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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2025, 11:17:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Aleksandar on March 30, 2025, 11:15:15 AM
    Makeup always alters your appearance, if you painted your wall you wouldn’t say you’re “enhancing” the wall, you would say you’re painting the wall to alter the appearance.

    Makeup is face paint, there is no justification for it.

    You just keep regurgitating the same stupidity.  I've defined terms in terms of grooming, distinguished formal intent from the material aspect of putting something on your face, etc.

    You don't even defined the terms and most likely can't but just keep hurling your idiotic statements out there.

    Nobody gives a rat's behind what you claim.  Cite a Catholic theologian who denoucned makeup, any amout of it for any reason as intrinsically evil or sinful ... or shut up and go away.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #46 on: March 30, 2025, 11:20:55 AM »
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    • I've come the conclusion that 80% of Trads are actually mentally ill, and this poster is an example of it.  

    For some reason in their overreaction to Modernist ... and it's always an overreaction to an error on the other side withtout being able to make a distinction between some of the truth that might be in the other side, that people swing to the opposite extreme and pitch out even what may be correct about the other side.

    Because R&R mack a mockery of the Church's Magisterium and authority, reducing it to meaningless lip service, SVs overreact to the other extreme (that no Catholic theologian between Vatican I and Vatican II ever held) that the Pope is infallible every time he passes wind.  Because another "side" migth have gotten one thing wrong, then it must be that everything they believe is wrong.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #47 on: March 30, 2025, 11:24:00 AM »
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    • We had a nearly identical stupidity arise on the marijuana question, where you had to Puritanical intrinsically evil crowd ignoring every citation from every source ... and, without being able to refute the principles involved or explain why their position is correct ... just keep regurgitating the same thing over and over again.  Same thing here.  No ability to explain principles, make distinctions, or even define terms ... and of course zero citations from any Catholic authories backup up the principle.
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    Offline Aleksandar

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #48 on: March 30, 2025, 11:24:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on March 30, 2025, 01:32:14 AM
    OP I have a question/s for you.

    If a person is born without moles but end up getting some later in life on their face, do you think it's a sin for them to get them removed to look better?

    What about acne scars?

    Pigmentation marks?

    They weren't born with these things, maybe they have a genetic disposition to get them, or maybe they were simply unlucky born into a country with strong sun, or picked their pimples, or maybe they just have sensitive skin so any pimples they get will leave a mark.
    I don’t need to answer this, you’re obscuring my argument into a Vatican 2 style relativism. “Everything is dependent upon context”. Makeup is always wrong because it is always deceitful whether that is your intent behind it or not.

    So far the main objections have been:
    1. My acne is bad so people don’t like to look at me if I am without makeup.

    2. I’m getting old and I don’t like it so I’m allowed to wear makeup.

    3. A little bit of makeup isn’t deceptive because it is the same as grooming.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #49 on: March 30, 2025, 11:28:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 30, 2025, 11:17:32 AM
    You just keep regurgitating the same stupidity.  I've defined terms in terms of grooming, distinguished formal intent from the material aspect of putting something on your face, etc.

    You don't even defined the terms and most likely can't but just keep hurling your idiotic statements out there.

    Nobody gives a rat's behind what you claim.  Cite a Catholic theologian who denoucned makeup, any amout of it for any reason as intrinsically evil or sinful ... or shut up and go away.
    It looks like I’ve struck a nerve. I don’t need to appeal to authority (I already have but all you said is “context is important”). You haven’t proved how intent changes the effect or makeup from altering your appearance, therefore making it deceptive.

    If I paint my car with the intent to please others, how does it change the fact that I have painted the car from its original colour?
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #50 on: March 30, 2025, 11:40:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 30, 2025, 11:20:55 AM
    I've come the conclusion that 80% of Trads are actually mentally ill, and this poster is an example of it. 

    For some reason in their overreaction to Modernist ... and it's always an overreaction to an error on the other side withtout being able to make a distinction between some of the truth that might be in the other side, that people swing to the opposite extreme and pitch out even what may be correct about the other side.

