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Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 08:42:02 PM »
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  • Attempt to derail #2.   
    Think whatever you want.
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
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  • post-pubescence, not age, should be the marker of legality along with approval of parents for marriage


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    « Reply #32 on: Today at 06:28:34 AM »
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  • post-pubescence, not age, should be the marker of legality along with approval of parents for marriage
    What age roughly do you consider to be post-pubescence? 

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    « Reply #33 on: Today at 07:07:57 AM »
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  • What age roughly do you consider to be post-pubescence?
    I forgot to mention, what is your reasoning for this?

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #34 on: Today at 07:18:35 AM »
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  • People are more likely to voice their true opinions when anonymous, also it allows for discussion on the topic itself without being able to shoot the messenger. So if someone anonymous replies that men are pedos for liking teen girls, then you know someone has feminism.
    I agree that this is a huge positive for making an anonymous inquiry.  Unfortunately, Matthew switched it to Members Only fairly early on in the thread (ie. well before the pedophilia comments).  I'm guessing he did that because of the content of at least some of the earlier posts. 


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #35 on: Today at 07:26:48 AM »
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  • I think the men want to have acknowledgment that their preference doesn't make them a 'pedo' or evil inherently. I think some men are worried they may be attacked in person when they try to court a lady because of feminism in trad circles. When the SSPX recommends 22 for marriage and some priests even higher, and also trads online stating they have seen feminisms in their local communities, I am not surprised to see men 'sus out' the users on this forum to see their opinions. And boy were they clear signs of feminism.

    Of course a man not get his preference but I personally wouldn't want to be attacked for my biology when I am ready for marriage because I tried for a younger girl.
    So, was the purpose of the original anonymous thread an attempt to "suss out" the female posters?  I hope not.   

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #36 on: Today at 07:28:56 AM »
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  • Is the topic of "marriage" automatically lewd? I disagree. Unless you're going into graphic physiological detail -- THAT would be lewd. But marriage is a sacrament created by God. And that is what we're talking about here: honorable, sacramental Catholic marriage.

    Is saying "teen girls are attractive" lewd? I would think it common sense. As long as you're talking about young women (after puberty) I don't see any problem.

    Make your case.
    Good points in bold.  I don't think anyone here really objects to the general topic of marriage. 

    I think that a reason the one thread got derailed more was because it was in the anonymous section and people could say whatever they wanted without being identified by everyone.

    Is it wrong for teenagers to get married?  Absolutely not in my opinion...  I don't think that anyone here really objects to that either.  It was more the manner in which it was discussed which disgusted some of the women.

    Now...  The real question is...  Are most teenage girls living in the modern world actually properly prepared to have children and care for them correctly in their teenage years? 

    In the medieval times and after that, by the time a young man or woman was 12, they were a LOT more mature and trained in the arts of their crafts than many people are until they are closer to 20.  This could be said for even only 100 years ago...  Most young men and women had at least parttime jobs at the age of 10 or 12.  Young ladies knew how to cook, take care of babies and everything necessary to marry earlier in life.  Yet...  Such is quite often rare these days. 

    I have seen it in some rare traditional Catholic families where the daughters might actually be trained well enough to be married at an eariler age, but I think that most fathers and mothers really wouldn't consider it until the girl was at least 16 or 18 and in accordance with state law for the sake of all the inconveniences and hardships that legally would come upon anyone who even considered marriage before that age.

    It is not being a feminist to merely explain that most women are not properly trained for marriage by the age of 14 and that it is general probably not for the best.  Yes, it is technically allowed by the Church (I don't think anyone here really contests that) but it is the minimum age not necessarily the ideal especially in our day and age.

    Are men attached to feminine youthfulness?  Yes.  But it can be said like that without throwing out other words which are more lewd.  I think that a good clean conversation about these topics can be done well when discussed properly but without name calling or throwing "feminist!" at the women and "pedo!" at the men.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
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  • Good points in bold.  I don't think anyone here really objects to the general topic of marriage. 

    I think that a reason the one thread got derailed more was because it was in the anonymous section and people could say whatever they wanted without being identified by everyone.

    Is it wrong for teenagers to get married?  Absolutely not in my opinion...  I don't think that anyone here really objects to that either.  It was more the manner in which it was discussed which disgusted some of the women.

    Now...  The real question is...  Are most teenage girls living in the modern world actually properly prepared to have children and care for them correctly in their teenage years? 

    In the medieval times and after that, by the time a young man or woman was 12, they were a LOT more mature and trained in the arts of their crafts than many people are until they are closer to 20.  This could be said for even only 100 years ago...  Most young men and women had at least parttime jobs at the age of 10 or 12.  Young ladies knew how to cook, take care of babies and everything necessary to marry earlier in life.  Yet...  Such is quite often rare these days. 

    I have seen it in some rare traditional Catholic families where the daughters might actually be trained well enough to be married at an eariler age, but I think that most fathers and mothers really wouldn't consider it until the girl was at least 16 or 18 and in accordance with state law for the sake of all the inconveniences and hardships that legally would come upon anyone who even considered marriage before that age.

    It is not being a feminist to merely explain that most women are not properly trained for marriage by the age of 14 and that it is general probably not for the best.  Yes, it is technically allowed by the Church (I don't think anyone here really contests that) but it is the minimum age not necessarily the ideal especially in our day and age.

    Are men attached to feminine youthfulness?  Yes.  But it can be said like that without throwing out other words which are more lewd.  I think that a good clean conversation about these topics can be done well when discussed properly but without name calling or throwing "feminist!" at the women and "pedo!" at the men.

