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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2025, 01:35:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: jen51 on March 29, 2025, 11:25:53 PM
    Yes.

    As a woman who doesn’t do all the frills, it can be frustrating and tempting to compare oneself to the “deceptive beauty” of other women. It’s common practice for women to have a face full of makeup, hair colored and held in place with hair spray, strongly scented perfume, painted nails, a closet full of shiny new clothes, etc.  Next to all of that I look very homely when in fact I am quite average if compared to women in their natural state.

    I suppose it is a good spiritual practice in humility when I start to feel insecure when out in public at times.

    Having said all that, I still don’t think it’s a sin to wear makeup in the right circuмstances. I know not everyone is a fan of Fr. Ripperger here, but he gave a sermon that made a lot of sense to me on the use of makeup. If I have time I’ll look it up later.
    I personally don't like the things I bolded, light make up is ok but I do not like fake hair colour, fake nails or heavy makeup. Not sure why some men like that sort of 'look'. Just isn't me.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #31 on: March 30, 2025, 01:38:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Predestination2 on March 29, 2025, 11:44:06 PM
    Doctors orders mean nothing. Don’t wear cancerscreen
    This is quite foolish. Modern sunscreens pose extremely little to no risk of causing cancer. Plus sun damage is one of the biggest factor to ageing. If her doctor told her to wear sunscreen, perhaps she has a medical condition? 

    Prudence here is required, it's not like the doctor told her to take addictive drugs... (opioids etc)
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #32 on: March 30, 2025, 01:49:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 30, 2025, 01:38:08 AM
    This is quite foolish. Modern sunscreens pose extremely little to no risk of causing cancer. Plus sun damage is one of the biggest factor to ageing. If her doctor told her to wear sunscreen, perhaps she has a medical condition?

    Prudence here is required, it's not like the doctor told her to take addictive drugs... (opioids etc)
    Common sense is required. Sunscreen was invented in 1932. Your telling me that for 6000 years the sun, the literal sun, that God made has caused so much problems as they want us to believe today. To think the sun is that powerful is tantamount to sun deification. Her doctor is just regurgitating the stuff that he was taught, thing is that he was taught by a world that wants a population of 500,000,000. She should not be depriving herself of vitamin d. I bet teh doctor wants her sto stay in teh shade too. Doctors get a raise for handing out statins, I have no reason to think this is t teh same thing occurring. Statins to kill cholesterol (an essential thing which our bodies need, high cholesterol doesn’t cause problems as has been proven multiple times). Sunscreen to kill vitamin d.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #33 on: March 30, 2025, 01:51:25 AM »
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    • This what you guys “slopping” on your bodies? 

    zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone, homosalate, octinoxate, octisalate, octocrylene, and oxybenzone


    From the same people who wrote the Georgia Guidestones? No thank you!
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #34 on: March 30, 2025, 02:14:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Predestination2 on March 30, 2025, 01:49:36 AM
    Common sense is required. Sunscreen was invented in 1932. Your telling me that for 6000 years the sun, the literal sun, that God made has caused so much problems as they want us to believe today. To think the sun is that powerful is tantamount to sun deification. Her doctor is just regurgitating the stuff that he was taught, thing is that he was taught by a world that wants a population of 500,000,000. She should not be depriving herself of vitamin d. I bet teh doctor wants her sto stay in teh shade too. Doctors get a raise for handing out statins, I have no reason to think this is t teh same thing occurring. Statins to kill cholesterol (an essential thing which our bodies need, high cholesterol doesn’t cause problems as has been proven multiple times). Sunscreen to kill vitamin d.
    Yes the sun is very damaging to your skin. That's why in the past having white skin was considered high class because they didn't have to work outside in the sun all day...

    Certain Asian peoples cover themselves dramatically when out, because they do not want any marks or blemishes or aging. If you've ever seen a tradie you would know see how much they've aged, sun damage literally makes you look like a prune in the long term.

    Same thing with women and their tanning, makes them age much faster. 
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #35 on: March 30, 2025, 02:31:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 30, 2025, 02:14:29 AM
    Yes the sun is very damaging to your skin. That's why in the past having white skin was considered high class because they didn't have to work outside in the sun all day...

