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Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
« on: January 21, 2025, 05:09:24 PM »
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  • Hi, everybody:

    I'm looking for old SSPX booklets and devotionaries that included NO attendance as a sin as part of the examination of conscience.

    I've seen pictures of those booklets posted here at Cathinfo sometimes, but I can't find them now. Can you help me find those threads?

    Also, if you have one of those booklets in Spanish, I'd really appreciate if you post a pic of the relevant part.

    Thank you. God bless.
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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2025, 05:40:15 PM »
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  • It is in an older version of the Spiritual Warfare book.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"


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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2025, 07:06:23 PM »
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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2025, 04:21:12 AM »
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  • I think you may be looking for the examination of conscience pamphlet. It is still available at Angelus Press. 

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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2025, 08:08:18 AM »
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  • Christian Warfare 2009 SSPX published in Canada

    Novus ordo attendance sinful - page 1 - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info
    Thank you, BOTHY. This is exactly what I saw a while ago.

    Thank you too, St. Giles and Heavy Handed.

    Does anybody have something similar but in Spanish?
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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2025, 02:20:59 PM »
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  • Have the SSPX ever claimed that attending a diocesan tridentine is a sin?

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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2025, 06:46:32 PM »
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  • I’m sorry I cannot provide a copy or page photo, but there used to be what was known as the “blue” prayer book sold in SSPX stores, perhaps a TAN reprint. The older additions included attendance at the novus ordo as a mortal sin in the exam of conscience section. The book was an English translation of a French prayer book with a few additions/subtractions. There were a few sins left in the examine which seemed to me archaic, not likely to be claimed by your average American Catholic, much less traditional Catholic. Two examples I recall were, “Have you been ashamed of your parents’ poverty?”  
    “Have you permitted your cattle to destroy your neighbor’s crops or property?”
    Not to say these wouldn’t be sins, but that they’re probably not often heard in the confessional! 
    My best guess is that attending the novus ordo was added by the SSPX and the latter two were simply not removed.

    I’m also interested if someone can produce photos of these. I think my prayer book was purchased in the early 2000’s. 

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    Looking for Catholic sources on the historicity of the Resurrection
    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2025, 04:25:15 PM »
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  • Our Lord is risen! Happy Easter, everybody!

    I'm looking for Catholic books, articles, treatises about the historicity of the Resurrection of Our Lord. 

    I know that there are several ways to argue it. For example: the fact that women were the first witnesses of the miracle in a culture that distrusted the testimony of women. Also, the fact that the Gospels tell about the Apostles being weak at times, making mistakes, when you would expect a more embellished portrait of them if it all were their invention. 

    If I google those arguments I get a million sources, but they are mostly protestant. Do you know any Catholic books or articles about that subject? I would like to share them with a young man who's open to converting to Catholicism. What a better time to share that info than Easter? Prayers for this young man's conversion are also appreciated.

    God bless you all! Our Lady keep you under her mantle.
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    Re: Looking for old SSPX booklets that listed NO attendance as sin
    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2025, 04:31:11 PM »
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  • I’m sorry I cannot provide a copy or page photo, but there used to be what was known as the “blue” prayer book sold in SSPX stores, perhaps a TAN reprint. The older additions included attendance at the novus ordo as a mortal sin in the exam of conscience section. The book was an English translation of a French prayer book with a few additions/subtractions. There were a few sins left in the examine which seemed to me archaic, not likely to be claimed by your average American Catholic, much less traditional Catholic. Two examples I recall were, “Have you been ashamed of your parents’ poverty?” 
    “Have you permitted your cattle to destroy your neighbor’s crops or property?”
    Not to say these wouldn’t be sins, but that they’re probably not often heard in the confessional!
    My best guess is that attending the novus ordo was added by the SSPX and the latter two were simply not removed.

    I’m also interested if someone can produce photos of these. I think my prayer book was purchased in the early 2000’s.
    It's the Christian Warfare book
    It states (page 289 in the 2006 edition) we find the following:



    Have you attended and actively participated in the "New Mass"? Have you received Holy Communion in the hand?



    In the new edition, this sentence was replaced with:



    Have you received Holy Communion in the hand knowing that it leads to Sacrilege and loss of faith in the Real Presence?
    Have you attended and actively participated in non-Catholic religious services?

