post-pubescence, not age, should be the marker of legality along with approval of parents for marriage

Are men attached to feminine youthfulness?  Yes.  But it can be said like that without throwing out other words which are more lewd.  I think that a good clean conversation about these topics can be done well when discussed properly but without name calling or throwing "feminist!" at the women and "pedo!" at the men.

This is a rightful take. Also I dont think people are bothered by the age for marriage, but immature males who are not teens upholding their desire to court teenage girls as some sort of necessity and try to justify them with Church teachings, meanwhile my 1928 girls missal specifically says girls should not try to court men much older than them.

no one is bothered by the age for marriage

no she is too young you pedo, you are immature 

Fun fact -- the first person to throw the word "Feminist!" in that thread was *drumroll* -- a female.
But you assumed that was a man. I certainly did! But the moderator can see the identity behind ALL Anonymous posts.

And since that was one of the opening shots in this "war", I felt that should be made known.

• Since the fall of man, nature and biology are no longer perfect.
• It is through grace that nature finds its true perfection.

that can only be answered by the physical maturation of the body and on an individual basis

you're trying to factor in age when it has nothing to do with it

are you asking what is the statistical mean age for females' onset and completion of puberty?

Yeah sure that would be helpful.

On average, females begin puberty at age 10½ and complete puberty at ages 15-17; males begin at ages 11½-12 and complete puberty at ages 16-17.^[1][2][3] The major landmark of puberty for females is menarche, the onset of menstruation, which occurs on average around age 12½.^[2] For males, first ejaculation, spermarche, occurs on average at age 13.^[4] In the 21st century, the average age at which children, especially females, reach specific markers of puberty is lower compared to the 19th century, when it was 15 for females and 17 for males (with age at first periods for females and voice-breaks for males being used as examples).^[5] 

Large age gaps between men and women usually occurred out of economic necessity, i.e. in times and places where many men couldn't afford to support a family until they were much older. We have marriage records, however, showing that the average ages of marriage for men and women in Western Europe were only a few years apart and both stayed within the 20-25 range. Women in Northern and Western Europe didn't tend to marry before 20 as they also had to work for a few years to save for marriage.

That depends on the time period. The data posted in the other thread said that before ~1500 AD roughly 90% of girls were married by 20 (with around 60% getting married 12-16). While from ~1500AD-2000AD that jumped to 20-25 for women, citing; economic difficulties, changes in laws, and women's education, all three tie in with the rise of Protestantism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and jews gaining control. From 2000-2025AD it's now 25-30 (40% women) and 31-35 (50% women) and that's out of people who get married, more people than ever before are not getting married. Southern Europe stayed the same around 18-19 for women.

This is for common people though - for the nobility it was different, as their youth did not need to save money before marriage and political concerns were a much bigger factor. As such they often marroed younger - but even then, it was common that the couple wouldn't actually cohabitate until they were a bit older.

The other thread said for nobles it was younger (12-16) while commoners it was slightly older (15-17) before 1500AD, after it was Nobles 14–18, commoners 18–25 (~20–22 Western Europe, ~16–18 Southern Europe).


All that being said - there is nothing unnatural about being attracted to a 16 year old, but it's not some historical norm for a 35 year old man to marry one. If a man wants to marry a young woman and have a happy marriage, he should focus on getting himself into a position where he's ready to marry young. Women (and men) in the modern age mature more slowly due to extended education, and even when they're ready for marriage, they'll be more attracted to men of a similar age, and won't see the same economic incentive (or necessity) for marrying a much older man as a peasant woman in the 1800s might have done.

While I mostly agree with what you have said, a women may be attracted to a man her age, but a man will most likely prefer someone younger. And since it's on the man to provide he may feel like he is getting a raw deal after spending his youth accuмulating resources only to provide for a women past her prime.

Its's also very hard for a man to marry young nowadays, unless he has an excellent upbringing not wasting any time and knowing his career path or rich parents, he most likely won't be ready until late 20s the earliest.

I actually believe the economic incentive is greater now than it was in the past. I cannot comment on how bad it was in Aristotle's time but men also needed to build themselves then and he recommended 18 and 37 respectively.