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Offline Clare67

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Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2025, 04:35:34 PM »
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  • Why is it your duty to please the senses of others?

    If they can not see past your rosacea you shouldn't want to be around them and you shouldn't feel bad for them, we are all burdened to see things so we don't want to so why do you have to lie to prevent that? To be burdened by seeing the truth of someone's appearance is far better than to be lied to by the "charity" of make up.

    The truth hurts and that's okay, it is our cross to bear, never abandon the truth. You should appear how you are because that is all that you are and accept the suffering which you might impose on others because to apply make up is to lie about your appearance.

    I don't know how old you are, but I would bet you're fairly young just from reading your posts.  I'm probably old enough to be your grandmother.  I have a priest/spiritual director.  I don't need you to fill that role.  

    And just FYI, an "old school" SSPX priest (one many on this forum would know) actually said it is an act of charity for some women to wear makeup.  That's where I got it.   

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #16 on: March 29, 2025, 04:38:27 PM »
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  • The truth hurts and that's okay, it is our cross to bear, never abandon the truth. You should appear how you are because that is all that you are and accept the suffering which you might impose on others because to apply make up is to lie about your appearance.

    Again with the sanctimonious absolutism "never abandon the truth", begging the question that you're not overstating your position as some kind of absolute.

    Apart from quotations from the Church Fathers that are, IMO, taken out of context, please show where the Church or some Catholic theologian held makeup to be intrinsically evil.  Find a treatment of it in Jone or one of the availble theologians and make some arguments.

    Now, it's well known that some of the Fathers later had some of their opinions moderated by the Magisterium.  So, for instance, most Church Fathers held that marital relations were sinful for only the secondary ends of marriage, i.e. once a woman was past child-bearing years or if she was infertile, etc.  But that was trumped by the teaching of Pope Pius XI in Casti Conubii.

    You can argue all you want that someone SHOULD accept the suffering of being considered homely by others without attempting to remedy it, but that's in a completely different universe than saying there's an obligation.  One SHOULD embrace a life of virginity, but then is there an absolute obligation to do so?

    So based on this pseudo-absolute principle, if somone is born with a deformity like a cleft lip, they commit some kind of sin and offend God if they get surgery to repair the deformity?  You're just spouting nosense, man.

    St. Rose of Lima deliberately disfigured herself lest she be a temptation to others, but NO Catholic teacher holds that a woman who's beautiful is REQUIRED to take such action.

    Similarly, please find a Catholic moral theologian, or, better, an act of the Catholic Magisterium that condemns makeup as intrinsically evil and inherently sinful, regardless of the motivation, the formal intention, and the amount used.  Indeed, a woman who makes herself up to look like a hooker would be sinning ... although I've seen some elderly women look like The Joker character from Batman, so thick did they lay it on, I mean women in their 90s ... and I have chosen not to inquire about what they were thinking there.


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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #17 on: March 29, 2025, 04:53:02 PM »
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  • And just FYI, an "old school" SSPX priest (one many on this forum would know) actually said it is an act of charity for some women to wear makeup.  That's where I got it. 

    I've never read a single source from the Magisterium or from a Catholic moral theologian indicating that makeup is intrinsiclaly evil or sinful.  One MIGHT argue that it's better to not wear it, etc. ... but as you said, there are cases where it may be an act of charity.  I've known young ladies and even a couple young men who used "concealer" due to some pretty severe acne that didn't even really make it "disappear", just made it a bit less unsightly or "gross" to others.  As per the OP, that would now be sinful also.

    On the other extreme are the women that cake it on so thick that they might as well be interviewing for a prostitution job ... who are motivated not by just looking decent, similar to just general grooming, but by some kind of vanity or possibly impurity.  That's why I said it's all about the motives.

    Also, if a woman changes her appearance to deceptively win the affections of some man, one could argue there's some deception there.  But if a woman is not seeking a spouse, i.e. is married etc. ... that changes the equation also, where there's no intent to deceive.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #18 on: March 29, 2025, 05:18:52 PM »
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  • I would say that Mr. Aleksandar has a "puritanical conscience". Not so rare among Americans, if you people excuse me to say it.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #19 on: March 29, 2025, 05:37:47 PM »
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  • Doctors orders are for me to wear sunscreen on my face, which turns my face white  --white enough to scare little children. So I use light liquid blended with sunscreen to look normal. No one would think I'm wearing makeup.

    Sounds to be like someone hath a log in his own eye.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #20 on: March 29, 2025, 07:15:41 PM »
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  •  I've seen some elderly women look like The Joker character from Batman, so thick did they lay it on, I mean women in their 90s ... and I have chosen not to inquire about what they were thinking there.

    That part's easy.  They think it makes them look prettier, and in all likelihood, younger.  They'd tell you so, if they were being honest.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #21 on: March 29, 2025, 08:08:49 PM »
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  • The only place I read that makeup ( in a general sense) was sinful was the book of Enoch. 
    Not sure what to make of it . ( yes I wear some makeup for correction )

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #22 on: March 29, 2025, 10:21:17 PM »
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  • That part's easy.  They think it makes them look prettier, and in all likelihood, younger.  They'd tell you so, if they were being honest.

    I just think they have to be senile at the same time to actually believe that.


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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #23 on: March 29, 2025, 10:39:14 PM »
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  • I just think they have to be senile at the same time to actually believe that.