    Some People call me a Radical Traditionalist but others call me Shizo.....Oh well :trollface:

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    Re: Looking for Catholic sources on the historicity of the Resurrection
    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2025, 06:29:16 PM »
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  • Our Lord is risen! Happy Easter, everybody!

    I'm looking for Catholic books, articles, treatises about the historicity of the Resurrection of Our Lord.

    I know that there are several ways to argue it. For example: the fact that women were the first witnesses of the miracle in a culture that distrusted the testimony of women....

    God bless you all! Our Lady keep you under her mantle.
    Just posting a few common facts about Our Lord's Resurrection.
    Bishop Williamson had a 5 minute audio discussion about this, but of course I can't remember where that was found. He emphatically made the observation that ONE facet of the Resurrection is enough to positively conclude that Jesus had resurrected. It was this:

    "Where is THE BODY?"

    Who can find the body, anyone?  Look, there was a "Guard" of Joowish soldiers, maybe 10 soldiers guarding the tomb! Where is the body? How could anyone steal Our Lord's body? The sepulcher was hewn in solid rock, so no one could undermine. See Number 7 at bottom.
    When the Pharisees learnt this, they had every means available (+W> like the iws have even to the present haha), to find the body.  That was top of mind for the Authorities...gotta find the Body! But alas no Body was found.
    Matthew 28: 13 -15. As St. Augustine explains, taking a jab at the iws:' Is this the best you could find...the testimony of sleeping witnesses.!'

    Another fact: The Institution of  ' S U N D A Y '.  We live it every week, and the world has been altered ever since. Sunday, even in the present corrupted society, is still the best day of the week. The First day of the week no less.  I remember about 10 years ago, there was a calendar that had Monday as the first day...I don't expect they will try printing that again. A solid part of our culture and traditions, there is no denying that. But immigrants might succeed, unfortunately.
    Plus, all the apostles suffered martyrdom, because they saw the resurrected Christ, and were able to face death for preaching that historical fact.

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    https://www.foicatholique.com/2024/03/4-faits-soutenant-l-historicite-de-la-resurrection-de-jesus.html

    Google translation
    The resurrection of Jesus is one of the foundations of the Christian faith, supported not only by religious beliefs but also by convincing historical evidence. This paper explores four essential facts that together form a solid argument in favor of the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus, ...These facts are crucial to understanding why the resurrection is seen by many as a historical event.

    1. The Death of Jesus by Crucifixion
    The first indisputable fact was the death of Jesus by crucifixion under the government of Pontius Pilate. This event is largely attested by Christian, Jєωιѕн, and Roman sources, making it difficult to refute. The crucifixion of Jesus is recognized as a historical fact due to the convergence of these testimonies from various sources, thus providing a solid basis for the argumentation of the resurrection.
    [Crucifying criminals was THE form of capital punishment for the Romans. They also broke the legs to expedite the death. Fast forward to the Holy Shroud, the legs were not broken, as the Scriptures had foretold, which is in itself a mind-boggling fact! Td.]

    2. The Empty Tomb
    The second fact is the discovery of the empty tomb. The accounts of the Gospels, corroborated by the practices and beliefs of the early Christian community, attest that the tomb in which Jesus was buried was found empty on the third day after his crucifixion. The fact that this discovery was initially reported by women, considered at the time as less reliable witnesses, reinforces the credibility of these accounts, suggesting that they would not be the product of inventions or subsequent modifications.


    3. The Post-mortem Appearances of Jesus
    The third fact relates to the appearances of Jesus after his death, reported by multiple witnesses in different places and at different times. These appearances include encounters with skeptical disciples, isolated individuals, and groups, reinforcing the argument for the reality of these events. The existence of these testimonies in the New Testament writings and among the early Christian communities serves as further proof of the authenticity of the experiences of these witnesses.

    4. The Transformation of Disciples
    The fourth and final fact is the radical transformation of the followers of Jesus. Before the resurrection, they were described as fearful and uncertain, but after witnessing post-resurrection events, they became bold preachers of the Good News, ready to suffer and even die for their faith. This transformation is difficult to explain without recognizing the profound impact that the experience of resurrection has had on them.

