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Offline Last Tradhican

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Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
« on: July 03, 2021, 10:56:44 AM »
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  • The slide down to a totalitarian world will continue at the current lightning speed,  till enough Catholics return to LIVE the faith. It only took 10 good men to save Sơdơm & Gomorrah, nevertheless, they were not to be found. Similarly today, it does not take every Catholic to save the world, however,  I see scarcely any Catholics really living the faith, even in SSPX chapels.One would at least expect to have a majority of Catholics living the faith in SSPX chapels, however, that is not the case, one only finds maybe at most 10%?  

    If a Catholic compares himself to the world, they will certainly come to conclude that they are holy, however, the Church has always taught that we must compare ourselves to the best, not the worst. Unless you are constantly living by the advice below, you may be part of the problem and not know it. Just finding Cathinfo and reading what people post here, which is not heard anywhere, is a great gift from God, do not think that you will be saved by just reading what you should be doing. The knowledge that has been given to you by God is a two edged sword, and it can be your condemnation if you want to continue playing games with God, if you wish to continue treading the ordinary paths:  


    They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)


    They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)


    The average Joe in the pew cannot change the world, he can however change himself and his wife and children. In fact, it is his duty and vocation to change his little part of the world, his family. If every Catholic father created a Catholic world in his home, the rest of the world would quickly halt it's slide into the abyss of slavery and begin the turn towards light, the true freedom of the Catholic Faith LIVED.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #1 on: July 03, 2021, 01:34:58 PM »
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  • Sobering but completely true.

    We all need to meditate on this -- print it out and put it on our wall, our desk, our bedside.
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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #2 on: July 03, 2021, 02:57:35 PM »
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  • They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    This is the biggest error of our times.  People thinking they can be saved just being a nominal Catholic.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2021, 05:22:22 AM »
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  • Last Tradhican comes off pharisaic to me







    Lord I thank thee that I am not like these other trads.

    Its kinda sad he's being encouraged in that. IMO.  I'm not a 100 percent sspx apologist (contra what some people on here might think) but I seriously have a hard time believing "nobody takes the faith seriously but me" should be taken seriously 






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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2021, 05:40:06 AM »
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    Lord I thank thee that I am not like these other trads.

    Its kinda sad he's being encouraged in that. IMO.  I'm not a 100 percent sspx apologist (contra what some people on here might think) but I seriously have a hard time believing "nobody takes the faith seriously but me" should be taken seriously
    It's hard to say he's being pharisaic. He's not implying it as a judgment on other Catholics in comparison with himself, but merely making a statement that we cannot just presume we are going to be saved because we are traditionalists. Many, many saints of the Church would meditate on the fewness of the saved out of a humble recognition that God's judgment is severe. Simply being a trad contrary to the wider Godless, hedonistic culture is not a guarantee of an escape from the judgment that God has with all of His children. Whether this is a small percentage of even those who are traditionalists, as Tradhican states, is utterly unknown. It could be as few as 1% of all traditionalists, or as many as 49.9%, or even 90%. We will not know until we die.

    The best we can do is avoid sin, receive the Sacraments in good faith, accept the state in life God has given us and do His will within that state to the best degree possible with the hope of dying in a state of grace. Some trads have the blessing of being able to rear their whole families as Catholic traditionalists, others the bitter cross (like me) of the difficulties brought on by a later conversion, while others go it completely alone or have limited access to the true Mass. We each get our lot in life and have to accept it as God's will and do our best with what we are given.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2021, 06:23:16 AM »
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  • Or they’ll be converted.  Recall Last Trad that you didn’t always live a good Catholic life ... by your own admission.  God could have just as easily “abandoned” you.

    God will use a chastisement to wake people up, not only the lukewarm but also many of the bad.  God alone knows the state of each soul.  I don’t believe that God ever abandons anyone while in this life.  They abandon Him.

    Pride can be a bigger reason for separation from God than lukewarm-ness, a bigger obstacle to God’s grace.

    It’s OK to call out lukewarmness out of charity, but only God can judge souls.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #6 on: July 04, 2021, 10:10:20 AM »
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  • It's hard to say he's being pharisaic. He's not implying it as a judgment on other Catholics in comparison with himself, but merely making a statement that we cannot just presume we are going to be saved because we are traditionalists. Many, many saints of the Church would meditate on the fewness of the saved out of a humble recognition that God's judgment is severe. Simply being a trad contrary to the wider Godless, hedonistic culture is not a guarantee of an escape from the judgment that God has with all of His children. Whether this is a small percentage of even those who are traditionalists, as Tradhican states, is utterly unknown. It could be as few as 1% of all traditionalists, or as many as 49.9%, or even 90%. We will not know until we die.

    The best we can do is avoid sin, receive the Sacraments in good faith, accept the state in life God has given us and do His will within that state to the best degree possible with the hope of dying in a state of grace. Some trads have the blessing of being able to rear their whole families as Catholic traditionalists, others the bitter cross (like me) of the difficulties brought on by a later conversion, while others go it completely alone or have limited access to the true Mass. We each get our lot in life and have to accept it as God's will and do our best with what we are given.
    The writer above read what I wrote, got it,  and accepted it without any seeing anything personal against him in it. It reminds me of the first time I heard Bp. Williamson saying that men should not wear shorts, and why. I had never heard that before. I immediately stopped wearing shorts. I had no attachment to shorts.

