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Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
« Reply #150 on: Yesterday at 06:13:39 PM »
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  • Nonsense. Far better to "protect" your daughters by being well-informed of reality than by hurling random insults and running away. I also disagree that they needed any protection at all from this discussion. And, how many of those so offended actually have teen daughters? Not many I suspect. It's perhaps more likely that they have single daughters in their mid-20s, but I don't really believe that's true either.
    I see the situation differently. The topic itself isn't inherently inappropriate and can certainly be discussed; however, the concerns raised by some women stem from an underlying — and at times, overt — tone present in some of the language used by certain men on this forum.
    Regarding the issue of insults, I reviewed posts from some of the more active contributors, both men and women, and it's clear that many of the men often lack basic civility, decorum, and manners in their responses.
    I don’t personally know the women who voiced objections, but I see no reason to doubt their sincerity — including their references to having daughters or young women in their lives. Unless you have specific reasons to question that, I’m not sure why it would be disputed.
    I also don’t understand the comment casting doubt on whether someone could have a daughter in her mid-20s. I honestly can't imagine what that’s supposed to imply.
    As for the accusation of "running away" — choosing to leave a conversation due to vulgarity or a refusal to even consider the possibility of sɛҳuąƖ impropriety is not cowardice. It’s a conscious decision to seek out a space that fosters greater respect and moral clarity.
    To ignore the potential concerns raised by the kind of language some posters are using is, at best, naive.
    Let’s not forget: Our Lady of Fatima specifically warned that sins of the flesh are a major reason souls are lost.
    And we are living in a time when child pornography and sex trafficking are at record highs. These are serious issues that warrant vigilance, not dismissal.


    Again- cнιℓd тrαffιcking is part of my actual job - I see red flags.






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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #151 on: Yesterday at 06:14:26 PM »
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  • Menarche isn't peak fertility though. That's like arguing that a 13 year old boy is in his prime and ready to breed because he's capable of ejaculation.

    Menarche may make pregnancy possible (in fact - it's always possible; there have been cases of very young girls getting pregnant), it doesn't mean that pregnancy is at its most likely or safest. Fertility continues to increase for several years after that, while the risks of pregnancy complications go down. According to the below, it would seem that fertility actually reaches its peak around 18 (and that doesn't mean it immediately starts falling from there).

    I really just don't get the obsession some of you have with age. Are younger women generally more attractive and fertile? Yes. But statements like "a man always prefers the younger woman" (right, because with each passing day after her mid-teens, a woman progressively shrivels up, to the extent that even the prettiest 25 year old is like a hag compared to a plain 15 year old? Humans don't age that fast!) or that a 22 year old is 10 years past the "flower of her age" are wildly extreme and also factually incorrect.

    The point that girls in their mid-teens are in fact women and eligible for marriage according to Canon Law and biology has been demonstrated. I think the issue people are having is not with that statement, but with the continual focus and fixation on the youngest women possible. It doesn't come across well.

    We could even make this objective and compile a list of actresses or other public women we could easily compare across ages. I guarantee I could show that, besides little to no decline in fertility, there is little to no decline in appearance until the late-20s, and that an obsession with teenagers' apparent superiority to 20somethings is wholly misplaced.
    Great post.


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #152 on: Yesterday at 06:22:37 PM »
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  • Again- cнιℓd тrαffιcking is part of my actual job - I see red flags.

    "I see red flags".

    Don't be coy or vague. Spit it out man.
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #153 on: Yesterday at 06:25:58 PM »
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  • Menarche isn't peak fertility though. That's like arguing that a 13 year old boy is in his prime and ready to breed because he's capable of ejaculation.

    Menarche may make pregnancy possible (in fact - it's always possible; there have been cases of very young girls getting pregnant), it doesn't mean that pregnancy is at its most likely or safest. Fertility continues to increase for several years after that, while the risks of pregnancy complications go down. According to the below, it would seem that fertility actually reaches its peak around 18 (and that doesn't mean it immediately starts falling from there).

    I really just don't get the obsession some of you have with age. Are younger women generally more attractive and fertile? Yes. But statements like "a man always prefers the younger woman" (right, because with each passing day after her mid-teens, a woman progressively shrivels up, to the extent that even the prettiest 25 year old is like a hag compared to a plain 15 year old? Humans don't age that fast!) or that a 22 year old is 10 years past the "flower of her age" are wildly extreme and also factually incorrect.

    The point that girls in their mid-teens are in fact women and eligible for marriage according to Canon Law and biology has been demonstrated. I think the issue people are having is not with that statement, but with the continual focus and fixation on the youngest women possible. It doesn't come across well.

    We could even make this objective and compile a list of actresses or other public women we could easily compare across ages. I guarantee I could show that, besides little to no decline in fertility, there is little to no decline in appearance until the late-20s, and that an obsession with teenagers' apparent superiority to 20somethings is wholly misplaced.
    You are arguing against the church. Case Closed Forever. 


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #154 on: Yesterday at 06:32:11 PM »
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  • And we are living in a time when child pornography and sex trafficking are at record highs. These are serious issues that warrant vigilance, not dismissal.