    Conclusion
    These four facts, supported by a multitude of sources and testimonies, provide a convincing framework for considering the resurrection of Jesus as a historic event. The convergence of evidence from the death of Jesus, the discovery of the empty tomb, the post-mortem apparitions, and the transformation of the disciples, is a powerful argument in favour of the authenticity of the resurrection, emphasizing its

    ***************
    https://www.biblica.com/articles/7-fascinating-facts-about-the-real-easter-story/

    6. NASA Has Confirmed Something Mind-Boggling About the Day Jesus Died
    “From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.” (Matthew 27:45 NIV).
    The darkening of the skies for three hours before Jesus died was observed and recorded by Matthew, Mark (Mark 15:33 NIV) and Luke (Luke 23:44 NIV).
    Could God have used a solar eclipse to darken the skies prior to the death of His son? A solar eclipse takes place when the moon crosses between the earth and the sun, creating partial to full blockage of the sun’s light.
    Scholars put the date of Jesus’ death between the years 26 A.D. and 36 A.D., with many pinpointing the date of April 3, 33 A.D. Charting the trajectory and speed of stars and planets, NASA has created historic maps of eclipses through the centuries.
    But based on these maps, no solar eclipse is recorded as having occurred over Jerusalem during the time of Jesus’ death.
    NASA charts do reveal, however, the occurrence of a rather interesting lunar eclipse. A lunar eclipse takes place when not the moon itself but the moon’s shadow crosses the sun and darkens the skies.
    According to NASA, a lunar eclipse took place on April 3, 33 A.D. The length of the eclipse? Two hours and 50 minutes. NASA’s own description of the eclipse notes the question on everybody’s minds: “Crucifixion of Christ?”

    7. This Minor Detail Must Not Be So Minor After all
    All four Gospels mentioned an interesting fact: the tomb in which Jesus was laid was hewn out of rock.
    Many tombs in the day were dug into the earth and lined with stones. Unfortunately, this made it possible for grave diggers to dig into the tombs to steal any valuables left with the dead. The fact that Jesus’ tomb was carved into the rock effectively removed the possibility that Jesus’ disciples had excavated into the tomb and removed the body of their leader.
    No wonder what seems like a small detail was mentioned by the writers of all four Gospels! It’s one more piece of evidence attesting to the truth of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave.


    ************
    Ps. Who made the Holy Shroud of Turin? Roman whips, nails, wound in the side etc.






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    Re: Looking for Catholic sources on the historicity of the Resurrection
    « Reply #10 on: April 20, 2025, 08:33:54 PM »
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  • Just posting a few common facts about Our Lord's Resurrection.
    Bishop Williamson had a 5 minute audio discussion about this, but of course I can't remember where that was found. He emphatically made the observation that ONE facet of the Resurrection is enough to positively conclude that Jesus had resurrected. It was this:

    "Where is THE BODY?"

    Who can find the body, anyone?  Look, there was a "Guard" of Joowish soldiers, maybe 10 soldiers guarding the tomb! Where is the body? How could anyone steal Our Lord's body? The sepulcher was hewn in solid rock, so no one could undermine. See Number 7 at bottom.
    When the Pharisees learnt this, they had every means available (+W> like the iws have even to the present haha), to find the body.  That was top of mind for the Authorities...gotta find the Body! But alas no Body was found.
    Matthew 28: 13 -15. As St. Augustine explains, taking a jab at the iws:' Is this the best you could find...the testimony of sleeping witnesses.!'

    Another fact: The Institution of  ' S U N D A Y '.  We live it every week, and the world has been altered ever since. Sunday, even in the present corrupted society, is still the best day of the week. The First day of the week no less.  I remember about 10 years ago, there was a calendar that had Monday as the first day...I don't expect they will try printing that again. A solid part of our culture and traditions, there is no denying that. But immigrants might succeed, unfortunately.
    Plus, all the apostles suffered martyrdom, because they saw the resurrected Christ, and were able to face death for preaching that historical fact.

    *************
    https://www.foicatholique.com/2024/03/4-faits-soutenant-l-historicite-de-la-resurrection-de-jesus.html

    Google translation
    The resurrection of Jesus is one of the foundations of the Christian faith, supported not only by religious beliefs but also by convincing historical evidence. This paper explores four essential facts that together form a solid argument in favor of the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus, ...These facts are crucial to understanding why the resurrection is seen by many as a historical event.

