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Offline Geremia

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Re: Male - Female Misunderstandings
« Reply #90 on: September 15, 2017, 03:32:38 PM »
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  • As St. Thomas Aquinas says on 1 Tim. 2:11-12:
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    …[St. Paul] mentions three things that are suitable to women, namely, silence, discipline and subjection. These three things proceed from one source, namely, their lack [defectu or "defect"] of reason. So he imposes silence on them, when he says: let the woman learn in silence: if any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man (Jas 3:2); let women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the Lord says (1 Cor 14:34). For the words of a woman are inflammatory: her conversation burns as fire (Sir 9:11).
    The OP's example shows "the words of a woman are [indeed] inflammatory".

    Here is a story from St. Vincent Ferrer: Angel of the Judgment illustrating that wives should remain silent:
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    One day a woman came to him complaining bitterly of the bad treatment she had to endure from her husband. “Teach me, my good Father,” said she, “an efficacious method of preserving peace at home, in order that my husband may cease to ill-use me both by word and deed.” The Saint allowed her uninterrupted speech, well knowing the cause of the evil for which she sought a remedy; it was only her talkativeness and petulance; she irritated her husband by her chattering and provoking answers. Then the Saint quietly said to her: “If you wish to put an end to these disagreeable scenes, go to the Brother Porter of our convent and bid him give you a jug of water from the well which is in the middle of the cloister. When your husband returns home, take at once a mouthful of this water without swallowing it and retain it for a considerable time in your mouth. If you do this, I assure you that your husband will no more be angry with you and will become as meek as a lamb.” The woman immediately hastened to execute the Saint’s advice, seeing that the remedy was by no means a difficult one. When the husband returned home and began to show symptoms of irritation, she ran to the jug and filled her mouth with water, which she retained as long as she was able, the result being that, meeting with no reply, the husband himself was silent. He wondered at this, but said nothing, and thanked God for having changed the heart and closed the mouth from which proceeded all their disputes. Having put this advice into practice many times, and always with the same success, the woman returned to St. Vincent overflowing with thanks to him for having taught her so excellent a remedy. Then the Saint, speaking to her with sweetness, plainly told her: “The remedy which I have taught you, my daughter, is not the water from the well, as you suppose, but silence. By holding your tongue, you have preserved peace between yourself and your husband. He had scarcely entered the house, when you irritated him by your troublesome questions; it was your own fault if this anger increased; your provoking rejoinders were the cause of it. Be silent in the future, and you will always live in peace with your husband.” Hence the common proverb in Valencia when a woman complained of her husband; she was answered: “Fill your mouth with water, and what St. Vincent said will come to pass.”
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    Re: Male - Female Misunderstandings
    « Reply #91 on: September 15, 2017, 03:42:31 PM »
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  • Were women typically teaching in universities in the past?
    No. Not even married men could in the original medieval universities.
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    Re: Male - Female Misunderstandings
    « Reply #92 on: September 15, 2017, 03:59:27 PM »
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  • I see we're browsing the archives.  I thought this was a new topic and read the OP.  It wasn't until I noticed a reply from spouse of Jesus, who disappeared from the forum sometime ago (I hope she is all right; if memory serves me, she was in Iran) that I realized the date.  I should have realized it was old when I saw, Telesphorus, but the name didn't strike me.

    The initial "misunderstanding" in the article was quite common in our home for the first 15 years of our marriage.  Fortunately, my wife finally learned that if she really wants something she should not give me hints because I won't pick up on the hints.  Even then, she knows that her every desire is not always possible, though more has become possible over the past few years as we have become more financially secure.