    Peace be with you...all for the greater honor and glory of God!
    What a fabulous, balanced and respectful post.


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
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  • So, was the purpose of the original anonymous thread an attempt to "suss out" the female posters?  I hope not. 
    I don't think that was the case.

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  • Good points in bold.  I don't think anyone here really objects to the general topic of marriage. 

    I think that a reason the one thread got derailed more was because it was in the anonymous section and people could say whatever they wanted without being identified by everyone.

    Is it wrong for teenagers to get married?  Absolutely not in my opinion...  I don't think that anyone here really objects to that either.  It was more the manner in which it was discussed which disgusted some of the women.

    Now...  The real question is...  Are most teenage girls living in the modern world actually properly prepared to have children and care for them correctly in their teenage years? 

    In the medieval times and after that, by the time a young man or woman was 12, they were a LOT more mature and trained in the arts of their crafts than many people are until they are closer to 20.  This could be said for even only 100 years ago...  Most young men and women had at least parttime jobs at the age of 10 or 12.  Young ladies knew how to cook, take care of babies and everything necessary to marry earlier in life.  Yet...  Such is quite often rare these days. 

    I have seen it in some rare traditional Catholic families where the daughters might actually be trained well enough to be married at an eariler age, but I think that most fathers and mothers really wouldn't consider it until the girl was at least 16 or 18 and in accordance with state law for the sake of all the inconveniences and hardships that legally would come upon anyone who even considered marriage before that age.

    It is not being a feminist to merely explain that most women are not properly trained for marriage by the age of 14 and that it is general probably not for the best.  Yes, it is technically allowed by the Church (I don't think anyone here really contests that) but it is the minimum age not necessarily the ideal especially in our day and age.

    Are men attached to feminine youthfulness?  Yes.  But it can be said like that without throwing out other words which are more lewd.  I think that a good clean conversation about these topics can be done well when discussed properly but without name calling or throwing "feminist!" at the women and "pedo!" at the men.

    Peace be with you...all for the greater honor and glory of God!
    And what is holding the girls back from learning these skills at an early age? (((Education))). This is also effecting the men. Going to (((school))) is a waste of time for the most part, you learn next to nothing useful in todays education. Even 50 years ago both men and women still learnt real skills at school, now it's watered down or not at all.

    Shouldn't Catholic parents be raising their children in such a manner so that they are ready for marriage at the proper biological age which was always done throughout history (even before Christ) apart from 1500AD+ due to (((influences))), instead of following the standard of the world which encourages sin and improper marriage in which the wife does not properly obey her husband and where the husband has no authority over the children.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
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  • Good points in bold.  I don't think anyone here really objects to the general topic of marriage. 

    I think that a reason the one thread got derailed more was because it was in the anonymous section and people could say whatever they wanted without being identified by everyone.

    Is it wrong for teenagers to get married?  Absolutely not in my opinion...  I don't think that anyone here really objects to that either.  It was more the manner in which it was discussed which disgusted some of the women.

    Now...  The real question is...  Are most teenage girls living in the modern world actually properly prepared to have children and care for them correctly in their teenage years? 

    In the medieval times and after that, by the time a young man or woman was 12, they were a LOT more mature and trained in the arts of their crafts than many people are until they are closer to 20.  This could be said for even only 100 years ago...  Most young men and women had at least parttime jobs at the age of 10 or 12.  Young ladies knew how to cook, take care of babies and everything necessary to marry earlier in life.  Yet...  Such is quite often rare these days. 

    I have seen it in some rare traditional Catholic families where the daughters might actually be trained well enough to be married at an eariler age, but I think that most fathers and mothers really wouldn't consider it until the girl was at least 16 or 18 and in accordance with state law for the sake of all the inconveniences and hardships that legally would come upon anyone who even considered marriage before that age.

    It is not being a feminist to merely explain that most women are not properly trained for marriage by the age of 14 and that it is general probably not for the best.  Yes, it is technically allowed by the Church (I don't think anyone here really contests that) but it is the minimum age not necessarily the ideal especially in our day and age.

    Are men attached to feminine youthfulness?  Yes.  But it can be said like that without throwing out other words which are more lewd.  I think that a good clean conversation about these topics can be done well when discussed properly but without name calling or throwing "feminist!" at the women and "pedo!" at the men.

    Peace be with you...all for the greater honor and glory of God!
    See this sort of comment should have been posted on the other thread, instead of irrational pedo attacks.


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  • As long as the young lady is mature enough cognitively to give consent and her parents give consent it's not a sin for a man of any age to marry a woman under the age of 18.  Pedophilia is sɛҳuąƖ attraction to pre-pubescent children.  Marrying a teen girl legally and licitly is not pedophilia.  

    Women don't understand how men love.  They can fall in love in a month or less.  They can fall in love because of her physical beauty or charms.  And that love can last a lifetime.  Women love superficially towards their husbands but deeply towards their children.  And it's better this way as long as her respect for her husband remains.

    But is it prudent in these times?  He might be foolish for doing so and as they say "Marry in haste, repent in leisure." Caveat emptor.

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  • But is it prudent in these times?  He might be foolish for doing so and as they say "Marry in haste, repent in leisure." Caveat emptor.
    Or, as my Irish Grandmother used to say, “Puppy love leads to a dog’s life.” 

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  • What age roughly do you consider to be post-pubescence?

    Post-pubescence is, ipso facto, determined by biological manifestation, that is physiological age not chronological age.
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