I don't know her point.

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My response was on her statement that the age of someone's daughter shouldn't matter. My response points out that a mother may feel like the other younger girls may be competition if she has an older daughter.

With secular women it's common that they give each other bad advice and try to bring them down, even if they don't realise it. E.g A married women or an unmarried women may tell a teenage girl to play around and "find herself" or "travel" before "settling down", in this case the unmarried women wants to destroy her because she already got destroyed. While the married women may not realise she is trying to destroy her, it's still bad advice, but she already 'got hers' if you know what I mean.

Now while Trad women may nor or shouldn't be like that, sometimes people do things without realising it. As for the other part of 2Vermont's statement, I can not think of any reason why a women with young daughters would have such a reaction unless she didn't want her daughters to get married young, but even then that reaction is very strong and unnatural, hence why I call it feminism, as there is a big difference between saying "my daughter is not ready yet" vs "oh you are a pedo for liking my young girl".

I don't think the women here on CathInfo are thinking about competition.  Have you ever looked around Catholic chapels.  I think there are more single men than single women.  Just my observation that is true for my church.  It could be different in different locations. 



Yes some women give other women bad advice, have you seen this on the internet or have you actually heard women talk this way in real life?

So what about things were at play? If you say it's because of "unwanted attention" that these girls or their mothers have already received then is that really from Catholic men or secular men?  Most likely secular men, but there are some creepy Catholic men, who keep pushing because they do not understand when stop means stop, or no means no, or enough already.  And are the women exaggerating the unwanted attention?   Maybe While there is certainly women who get vulgar comments and experiences from men, there is also a tendency to feel terrible with a man's flirting/compliments if he is unattractive and ungroomed. It is actually hard to deal with whenever it is unwanted, for many reasons, each woman is different.  Another user (I think female) pointed out that modern women do not know how to respond properly to men's natural flirting (though some men go overboard or are inappropriate, either because they have no morals or are just awkward). Yes that may be true.  And it may have been me who said it in another thread.

I think you are very analytical and are a person who wants to seek answers, but part of this discussion deals with two individuals and whether they are right for marriage, which is really hard to talk about in theories.  Do you think maybe you have enough information to ponder for awhile and we can give this topic a rest?

Quit trying to stop debate on topics you don’t like.  If you don’t enjoy a topic, go away.  If you “need a rest” then don’t click on the thread. 

Dont act like a controlling, Karen.

What debate?  AnthonyPadua just keeps repeating the same thing over and over.  It is not even on topic anymore.  

It is not about liking or not liking the topic.  I just thought people might be tired of it. My bad.

I don't think the women here on CathInfo are thinking about competition.  Have you ever looked around Catholic chapels.  I think there are more single men than single women.  Just my observation that is true for my church.  It could be different in different locations. 



Yes some women give other women bad advice, have you seen this on the internet or have you actually heard women talk this way in real life?



I think you are very analytical and are a person who wants to seek answers, but part of this discussion deals with two individuals and whether they are right for marriage, which is really hard to talk about in theories.  Do you think maybe you have enough information to ponder for awhile and we can give this topic a rest?

Yeah I'm basically done with the topic, however one more thing. Just because there is more men or more women in a chapel doesn't mean those people are seen as options by the opposite gender.

And yes I have heard secular women (novus order as well) give terrible advice to younger ladies (even in their early 20s )

why are the middle aged women here seemingly so threated by teenage females? 

but they disguise that insecurity by pointing fingers at men for naturally being attracted to the post-pubescent females

Theory leads to action.

Well it is action supported by the church, not 12 year olds since 1917, but 14 year old, yes.


(Obviously sinfully looking is wrong sinful and completely rebuked by the church rightly as a mortal sin which will sen dyou straight to hell if you were to die in it, whether the object of your lustful gaze is 14, or 40, that’s not what I mean by those actions)

Speak for yourself.  You’ve not been elected as any kind of representative on this site.

Yes, but if I kept the conversation going then at some point I would be blamed for that, too. No worries. It is all fun on the internet.  It is a great place to put your best foot foward.  

I'm not going to opine on this topic in any other way than recognising that we should respect what the Church teaches us through Tradition.

As an aside however, I think this thread demonstrates fantastically why male-female discourse is just not really something that works.

When I look at the thread, I see a bunch of men saying something that they believe rightly or wrongly, giving their reasons for it, etc... But then in many instances the women posting are not really engaging in the conversation. They are generally responding with complaints about how they mens' comments make them feel. In one instance one lady, I believe asked the moderator to censor this thread.

I am not criticising mens' bluntness in stating their desires, nor am I criticising womens' sensibility- God created both. What I am seriously thinking, however, is that we have here a really good illustration for the impossibility of serious discourse between men and women. I also think that the docuмented conversation serves as a microscope of what is going in generally in society. Public discourse is very strained at present. A big part of it is censorship and the so called cancel culture. These phenomena occur because certain ideas are deemed too inappropriate to be expressed. Look, i think we would all agree that censorship should exist and be applied to lunatics who wish to corrupt others in immorality. But we are at a stage now at which it is currently impossible for a man to say in public that he wouldn't be comfortable with his daughter dating a black man. 

I notice that so often the shouting down of people who speak their views in public, is in fact done by women and usually because of how these opinions make them feel. Whereas for men the issue is not one of sentiment, but rather purpose. It seems like the sexes are simply not on the same page.

Anyway, food for thought.

why are the middle aged women here seemingly so threated by teenage females?

but they disguise that insecurity by pointing fingers at men for naturally being attracted to the post-pubescent females

 You’re reading into comments. Women in their 40’s are very seldom threatened by teenaged girls!