Author Topic: low wages are tough love (Read 3677 times)

Tiffany · « **on:** May 23, 2014, 04:15:05 AM »

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watch-rand-paul-poverty-wages-are-tough-love-people-have-to-accept/

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2014, 04:53:09 AM »

That concept is contrary to what the Catholic Church has to say about economic justice. I suggest studying Rerum Novarum by Pope Leo XIII.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2014, 09:58:40 AM »

Quote from: poche

That concept is contrary to what the Catholic Church has to say about economic justice. I suggest studying Rerum Novarum by Pope Leo XIII.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

Oh yes, I am sure that Leo XIII would be in favor of workers receiving higher wages so they would have higher taxes and those taxes could go toward forwarding the cause of abortion. Sure, Poche.

Let's all do a careful re-reading of Rerum Novarum.

Tiffany · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2014, 12:59:38 PM »

CaptM a just wage is Catholic teaching.

Ursus · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2014, 10:42:36 PM »

Isn't unfair wages one of those sins that cries out to Heaven?

poche · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2014, 11:33:49 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: poche
That concept is contrary to what the Catholic Church has to say about economic justice. I suggest studying Rerum Novarum by Pope Leo XIII.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

Oh yes, I am sure that Leo XIII would be in favor of workers receiving higher wages so they would have higher taxes and those taxes could go toward forwarding the cause of abortion. Sure, Poche.

Let's all do a careful re-reading of Rerum Novarum.

Pope Leo wrote in favor of workers recieving a living wage, that is enough to support a family

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2014, 11:45:55 PM »

Quote from: Ursus

Isn't unfair wages one of those sins that cries out to Heaven?

yes

Marlelar · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2014, 12:10:25 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Ursus
Isn't unfair wages one of those sins that cries out to Heaven?

yes

No, it is DEFRAUDING a worker of his just wages (i.e. payment for work done) that is the sin that cries out to heaven.

Flipping burgers is an entry level job, not a career. Just because someone WANTS/has to do it full time does not mean that it SHOULD be considered a full time career. There will be no incentive to become better trained and move up in the world if every single job has to pay what someone would consider a "living wage", which is a very ambiguous term. What I need to live on maybe more or less than you need to live on.

I realize that some people work at these jobs because they can't find anything else but that does not justify corrupting the whole system. The real problem is our government deliberately ruining our economy by making it more profitable for companies to move their plants off-shore thereby doing away with skilled and semi-skilled jobs.

I think that what some consider "unjust wages" is actually the fruit of the problem, not the root of the problem.

We need to address the root problem before there will be meaningful reform. I suggest we throw out all 500+ members of Congress at the next election, establish a two term limit and begin again with new blood.

Marsha

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2014, 03:07:50 PM »

Most people complaining about a living wage are either union/communist agitators or people with their souls corroded with envy.

I have yet to come across a man dying of starvation on the streets of St. Louis but one night I was returning home from work and says a panhandlers shift change - a van dropped off a man carrying a "will work for food" sign while picking up another one. Grifters, that is what they are.

Life is good.

-----> For those in spiritual need.

Tiffany · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2014, 09:05:51 AM »

The Church teaches a just wage that is enough to support the many needs of a family. The fast food jobs are only for high school students is GOP talk not Catholic teaching.

CaptM because you haven't met people who are in need of food or other necessities doesn't mean they don't exist.

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2014, 11:59:26 PM »

Let's establish some facts here.

A) There is no real poverty in the Western world. There hasn't been for generations. The West is rich. So the possibility that people have such low income (from wages and income redistribution) that they cannot even put food in the mouths of their children or some clothing on their backs is extremely slim, if not non-existent.

B) What Rand Paul said was basic economics. Wages are determined by supply and demand. If people demand a particular wage, but businesses cannot afford that wage rate, those people remain unemployed. Wages therefore have to fall to provide incentives for businesses to employ. What would you prefer, a lower wage or no wage at all?

crossbro · « **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2014, 12:08:41 AM »

Low wages do not necessarily equate unfair wages.

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately ?

If you have no marketable skills and 6 other people and you want the same job shoveling fries a low wage is not necessarily unfair.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2014, 12:59:44 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Most people complaining about a living wage are either union/communist agitators or people with their souls corroded with envy.

I have yet to come across a man dying of starvation on the streets of St. Louis but one night I was returning home from work and says a panhandlers shift change - a van dropped off a man carrying a "will work for food" sign while picking up another one. Grifters, that is what they are.

Life is good.

-----> For those in spiritual need.

Are you saying that Pope Leo was a union/communist agitator?

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** May 27, 2014, 01:02:42 AM »

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

Let's establish some facts here.

A) There is no real poverty in the Western world. There hasn't been for generations. The West is rich. So the possibility that people have such low income (from wages and income redistribution) that they cannot even put food in the mouths of their children or some clothing on their backs is extremely slim, if not non-existent.

B) What Rand Paul said was basic economics. Wages are determined by supply and demand. If people demand a particular wage, but businesses cannot afford that wage rate, those people remain unemployed. Wages therefore have to fall to provide incentives for businesses to employ. What would you prefer, a lower wage or no wage at all?

Maybe because it is not visible but there are people who are out there living in the street. I know there are some municipalities which want to criminalize this type of poverty. Poverty does exist in this country.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 27, 2014, 01:35:58 AM »

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

Let's establish some facts here.

A) There is no real poverty in the Western world. There hasn't been for generations. The West is rich. So the possibility that people have such low income (from wages and income redistribution) that they cannot even put food in the mouths of their children or some clothing on their backs is extremely slim, if not non-existent.

B) What Rand Paul said was basic economics. Wages are determined by supply and demand. If people demand a particular wage, but businesses cannot afford that wage rate, those people remain unemployed. Wages therefore have to fall to provide incentives for businesses to employ. What would you prefer, a lower wage or no wage at all?

I find it sickening that you have a photo of a man who personally starved to death 1 million Germans in American camps during the war but nevertheless...

Wages actually can and should be determined by the government. That is exactly the problem with you libertarians. You have no actual experience working, doing pure manual labor, and because of this enthusiastically support all pro-business policies. However business has to be conformed to national interests and should be punished if it goes outside of that. I would prefer a moral society that is willing to pay people descently they can live descently to answer your question.