    Certain Asian peoples cover themselves dramatically when out, because they do not want any marks or blemishes or aging. If you've ever seen a tradie you would know see how much they've aged, sun damage literally makes you look like a prune in the long term.

    Same thing with women and their tanning, makes them age much faster.
    I’d rather look old then slap a bunch of zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone, homosalate, octinoxate, octisalate, octocrylene, and oxybenzone on my body 
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #36 on: March 30, 2025, 02:56:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Predestination2 on March 30, 2025, 02:31:41 AM
    I’d rather look old then slap a bunch of zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone, homosalate, octinoxate, octisalate, octocrylene, and oxybenzone on my body
    meme
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #37 on: March 30, 2025, 07:16:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 29, 2025, 10:21:17 PM
    I just think they have to be senile at the same time to actually believe that.

    Many of them are probably desperately hoping.

    And some women are raised to think that heavy makeup is attractive.  They don't know any better, and they carry that through life.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #38 on: March 30, 2025, 07:19:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Predestination2 on March 30, 2025, 01:49:36 AM
    Common sense is required. Sunscreen was invented in 1932. Your telling me that for 6000 years the sun, the literal sun, that God made has caused so much problems as they want us to believe today. To think the sun is that powerful is tantamount to sun deification. Her doctor is just regurgitating the stuff that he was taught, thing is that he was taught by a world that wants a population of 500,000,000. She should not be depriving herself of vitamin d. I bet teh doctor wants her sto stay in teh shade too. Doctors get a raise for handing out statins, I have no reason to think this is t teh same thing occurring. Statins to kill cholesterol (an essential thing which our bodies need, high cholesterol doesn’t cause problems as has been proven multiple times). Sunscreen to kill vitamin d.

    People also died of other things long before skin cancer could metastasize and kill them.  Now we have all sorts of medical and surgical means to save lives that, in earlier times, would have ended much earlier.  They didn't live long enough to die of various cancers.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #39 on: March 30, 2025, 08:11:48 AM »
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    • The personal aesthetic of the average White man and woman today is horrible.
    For men it seems to be a uniform for all occasions consisting of the mandatory
    baseball cap, unkempt beard, jacket signifying their allegiance to some professional
    sportsball team.
    For women it's tattoos(seemingly more than on men!), yoga pants(never a dress), nose piercings,
    sneakers, miscellaneous athleisure.
    It doesn't matter if people are shopping, at a decent restaurant, a family gathering, everything
    is low to minimal effort in terms of personal appearance.
    In fact, I even see people at the grocery store wearing pajamas...yes PAJAMAS!

    We need MORE femininity, more dresses less pants, more elegance, more class, more charm, more
    tasteful make up.
    Fewer slobs, fewer heifers.
    How you look and present yourself to the world reflects a certain degree of internal discipline, taste,
    and yes, even virtue.

    In short I want to see more Audrey Hepburns and fewer Kardashians.
      
    Das Ewig-Weibliche zieht uns hinan
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    Offline Aleksandar

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #40 on: March 30, 2025, 10:45:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 29, 2025, 04:31:03 PM
    Evidently you don't comprehend the argument.  I spent a lot of time only it only for it to be distorted here.  I never said you or anyone holds that we shouldn't groom ourselves.  So the point is the opposite, that a certain relatively modest amount of makeup could be in the same category as grooming.  This notion that you have to accept nature as-is cannot without absurdity be taken as some ABSOLUTE principle, otherwise you would have to forego most grooming.  So it it's not an absolute principle, what are the boundaries.  You try to absurdly and Puritanically asssert that all makeup, regardless of the amount used and the motive for using it is somehow intrinsically evil.  It's not.  So one must lay down the distinctions.
    Makeup can not be put into the same category as grooming. Any amount of makeup is wrong because it is all put on with a different intent and effect of grooming. Grooming isn’t deceitful.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #41 on: March 30, 2025, 10:54:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 29, 2025, 04:38:27 PM
    Again with the sanctimonious absolutism "never abandon the truth", begging the question that you're not overstating your position as some kind of absolute.

