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Offline WorldsAway

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Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2025, 05:50:23 PM »
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  • And that society is indoctrination by Jєωιѕн feminism. Even if the ladies are not intentionally feminists, the wag the act about certain topics is the same as actual feminists.
    Right, and "infected" is a fitting word to use here. Just as, I believe +Williamson said this, we are all infected with liberalism to varying degrees..the same is true for women and feminism 
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #106 on: May 18, 2025, 05:54:31 PM »
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  • Right, and "infected" is a fitting word to use here. Just as, I believe +Williamson said this, we are all infected with liberalism to varying degrees..the same is true for women and feminism
    I would also say we are all infected with gradualism as well. Morals and customs that were normal in a healthy Catholic society are now considered extreme, even by Trads. And I'm not only referring to marriage age here.


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #107 on: May 18, 2025, 06:02:00 PM »
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  • 'mama bears' calling men pedos is not normal human behaviour, it is a testament of the times, the ideology of feminism.
    I just typed a reply.  And then I was going to ask "What will it take to get you to stop bringing up this topic?"  Then I realized that you will always bring up this topic and there is nothing I can do.  :facepalm::jester:::)  Ok.  Lesson learned.  Moving on. :fryingpan:
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #108 on: May 18, 2025, 06:20:07 PM »
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  • I just typed a reply.  And then I was going to ask "What will it take to get you to stop bringing up this topic?"  Then I realized that you will always bring up this topic and there is nothing I can do.  :facepalm::jester:::)  Ok.  Lesson learned.  Moving on. :fryingpan:
    I will continue to bring it up whenever you or anyone try to justify attacking men for being men. In this case some women have attacked men as pedos and you have justified it as simple motherly protection. I don't know any kind and gentle mothers that would use that term.

    Why would women call me pedos for preferring teen girls to older girls?
    Is it biologically strange? No.
    Is it historically strange? No.
    Is it ideologically strange? Depends on the ideology. Now which ideology attacks men as pedos for their biology/history? Feminism.

    I am trying to get you ladies to understand this.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #109 on: May 18, 2025, 06:41:03 PM »
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  • I will continue to bring it up whenever you or anyone try to justify attacking men for being men. In this case some women have attacked men as pedos and you have justified it as simple motherly protection. I don't know any kind and gentle mothers that would use that term.

    Why would women call me pedos for preferring teen girls to older girls?
    Is it biologically strange? No.
    Is it historically strange? No.
    Is it ideologically strange? Depends on the ideology. Now which ideology attacks men as pedos for their biology/history? Feminism.

    I am trying to get you ladies to understand this.
    I think I understand.  AnthonyPadua is not a pedo. I am sorry you were called that.

    Here is the thing.  I want to be understood just as much as you want to be understood.  CathInfo is not a platform for people to actually understand each other.  It is a place to discuss topics.  Like the men constantly remind me "Facts, just the facts, Ma'am." :cowboy:
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #110 on: May 18, 2025, 06:52:56 PM »
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  • I think I understand.  AnthonyPadua is not a pedo. I am sorry you were called that.

    Here is the thing.  I want to be understood just as much as you want to be understood.  CathInfo is not a platform for people to actually understand each other.  It is a place to discuss topics.  Like the men constantly remind me "Facts, just the facts, Ma'am." :cowboy:
    It's not about me in particular. Discussing topics can help people understand each other. I hope the ladies understand the points that have been made and what men's perspective is. Altogether the ladies that need to hear it the most have already left the forum..

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #111 on: May 18, 2025, 06:55:57 PM »
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  • I disagree, if the women have older daughters they may be worried that the 'good' (attractive) men will skip them for the teen girls. Hence a need to stop other women's daughters from being options by social engineering (making it socially unacceptable for men, eg calling them pedos).
    That wasn't the point of my post.  Go back and re-read my interaction with Mater.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #112 on: May 18, 2025, 06:56:48 PM »
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  • Should CathInfo allow members to discuss, philosophically, the ideal age of marriage, modern marriage trends (marrying later and later, fewer and fewer children, etc.)
    Of course. It will be useful to those looking for a wife.

    Or is even discussing "marriage" and "under 18s" in the same sentence automatically lewd and obscene?
    The holy and pure St. Thomas is noway lewd when he writes (Summa suppl. q. 58 a. 5 co.):
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    …if the parties who marry before the age of puberty have marital intercourse before the aforesaid age, their marriage is none the less perpetually indissoluble.

    So the holy Sacrament of Matrimony is automatically "lewd" now, just because it implicitly includes the begetting of children?
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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #113 on: May 18, 2025, 07:19:00 PM »
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  • That wasn't the point of my post.  Go back and re-read my interaction with Mater.
    So was the point the last statement? That other reasons were at play? If so I do not understand.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #114 on: May 18, 2025, 07:23:25 PM »
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  • For those downvoting, consider biology. The average age of menarche is 12. By 22 that's 10 yrs of youth. The flower of her age. Do you think a women's fertility being lower than her peak is the flower of her age? Her youth? Ridiculous. If a flower has started to wither then it's past its prime, it's visibly in its 
    Call me feminist if you want but a grown man seriously looking at a 12 year old is a pervert.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #115 on: May 18, 2025, 07:29:29 PM »
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  • Call me feminist if you want but a grown man seriously looking at a 12 year old is a pervert.
    :facepalm: woosh


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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #116 on: May 18, 2025, 07:30:19 PM »
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  • So was the point the last statement? That other reasons were at play? If so I do not understand.
    I am confused. What are you trying to say? What don't you understand?