    1. The Death of Jesus by Crucifixion
    The first indisputable fact was the death of Jesus by crucifixion under the government of Pontius Pilate. This event is largely attested by Christian, Jєωιѕн, and Roman sources, making it difficult to refute. The crucifixion of Jesus is recognized as a historical fact due to the convergence of these testimonies from various sources, thus providing a solid basis for the argumentation of the resurrection.
    [Crucifying criminals was THE form of capital punishment for the Romans. They also broke the legs to expedite the death. Fast forward to the Holy Shroud, the legs were not broken, as the Scriptures had foretold, which is in itself a mind-boggling fact! Td.]

    2. The Empty Tomb
    The second fact is the discovery of the empty tomb. The accounts of the Gospels, corroborated by the practices and beliefs of the early Christian community, attest that the tomb in which Jesus was buried was found empty on the third day after his crucifixion. The fact that this discovery was initially reported by women, considered at the time as less reliable witnesses, reinforces the credibility of these accounts, suggesting that they would not be the product of inventions or subsequent modifications.


    3. The Post-mortem Appearances of Jesus
    The third fact relates to the appearances of Jesus after his death, reported by multiple witnesses in different places and at different times. These appearances include encounters with skeptical disciples, isolated individuals, and groups, reinforcing the argument for the reality of these events. The existence of these testimonies in the New Testament writings and among the early Christian communities serves as further proof of the authenticity of the experiences of these witnesses.

    4. The Transformation of Disciples
    The fourth and final fact is the radical transformation of the followers of Jesus. Before the resurrection, they were described as fearful and uncertain, but after witnessing post-resurrection events, they became bold preachers of the Good News, ready to suffer and even die for their faith. This transformation is difficult to explain without recognizing the profound impact that the experience of resurrection has had on them.

    Conclusion
    These four facts, supported by a multitude of sources and testimonies, provide a convincing framework for considering the resurrection of Jesus as a historic event. The convergence of evidence from the death of Jesus, the discovery of the empty tomb, the post-mortem apparitions, and the transformation of the disciples, is a powerful argument in favour of the authenticity of the resurrection, emphasizing its

    ***************
    https://www.biblica.com/articles/7-fascinating-facts-about-the-real-easter-story/

    6. NASA Has Confirmed Something Mind-Boggling About the Day Jesus Died
    “From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.” (Matthew 27:45 NIV).
    The darkening of the skies for three hours before Jesus died was observed and recorded by Matthew, Mark (Mark 15:33 NIV) and Luke (Luke 23:44 NIV).
    Could God have used a solar eclipse to darken the skies prior to the death of His son? A solar eclipse takes place when the moon crosses between the earth and the sun, creating partial to full blockage of the sun’s light.
    Scholars put the date of Jesus’ death between the years 26 A.D. and 36 A.D., with many pinpointing the date of April 3, 33 A.D. Charting the trajectory and speed of stars and planets, NASA has created historic maps of eclipses through the centuries.
    But based on these maps, no solar eclipse is recorded as having occurred over Jerusalem during the time of Jesus’ death.
    NASA charts do reveal, however, the occurrence of a rather interesting lunar eclipse. A lunar eclipse takes place when not the moon itself but the moon’s shadow crosses the sun and darkens the skies.
    According to NASA, a lunar eclipse took place on April 3, 33 A.D. The length of the eclipse? Two hours and 50 minutes. NASA’s own description of the eclipse notes the question on everybody’s minds: “Crucifixion of Christ?”

    7. This Minor Detail Must Not Be So Minor After all
    All four Gospels mentioned an interesting fact: the tomb in which Jesus was laid was hewn out of rock.
    Many tombs in the day were dug into the earth and lined with stones. Unfortunately, this made it possible for grave diggers to dig into the tombs to steal any valuables left with the dead. The fact that Jesus’ tomb was carved into the rock effectively removed the possibility that Jesus’ disciples had excavated into the tomb and removed the body of their leader.
    No wonder what seems like a small detail was mentioned by the writers of all four Gospels! It’s one more piece of evidence attesting to the truth of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave.


    ************
    Ps. Who made the Holy Shroud of Turin? Roman whips, nails, wound in the side etc.
    Thank you, Twice Dyed. I've sent the young man the sermon by Bp. Williamson that you posted in the other thread and some info about the authenticity of the Holy Shroud of Turin. Ayez des joyeuses Pâques! 
    Our Lady keep you under her mantle.

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