    Again- cнιℓd тrαffιcking is part of my actual job - I see red flags.
    So your job is your alibi and avenue for access. Have you sought help?
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #155 on: Yesterday at 06:45:09 PM »
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  • Don't be coy or vague. Spit it out man.
    What do you want? The names of the posters, the actual posts (if not deleted) or something else? Do you want this done openly? 

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    « Reply #156 on: Yesterday at 06:50:07 PM »
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  • So your job is your alibi and avenue for access. Have you sought help?
    Alibi for what? Access to what? 
    Sought for what? Could you communicate more clearly?

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #157 on: Yesterday at 06:51:13 PM »
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  • Alibi for what? Access to what?
    Sought for what? Could you communicate more clearly?
    Answer my question, boy. 
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    « Reply #158 on: Yesterday at 06:53:58 PM »
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  • Answer my question, boy.
    You communicate beneath the level of civility. Once you upgrade your communication skills- we can have a conversation.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #159 on: Yesterday at 06:56:15 PM »
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  • And we are living in a time when child pornography and sex trafficking are at record highs. These are serious issues that warrant vigilance, not dismissal.

    Again- cнιℓd тrαffιcking is part of my actual job - I see red flags.
    Huh, the fox guarding the hen house. 
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #160 on: Yesterday at 07:24:03 PM »
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  • What do you want? The names of the posters, the actual posts (if not deleted) or something else? Do you want this done openly?
    Give us the names of the groomers! This is a matter of public safety, there is no time for hesitation..act! :popcorn:
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #161 on: Yesterday at 07:36:47 PM »
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  • Alibi for what? Access to what?
    Sought for what? Could you communicate more clearly?

    Why should he? You're being vague as hell with your "I see red flags" comment. Is there something you wish to accuse someone of?
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    « Reply #162 on: Yesterday at 07:46:07 PM »
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  • Public Service Announcement:

    MEN aren't cowards. They don't play passive-aggressive games. They tell it like it is. They speak plainly and to-the-point. They don't beat around the bush.
    And if they have something against someone, they would say it to their face.

    In fact, I'll give the "devil" his due here, and say that WWSG gets high marks in this category. You got to give him that. Many of you could learn *that one thing* from him, where he has you beat. He doesn't mince words, he doesn't mince around like a passive-aggressive ...er... female dog.

    I am reminded of the letter that "8 parishioners" wrote to Fr. Rostand (back in 2012) complaining about my wife and I being volunteers at the SSPX chapel, since we supported the Resistance. Yes, I'm sure I could put some subliminal messages in my Gregorian chant.

    But my point? To this day I don't know who these people were. I don't doubt that some of them were "male" -- but none of them were MEN. You'd be *shocked* how few people even had the courage to tell me how they felt about Bp. Williamson's expulsion, Bp. Fellay's scandalous e-mail to the other 3 bishops, the Resistance, etc.
    None of them DARED start anything with me, because I was educated and well informed on the matter, and their pathetic secondhand propaganda talking points would be destroyed by me in minutes. And they knew it. So they limited themselves to talking about me behind my back, while smiling at me in person. Typical Texas behavior.
    I do recall that some people gave some of the Resistance parishioners a hard time -- because they were much less well informed. Such typical bully behavior: they pick on the weak, but if a strong man comes along, they put on their best behavior, because deep down they are cowards. They are always afraid to pick on someone who can defend himself.
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #163 on: Yesterday at 07:52:55 PM »
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  • What do you want? The names of the posters, the actual posts (if not deleted) or something else? Do you want this done openly?


    Whichever.

    I haven't seen anything on this thread to suggest CathInfo is even 1% more "risky" for picking out a random member and having them babysit your 9 and 11 year old girls, than the public at large.
    Apparently you disagree.
    I'd like to see the evidence for this.

    Being honest about an attraction to teen females is NOT the same as being "1 step closer to being a sex offender". That is utter BS.
    Admitting beauty or a physical attraction, and sin, are two completely different things. You can sin with just about anything, but sin is "neither here nor there" because sin is always forbidden, and everyone on CathInfo accepts this. No one here is planning to sin on purpose.
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    « Reply #164 on: Yesterday at 07:54:50 PM »
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  • I have enough Irish culture (and blood) in me to be bullcrap proof. I tell it like it is, and I don't play games.

    Maybe some guys would avoid dangerous situations, adultery, etc. if they were more HONEST with themselves about their attractions, weaknesses, etc.

    I'll say this: the truth NEVER HURT ANYONE. The truth is ALWAYS and IN EVERY CASE your friend -- even if it seems disagreeable at first. In the long run, it is always better to know & accept the truth, than to deceive yourself, lie to yourself, deceive others, play games, pretend, etc.

    I'll also say this: once you start lying to yourself, it's a slippery slope. It's hard to stop. Once you form the habit of rejecting known truth when it stares you in the face, then God help you! It could end with the rejection of God Himself, Who is Truth.


    I know a Trad lady who spoke of a young man as "being like one of her sons" only more pious, etc. She ended up committing adultery with him. If only she had admitted her attraction to a much younger man, she might have put herself on guard and removed herself from the occasion(s) of temptation before it was too late. But she obviously dallied with deceiving herself -- or the situation never could have turned out like it did. She wasn't a stupid lady. Self-deception is the worst thing ever.

    A famous example: guys will assume they're now temptation-proof because they are "old". BAD MOVE. It ends in disaster about 9 times out of 10.
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