    Apart from quotations from the Church Fathers that are, IMO, taken out of context, please show where the Church or some Catholic theologian held makeup to be intrinsically evil.  Find a treatment of it in Jone or one of the availble theologians and make some arguments.

    Now, it's well known that some of the Fathers later had some of their opinions moderated by the Magisterium.  So, for instance, most Church Fathers held that marital relations were sinful for only the secondary ends of marriage, i.e. once a woman was past child-bearing years or if she was infertile, etc.  But that was trumped by the teaching of Pope Pius XI in Casti Conubii.

    You can argue all you want that someone SHOULD accept the suffering of being considered homely by others without attempting to remedy it, but that's in a completely different universe than saying there's an obligation.  One SHOULD embrace a life of virginity, but then is there an absolute obligation to do so?

    So based on this pseudo-absolute principle, if somone is born with a deformity like a cleft lip, they commit some kind of sin and offend God if they get surgery to repair the deformity?  You're just spouting nosense, man.

    St. Rose of Lima deliberately disfigured herself lest she be a temptation to others, but NO Catholic teacher holds that a woman who's beautiful is REQUIRED to take such action.

    Similarly, please find a Catholic moral theologian, or, better, an act of the Catholic Magisterium that condemns makeup as intrinsically evil and inherently sinful, regardless of the motivation, the formal intention, and the amount used.  Indeed, a woman who makes herself up to look like a hooker would be sinning ... although I've seen some elderly women look like The Joker character from Batman, so thick did they lay it on, I mean women in their 90s ... and I have chosen not to inquire about what they were thinking there.
    My positions is an absolute and it’s a correct absolute.

    Cleft lips are harmful to the person experiencing them, natural beauty isn’t harmful. Women can be beautiful without makeup. Makeup doesn’t heal you in any way.

     Beautification doesn’t justify deceit and abandonment from your god given beauty.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #42 on: March 30, 2025, 11:13:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Aleksandar on March 30, 2025, 10:54:06 AM
    My positions is an absolute and it’s a correct absolute.

    Sure, bud ... just because you keep saying so.  i continue to await any citation from the Magisterium or a Catholic moral theologian backing up your "position".

    Behold the Trad-Pharisee and Trad-Puritan, a disturbing phenomenon among Trads turning various dicta into absolutes because their uneducated, unqualified, and feeble minds are incapable of making even the slightest distinction.

    I'd rather hang out with a non-Pharisaical Motarian than people like this.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #43 on: March 30, 2025, 11:14:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Aleksandar on March 30, 2025, 10:45:58 AM
    Makeup can not be put into the same category as grooming. Any amount of makeup is wrong because it is all put on with a different intent and effect of grooming. Grooming isn’t deceitful.

    Idiotic.  I've already explained and you are unable to make a refutation but just reassert your gratuitous statement.

    Get lost, you baboon.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #44 on: March 30, 2025, 11:15:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 30, 2025, 01:25:40 AM
    There is a big difference between; make up vs 'no make up' make up vs heavy makeup

    It's common with secular girls to wear heavy makeup that significantly altars their appearance, I have even seen a meme of this, and you can find videos online of women doing this.

    Here are some examples (I recommend you mute the video due to worldly music)

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ou5d-IGFxcg

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V7u3fsoDbFo

    The second is more extreme but I think you get the idea.

    Likewise a bit of light makeup can enhance natural features. If someone is young and looking for a spouse, why is it a surprise that they may want to attract someones' attention?

    St Thomas even states that a man begins to love when he takes pleasure in a woman's beauty. Sure it doesn't have to be physical beauty, but we live in reality, and in reality people judge by what they see (the eye/sight is the primary sense), whether it be one's appearance or behaviour, men in particular are 'moved' by a woman's looks.
    Makeup always alters your appearance, if you painted your wall you wouldn’t say you’re “enhancing” the wall, you would say you’re painting the wall to alter the appearance.

    Makeup is face paint, there is no justification for it.
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