    I think 2Vermont is trying to say feminism is not the only reason many women were upset with the conversation. It might have had to do with there own personal experiences that triggered an aggressive response. (If i am wrong 2Vermont, please correct  me) We won't know they aren't explaining themselves. I did explain my reasons in a private message to both you and Pax.

    I thing the main lesson is there is no simple answer to understanding women.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #117 on: May 18, 2025, 07:40:19 PM »
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  • Call me feminist if you want but a grown man seriously looking at a 12 year old is a pervert.
    None of the men are really looking at 12 year olds. They are talking hypotheticals to discuss theories and to discuss what church laws say and state laws say. 


    Have you read the entire thread?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #118 on: May 18, 2025, 08:32:49 PM »
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  • Call me feminist if you want but a grown man seriously looking at a 12 year old is a pervert.
    Are you trolling? It was already pointed out by Everlast that trad men aren't interested in 12 yr olds (and he was attacked as a pedo). The only exception to this would be if a 12yr old looks 16 due to hitting menarche much earlier than the average women, say ~7, that would roughly put them in the same development level as a normal 16yr old when they are 12. Of course that is an outlier and parents will need to adjust their expectations accordingly.

    Also the definition of pervert is
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    a person whose sɛҳuąƖ behaviour is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

    Do you think that a man looking at a young teens beauty/youth/charm is the same as looking with lust? Of course you are also making an exaggeration by using a 12y old for you example. Is it abnormal for men to be attracted to teens? Biology and history show that it was normal, it's only considered abnormal and unacceptable by some groups in today's world (there are still plenty of secular people who are fine with an age gap).

    I think that most guys prefer late teens to mid teens, at 17 a women has already developed enough to be considered 'finished' while still retaining her youthful charm and appeal, while also in her peak fertility. Also her mental maturity/brain development is basically done, no need for Jєωιѕн propaganda citing "structural brain development" as females have a less rational nature to males and are not the ones who lead. While a 15 yr old might be considered cute/beautiful, she usually does not have the mature womanly charm that a late teen/early 20s has.


    So here is a question for people who have tried courting or are already married. Did your trad group/priest recommend or require a certain amount of time for dating/courtship before allowing you to get married? And how long was your marriage prep? And was it mandatory? 

    Using a hypothetical. If 18 is the ideal age for a women to get married then when should she court? If a trad group requires 5 months minimum for courtship and 12 months for marriage prep, then by the time you are actually married the 18yr old would either be 19, 20 or 21. So in that particular example wouldn't it be more ideal for her to court at 15/16 so when she is actually married she is 17/18/19?

    Keep in mind these ages are based on that hypothetical time frames as I do not know what each trad group requires/recommends.

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    Re: MAKE YOUR CASE - Discussion of marriage age allowed?
    « Reply #119 on: May 18, 2025, 08:42:39 PM »
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  • I am confused. What are you trying to say? What don't you understand?

    I think 2Vermont is trying to say feminism is not the only reason many women were upset with the conversation. It might have had to do with there own personal experiences that triggered an aggressive response. (If i am wrong 2Vermont, please correct  me) We won't know they aren't explaining themselves. I did explain my reasons in a private message to both you and Pax.

    I thing the main lesson is there is no simple answer to understanding women.
    I don't know her point.

    2Vermont bolded this part of Mater's reply

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    And, how many of those so offended actually have teen daughters? Not many I suspect

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    I don't think the age of someone's daughter should matter.  I would imagine that mothers of young daughters can also have such a reaction; however, I also think that having a daughter was only one reason for some of the reactions. I think other things were at play.

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    I disagree, if the women have older daughters they may be worried that the 'good' (attractive) men will skip them for the teen girls. Hence a need to stop other women's daughters from being options by social engineering (making it socially unacceptable for men, eg calling them pedos).


    My response was on her statement that the age of someone's daughter shouldn't matter. My response points out that a mother may feel like the other younger girls may be competition if she has an older daughter.

    With secular women it's common that they give each other bad advice and try to bring them down, even if they don't realise it. E.g A married women or an unmarried women may tell a teenage girl to play around and "find herself" or "travel" before "settling down", in this case the unmarried women wants to destroy her because she already got destroyed. While the married women may not realise she is trying to destroy her, it's still bad advice, but she already 'got hers' if you know what I mean.

    Now while Trad women may nor or shouldn't be like that, sometimes people do things without realising it. As for the other part of 2Vermont's statement, I can not think of any reason why a women with young daughters would have such a reaction unless she didn't want her daughters to get married young, but even then that reaction is very strong and unnatural, hence why I call it feminism, as there is a big difference between saying "my daughter is not ready yet" vs "oh you are a pedo for liking my young girl".

    So what about things were at play? If you say it's because of "unwanted attention" that these girls or their mothers have already received then is that really from Catholic men or secular men? And are the women exaggerating the unwanted attention? While there is certainly women who get vulgar comments and experiences from men, there is also a tendency to feel terrible with a man's flirting/compliments if he is unattractive and ungroomed. Another user (I think female) pointed out that modern women do not know how to respond properly to men's natural flirting (though some men go overboard or are inappropriate, either because they have no morals or are just awkward).