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Online Gray2023

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Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2025, 05:19:33 PM »
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  • Discussing whether 14 year old should enter into the holy state of matrimony is not only philosophical. It is a matter of obedience to holy mother church. If you are calling this lewd you are calling church canon law lewd.
    I don't think it was really about the discussion itself.  It just all fell apart, when emotions started to fly.

    And you have to admit, that no parent in 2025 will let their 14 year old daughter marry or their 16 your old son.  So we are really just talking hypotheticals. Right?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #16 on: May 16, 2025, 05:42:52 PM »
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  • And you have to admit, that no parent in 2025 will let their 14 year old daughter marry or their 16 your old son.  So we are really just talking hypotheticals. Right?

    G R A Y,  OTHER  LADIES  &  M A T T H E W,

    I (Seraphina) am the one who reached out to the moderator about this issue since a number of ladies were upset.
    Everyone has had their say. Perhaps it’s time to close this derailed thread?

    For the future, how about the ladies resist being swift to take offense and the gentlemen resist the hasty reactions with name-calling.

    TRUCE?


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #17 on: May 16, 2025, 05:51:34 PM »
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  • I (Seraphina) am the one who reached out to the moderator about this issue
    Might've known. You schoolmarms is always causin' trouble. ;)

    (Just trying to lighten the mood. I made no posts in the thread that touched off the controversy.)

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #18 on: May 16, 2025, 06:31:57 PM »
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  • Should CathInfo allow members to discuss, philosophically, the ideal age of marriage, modern marriage trends (marrying later and later, fewer and fewer children, etc.) and 

    Or is even discussing "marriage" and "under 18s" in the same sentence automatically lewd and obscene?

    Is the topic of "marriage" automatically lewd? I disagree. Unless you're going into graphic physiological detail -- THAT would be lewd. But marriage is a sacrament created by God. And that is what we're talking about here: honorable, sacramental Catholic marriage.

    Is saying "teen girls are attractive" lewd? I would think it common sense. As long as you're talking about young women (after puberty) I don't see any problem.

    I MUST POINT OUT that I have not seen a single post targeting anyone's specific daughter (NOTE: I have 7 daughters, ages 4 - 17, so I am as qualified as any of you to be offended or not!), but rather a philosophical discussion on the broad topic of ideal marriage age. I haven't taken any of the discussion personally, nor have I been offended by any of it.

    Modern Americans (including myself) would look askance (thinking it imprudent) at any woman under 18 getting married. Just a reality of the modern world maturity levels. Again, we're talking about honorable sacramental (lifelong) marriage here, nothing else. Promotion of anything else wouldn't be allowed on the forum.

    That having been said, the canonical age for marriage, and the "age of consent" in most CHRISTIAN (formerly Christian) countries is often much lower than 18. Even in most states in the USA. So we can't deny that. It might be ourselves that are the problem (being raised in the modern world), rather than those laws and statutes. So let's stay objective.

    Make your case.

    Those who have already left in a huff -- I guess won't have a voice in this debate.
    Yes it should be allowed. 

    Currently canon laws allows for 14 and 16 for youngest to marry.
    Most European countries allow 14 as the youngest to marry.
    Historical and biological context cannot be ignored.
    Non-Catholic ideologies are the reason why people are ans can't get married earlier due to economic reasons and laws.

    So from a Catholic perspective this involves TRUTH, and non+Catholic attacks on Catholics. How long until feminists call Catholics pedos because many of the Saints got married before 15?

    Finally God said it is not good for man to be alone. The longer people wait to get married the more people you wi have who don't get married. Starting to pair up early gives you more time to find someone, as you get older it does get harder. As Catholics shouldn't we consider Catholics history and our fellow parishioners? I am not saying you have to force marriage between someone who doesn't want it. I am saying to be realistic and look at objective facts and recognise how pervasive and invasive Jєωιѕн feminism and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ really is.

    Remember that the family unit is the most fundamental structure of society and reflects the order God has made and has been slowly attacked for 500 years now.

    Online Gray2023

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #19 on: May 16, 2025, 06:56:31 PM »
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  • Please stop with using the same words that keep getting threads all riled up.

    Yes it should be allowed.

    This section you have repeated over and over. We know it already.

    So from a Catholic perspective this involves TRUTH, and non+Catholic attacks on Catholics. Removed.

    Finally God said it is not good for man to be alone. The longer people wait to get married the more people you wi have who don't get married. Starting to pair up early gives you more time to find someone, as you get older it does get harder. As Catholics shouldn't we consider Catholics history and our fellow parishioners? I am not saying you have to force marriage between someone who doesn't want it. I am saying to be realistic and look at objective facts and recognise how pervasive and invasive Jєωιѕн errors and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ really is.

    Remember that the family unit is the most fundamental structure of society and reflects the order God has made and has been slowly attacked for 500 years now.
    The changes I made are in bold.  I really am just trying to help, please do not take offense.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #20 on: May 16, 2025, 07:22:23 PM »
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  • Rather than make a case one way or the other, I want to try and come at this discussion as dispassionately as possible and perhaps from a different angle.  What I saw in the most recent threads was a bunch of men discussing their age preferences and their reasons for them. 