    Because R&R mack a mockery of the Church's Magisterium and authority, reducing it to meaningless lip service, SVs overreact to the other extreme (that no Catholic theologian between Vatican I and Vatican II ever held) that the Pope is infallible every time he passes wind.  Because another "side" migth have gotten one thing wrong, then it must be that everything they believe is wrong.
    Well said.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #51 on: March 30, 2025, 01:53:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 30, 2025, 11:14:46 AM
    Idiotic.  I've already explained and you are unable to make a refutation but just reassert your gratuitous statement.

    Get lost, you baboon.
    :laugh1: :laugh2:
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #52 on: March 30, 2025, 02:58:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aleksandar on March 30, 2025, 11:24:52 AM
    I don’t need to answer this, you’re obscuring my argument into a Vatican 2 style relativism. “Everything is dependent upon context”. Makeup is always wrong because it is always deceitful whether that is your intent behind it or not.

    So far the main objections have been:
    1. My acne is bad so people don’t like to look at me if I am without makeup.

    2. I’m getting old and I don’t like it so I’m allowed to wear makeup.

    3. A little bit of makeup isn’t deceptive because it is the same as grooming.
    Sorry, the way i said this was a bit mean.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #53 on: March 30, 2025, 03:07:34 PM »
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    • Aquinas says married women are absolutely allowed to dress themselves up for their husbands, even and including for the purposes of being more sɛҳuąƖly desirable. Unmarried women are not allowed to desire to invite lust in the hearts of others (obviously, I think) but that adornment for other reasons, although possibly sinful, is not necessarily so. 

    Betting OP is between the ages of 17-25, single male, converted or reverted within the last year. That's the profile for people who presume to lecture others on this know and of stuff. 
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #54 on: March 30, 2025, 03:19:53 PM »
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    • After meditating upon this for 2-minutes, I've concluded that makeup, nose jobs and botox are important to America's jewess comedians and actresses.


     




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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #55 on: March 30, 2025, 04:03:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Predestination2 on March 29, 2025, 11:44:06 PM
    Doctors orders mean nothing. Don’t wear cancerscreen
    Get back to me after you've had mutliple painful removals of metastatic skin cancer on your face (one of which caused a hole in my nose, for which cheek skin had to be used). And now I have to take medication f(or another condition) which makes my skin burn even in the shade.
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #56 on: March 30, 2025, 04:24:23 PM »
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    • This absolute extreme "all makeup is EVIL in any case" nonsense is funny to read but absurd. Clearly there is no such universally accepted statement among the Saints that it is by its very nature evil and such a absolutist mindset on makeup doesn't historically hold up either. Its use CAN BE evil and often is as oh so many things are, yes, of course, but to go to this extreme is not healthy. 
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #57 on: March 30, 2025, 04:28:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on March 30, 2025, 03:07:34 PM
    Aquinas says married women are absolutely allowed to dress themselves up for their husbands, even and including for the purposes of being more sɛҳuąƖly desirable. Unmarried women are not allowed to desire to invite lust in the hearts of others (obviously, I think) but that adornment for other reasons, although possibly sinful, is not necessarily so.

    Betting OP is between the ages of 17-25, single male, converted or reverted within the last year. That's the profile for people who presume to lecture others on this know and of stuff.


    Weird auto correct... Should have read "lecture others ***on this kind of stuff***"
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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #58 on: March 30, 2025, 04:57:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 30, 2025, 11:20:55 AM
    I've come the conclusion that 80% of Trads are actually mentally ill, and this poster is an example of it. 

    For some reason in their overreaction to Modernist ... and it's always an overreaction to an error on the other side withtout being able to make a distinction between some of the truth that might be in the other side, that people swing to the opposite extreme and pitch out even what may be correct about the other side.

    Because R&R mack a mockery of the Church's Magisterium and authority, reducing it to meaningless lip service, SVs overreact to the other extreme (that no Catholic theologian between Vatican I and Vatican II ever held) that the Pope is infallible every time he passes wind.  Because another "side" migth have gotten one thing wrong, then it must be that everything they believe is wrong.
    This guy gets it.

    That kind of thinking is a sign of mental illness and people like Aleksandr are drawn to Traddom because it enables behavior like this.
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    Offline Giovanni Berto

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    Re: Makeup is a work of the devil
    « Reply #59 on: March 30, 2025, 05:31:07 PM »
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    • You know, all use of make up is evil we get that. Those evil powders and paints...

    But what about a clown make up?:clown:

    That seems appropriate to some people. What do our theologians say? Is it evil too?
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