    Not really. We see even young women who think that they need these powders to make them look good when they look just fine without it and pretty silly with all that on their face.

    I think that they feel bad if they don't do something to their face, regardless of how bad or good they look. Their biggest fear is to be considered ungroomed by other women. Some won't go out without polish on their nails, as if there's something wrong with the human hand as God designed it.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #24 on: March 29, 2025, 11:25:53 PM »
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  • Not really. We see even young women who think that they need these powders to make them look good when they look just fine without it and pretty silly with all that on their face.

    I think that they feel bad if they don't do something to their face, regardless of how bad or good they look. Their biggest fear is to be considered ungroomed by other women. Some won't go out without polish on their nails, as if there's something wrong with the human hand as God designed it.
    Yes.

    As a woman who doesn’t do all the frills, it can be frustrating and tempting to compare oneself to the “deceptive beauty” of other women. It’s common practice for women to have a face full of makeup, hair colored and held in place with hair spray, strongly scented perfume, painted nails, a closet full of shiny new clothes, etc.  Next to all of that I look very homely when in fact I am quite average if compared to women in their natural state.

    I suppose it is a good spiritual practice in humility when I start to feel insecure when out in public at times. 

    Having said all that, I still don’t think it’s a sin to wear makeup in the right circuмstances. I know not everyone is a fan of Fr. Ripperger here, but he gave a sermon that made a lot of sense to me on the use of makeup. If I have time I’ll look it up later. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #25 on: March 29, 2025, 11:42:59 PM »
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  • Thank you for this, Lad.  I don't have acne, but I have severe rosacea, which is quite unsightly when it flares up.  I apply makeup as an act of mercy and charity toward my neighbor. 

    I'm getting tired of reading so many absolutes and blanket generalizations constantly spouted on this forum lately.  Good grief. 
    Clare, if that is your real name. Rosacea is usually linked to having too many demodex. Demodex are little arachnids (related to spiders) which live on our body and on our hair and in our pores, they feed on sebum, babies are not born with demodex but accuмulate them from, other people, all adults have demodex. They don’t usually cause harm but can cause things such as rosacea when they overpopulate, I suggest you take ivermectin, while you can’t kill them all as they are basically impossible to avoid you can slim them down to normal levels using ivermectin, which will kill all the parasites in your system too. Trust me you never know what stuff is in your system. Don’t worry ivermectin won’t affect your gut microbiome because it isn’t an antibiotic but I still would reccomend having some raw milk if you can access that just in case. Don’t worry, raw milk which is intended to be had raw is a lot cleaner than raw milk which is intended to be pasteurised. 
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    https://www.realmilk.com/raw-milk-finder/


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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #26 on: March 29, 2025, 11:44:06 PM »
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  • Doctors orders are for me to wear sunscreen on my face, which turns my face white  --white enough to scare little children. So I use light liquid blended with sunscreen to look normal. No one would think I'm wearing makeup.

    Sounds to be like someone hath a log in his own eye.
    Doctors orders mean nothing. Don’t wear cancerscreen

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #27 on: March 30, 2025, 01:25:40 AM »
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  • There is a big difference between; make up vs 'no make up' make up vs heavy makeup

    It's common with secular girls to wear heavy makeup that significantly altars their appearance, I have even seen a meme of this, and you can find videos online of women doing this.

    Here are some examples (I recommend you mute the video due to worldly music)

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ou5d-IGFxcg

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V7u3fsoDbFo

    The second is more extreme but I think you get the idea.

    Likewise a bit of light makeup can enhance natural features. If someone is young and looking for a spouse, why is it a surprise that they may want to attract someones' attention?

    St Thomas even states that a man begins to love when he takes pleasure in a woman's beauty. Sure it doesn't have to be physical beauty, but we live in reality, and in reality people judge by what they see (the eye/sight is the primary sense), whether it be one's appearance or behaviour, men in particular are 'moved' by a woman's looks.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #28 on: March 30, 2025, 01:30:01 AM »
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  • I've never read a single source from the Magisterium or from a Catholic moral theologian indicating that makeup is intrinsiclaly evil or sinful.  One MIGHT argue that it's better to not wear it, etc. ... but as you said, there are cases where it may be an act of charity.  I've known young ladies and even a couple young men who used "concealer" due to some pretty severe acne that didn't even really make it "disappear", just made it a bit less unsightly or "gross" to others.  As per the OP, that would now be sinful also.

    On the other extreme are the women that cake it on so thick that they might as well be interviewing for a prostitution job ... who are motivated not by just looking decent, similar to just general grooming, but by some kind of vanity or possibly impurity.  That's why I said it's all about the motives.

    Also, if a woman changes her appearance to deceptively win the affections of some man, one could argue there's some deception there.  But if a woman is not seeking a spouse, i.e. is married etc. ... that changes the equation also, where there's no intent to deceive.
    Yes the best argument against makeup is that it's bad for your skin in the long run. Still how much and how often plays a big part.

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #29 on: March 30, 2025, 01:32:14 AM »
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  • OP I have a question/s for you.

    If a person is born without moles but end up getting some later in life on their face, do you think it's a sin for them to get them removed to look better?

    What about acne scars?

    Pigmentation marks?

    They weren't born with these things, maybe they have a genetic disposition to get them, or maybe they were simply unlucky born into a country with strong sun, or picked their pimples, or maybe they just have sensitive skin so any pimples they get will leave a mark.