    (* The OP is about  that no worldly solution has ever or will ever stop the downward spiral into totalitarianism we are witnessing today and that only Catholics really living the faith can save the world.)
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #7 on: July 04, 2021, 10:21:40 AM »
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  • Last Tradhican comes off pharisaic to me
    The  above comes off as a person with a chip on his shoulder, a person that wants to keep his shorts. By focusing on his shorts he does not see the message:


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    The slide down to a totalitarian world will continue at the current lightning speed,  till enough Catholics return to LIVE the faith. It only took 10 good men to save Sơdơm & Gomorrah, nevertheless, they were not to be found. Similarly today, it does not take every Catholic to save the world, however,  I see scarcely any Catholics really living the faith
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #8 on: July 04, 2021, 10:26:39 AM »
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  • Or they’ll be converted.  Recall Last Trad that you didn’t always live a good Catholic life ... by your own admission.  God could have just as easily “abandoned” you.

    God will use a chastisement to wake people up, not only the lukewarm but also many of the bad.  God alone knows the state of each soul.  I don’t believe that God ever abandons anyone while in this life.  They abandon Him.

    Pride can be a bigger reason for separation from God than lukewarm-ness, a bigger obstacle to God’s grace.

    It’s OK to call out lukewarmness out of charity, but only God can judge souls.
    I do not see any relation between this response and the subject of the OP. 


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    The slide down to a totalitarian world will continue at the current lightning speed,  till enough Catholics return to LIVE the faith. It only took 10 good men to save Sơdơm & Gomorrah, nevertheless, they were not to be found. Similarly today, it does not take every Catholic to save the world, however,  I see scarcely any Catholics really living the faith
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #9 on: July 04, 2021, 01:05:04 PM »
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  • St Maximillian Kolbe, who died during WW2, said that once Our Lady has as many true soldiers as there are communists, then She will have the victory.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #10 on: July 04, 2021, 04:19:39 PM »
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  • Here's what I was reading just now in Imitation of the Sacred Heart, relevant to the discussion here:

    On Judgment:
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    3. For all things, whether they be known or unknown, are in My sight; nor is there any thing hidden from My eyes.
    Yet, searching I will search the heart, from the first dawn of its reason, even to the last breath of its life.
    From it will I draw forth every will, be it public or private: whether its own work, or that of another; whether great or small; whatever thou hast committed by thought, and word, and deed, and omission.
    And not only of things evil, but also of those that are vain, or idle, or useless, will I exact an account.
    Nay more, justice itself will I judge: I will weigh, in the scales of the sanctuary, even thy good deeds, and see what was wanting in them; either in the motive, in the manner of doing, or in the end intended, scrutinizing whether all was supernatural and perfect.
    Then, many things, which, during life, appeared good, shall be found void and evil.
    Then, the showy semblances of the virtues of the lukewarm, shall be seen as they are, and shall be cast aside, as dry stubble, fit only to be burnt.
    And searching still further, I will seek out the fruit of all the favors which I bestow, of all the graces, of all the means of salvation and perfection. 
    Yea, I will summon time itself against thee, and I will thoroughly investigate in what manner thou didst use it.
    4. What shalt thou do then, O sinner, when even the just shall hardly be secure?
    Above thee thou shalt descry a heaven uncertain; below, the yawning abyss; at thy right, Angels as witnesses; at thy left, demons enraged; before thee, the Supreme Arbiter of life and death. -ch. XXIV, p. 140-141

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #11 on: July 04, 2021, 05:20:26 PM »
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    It's hard to say he's being pharisaic. He's not implying it as a judgment on other Catholics in comparison with himself, but merely making a statement that we cannot just presume we are going to be saved because we are traditionalists
    If that was what he meant, he could've said that.  And yet he didn't.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #12 on: July 04, 2021, 05:34:57 PM »
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  • I do not see any relation between this response and the subject of the OP.

    Uhm, you stated that they'll be abandoned (it's right there in the subject line) and I responded that you don't know that, since God can convert them just as he converted you.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #13 on: July 04, 2021, 05:38:59 PM »
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  • Last Tradhican comes off pharisaic to me







    Lord I thank thee that I am not like these other trads.

    Its kinda sad he's being encouraged in that. IMO.  I'm not a 100 percent sspx apologist (contra what some people on here might think) but I seriously have a hard time believing "nobody takes the faith seriously but me" should be taken seriously

    If I could upvote this 1000 times, I would.

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    Re: Lukewarm Trads Will be Abandoned
    « Reply #14 on: July 04, 2021, 06:20:22 PM »
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  • The writer above read what I wrote, got it,  and accepted it without any seeing anything personal against him in it. It reminds me of the first time I heard Bp. Williamson saying that men should not wear shorts, and why. I had never heard that before. I immediately stopped wearing shorts. I had no attachment to shorts.

    (* The OP is about  that no worldly solution has ever or will ever stop the downward spiral into totalitarianism we are witnessing today and that only Catholics really living the faith can save the world.)

    When did Bp. Williamson say this and what was his rationale? I've never heard this