a very poor religious upbringing (and who also had no children his own age in his own neighborhood to relate to) but had a mother who was the only person in the entire world who truly loved him and he her? That son was not effeminate. That son was me and I am not ashamed in the least to say I am a mama's boy.

    By necessity, I became the biggest mama's boy you've ever seen and, in a family and neighborhood with no one his own age to relate to and, thus, very awkward in school, tried my hardest to be happy and content and do the best I could. I was never a discipline problem in school, got good grades, and always stood up for myself (although that was easy being part Calabrese). I only had my mother and what I thought was faith in the "true Church". Then I found out that my so-called "true church" was apparently "counterfeit Catholicism" and, almost broken and suffering a crisis of faith, finally found the truth and the faith in Traditional Catholicism.

    I know I will never fit the Traditional Catholic profile (e.g. coming from a large, un-divided nuclear family and growing up with a strong faith) but I joined here anyway trying to connect with some people whom I think share what I believe to be the truth.

    You're right that one doesn't need to be a mama's boy to love his mother properly, but necessity often creates what some may call (as in my situation) "being inordinately attached to his mother." And this doesn't necessarily lead to effeminacy in the son or the impossibility to attract a good potential wife.

    I hope people understand.

    I don't. I understand, but I don't agree. Geremia is right.

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    Re: Mammoni: The Mama's Boys of Italy
    « Reply #29 on: December 03, 2021, 10:48:37 PM »
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  • I don't. I understand, but I don't agree. Geremia is right.
    Thanks for understanding and not being insulting. We can always disagree I just wanted to post my story here (as I am part ethnically Italian) and so this thread and posted comments interested me.