    I have some questions, and I'm really hoping that the men won't take it as some sort of judgment but rather my attempt to better understand their want/need to have/continue to have this particular discussion in the main forum. 

    Men:  When you posted in those threads, what did you see as the woman's role in this particular discussion?  What were you looking to get from them?  Were you looking to get anything from them?  Did you think they could provide you with advice?  life experiences?  I'm trying to figure out what women could say that would be helpful to you.  And if you weren't looking for any advice/help, etc from them, then why discuss it in the co-ed room at all?
    I think the men want to have acknowledgment that their preference doesn't make them a 'pedo' or evil inherently. I think some men are worried they may be attacked in person when they try to court a lady because of feminism in trad circles. When the SSPX recommends 22 for marriage and some priests even higher, and also trads online stating they have seen feminisms in their local communities, I am not surprised to see men 'sus out' the users on this forum to see their opinions. And boy were they clear signs of feminism.

    Of course a man not get his preference but I personally wouldn't want to be attacked for my biology when I am ready for marriage because I tried for a younger girl.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #21 on: May 16, 2025, 07:24:34 PM »
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  • Did the question need to be anonymous if it was meant for just the men (assuming it was and there is no clear evidence that that was the OP's intent)?

    As a side note: I do think we should have anonymous forums in the gender specific rooms.
    People are more likely to voice their true opinions when anonymous, also it allows for discussion on the topic itself without being able to shoot the messenger. So if someone anonymous replies that men are pedos for liking teen girls, then you know someone has feminism.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #22 on: May 16, 2025, 07:26:26 PM »
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  • G R A Y,  OTHER  LADIES  &  M A T T H E W,

    I (Seraphina) am the one who reached out to the moderator about this issue since a number of ladies were upset.
    Everyone has had their say. Perhaps it’s time to close this derailed thread?

    For the future, how about the ladies resist being swift to take offense and the gentlemen resist the hasty reactions with name-calling.

    TRUCE?

    Why are the ladies upset with this topic? Are men not allowed to talk about their biology or history? What is the issue here? From my point of view all I see is feminism.


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #23 on: May 16, 2025, 07:28:06 PM »
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  • Please stop with using the same words that keep getting threads all riled up.
    The changes I made are in bold.  I really am just trying to help, please do not take offense.
    But the word 'feminism' is the correct terminology. What issue do you take here? And what is wrong with referencing nation laws and Church law??

    How can there be a discussion when you take offence to the terminology used and the objective evidence? That's not how discussions work. You are just trying to censor what you do not like.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #24 on: May 16, 2025, 07:34:35 PM »
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  • But the word 'feminism' is the correct terminology. What issue do you take here? And what is wrong with referencing nation laws and Church law??

    How can there be a discussion when you take offence to the terminology used and the objective evidence? That's not how discussions work. You are just trying to censor what you do not like.
    It is not. Us women here are the forum do not want to boss or be equal to men. The fact that we are all influenced by the society is a given. The fact that the errors of Russia have passed to everyone is a given. We need to stop focusing on it. You keep repeating two words that rile people up. Just please stop.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #25 on: May 16, 2025, 07:46:28 PM »
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  • It is not. Us women here are the forum do not want to boss or be equal to men. The fact that we are all influenced by the society is a given. The fact that the errors of Russia have passed to everyone is a given. We need to stop focusing on it. You keep repeating two words that rile people up. Just please stop.
    You are wrong. Women calling men pedos for their biology is a feminist doctrine. Women being told to marry later is a feminist doctrine. This is not an error from Russia, it's an error from the jews. If the word feminism relies the ladies up they should consider why that is and explain it.

    I have given some examples to why it is feminism. Can you EXPLAIN why it's not?

    I would also like to hear the reasons why some women are upset that men want to discuss this topic (Sera mentioned earlier).


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #26 on: May 16, 2025, 08:27:05 PM »
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  • It is not. Us women here are the forum do not want to boss or be equal to men. The fact that we are all influenced by the society is a given. The fact that the errors of Russia have passed to everyone is a given. We need to stop focusing on it. You keep repeating two words that rile people up. Just please stop.
    Grow up.  If you are getting triggered by a word, avoid the discussion.  Don’t try to censor the word.  

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #27 on: May 16, 2025, 08:29:30 PM »
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  • Grow up.  If you are getting triggered by a word, avoid the discussion.  Don’t try to censor the word. 
    We can use other words.  I am not triggered.  I am just trying to calm the dialogue down for other women.   What I posted didn't change anything he was trying to say.
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #28 on: May 16, 2025, 08:31:20 PM »
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  • Why are the ladies upset with this topic? Are men not allowed to talk about their biology or history? What is the issue here? From my point of view all I see is feminism.
    I don’t know.  This topic is pretty abstract.  I don’t understand the charged responses. 

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #29 on: May 16, 2025, 08:34:50 PM »
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  • We can use other words.  I am not triggered.  I am just trying to calm the dialogue down for other women.  What I posted didn't change anything he was trying to say.
    Attempt to derail #2.