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Re: Living will directives for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2018, 09:55:23 AM »
I am pick-up this thread since it is so important.
 
I had started another thread where I had attached a template for a Combined Living Will and Healthcare Durable Power of Attorney put out by the Archdiocese of Phiadelphia (or an affiliated group).
 
Needless to say, this template would need to be revised for use by traditional Catholics.
 
I was re-directed to this thread by Marie Teresa and given some good feedback/suggestions by Nadir.
 
I am re-attaching the doc where I highlighted the most obviously problematic language for Catholics seeking to maintain the traditional Faith.
 
Here are the suggested edits I came up with so far (for you to comment or offer further revisions):
 
  • The citations referencing Post-Conciliar Docuмents would be changed to reference any and all Pre-Vat II docuмents on the subject (please let me know if you know what the relevant citations should be changed to).
  • The language that requests a Catholic priest should be changed to state “[…] a Catholic priest validly ordained in the traditional Latin rite of ordination by a bishop likewise validly consecrated in the traditional Latin rite preferably from the [contact info for the specific apostolate] be contacted to attend to my spiritual needs so I may receive the Last Rites of the Roman Catholic Church in the traditional Latin rite, specifically the Sacraments of Penance, Extreme Unction, Viaticuм, and supported by prayer.”
  • Finally, as Nadir pointed out in the previous thread, there appears to be too much influence/discretion granted to the “attending physician”. While some argue that there is an advantage to combine a Living Will with a Healthcare Durable Power of Attorney: http://help.legalnature.com/41847-articles/living-will-vs-medical-power-of-attorney the link from the Patients Rights Council makes a strong case that the attending physician is given too much power and authority: http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/advance-directive-protective-medical-decisions-docuмent/ therefore it might just be better stick with a Healthcare Durable Power of Attorney and do away with all of the language related to the Living Will. (That said, I am no lawyer, so I do not know—I just know that with the way “healthcare” is trending, putting too much trust or power in the hands of the so called medical professionals could be a big mistake).
 
Finally, God willing if we pray for a good death, God will grant us a good priest at our death, but should other language be included to allow for other Rites or other priests to minister the Sacraments in extreme cases?
 
Thank you! God bless


Re: Living will directives for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2018, 11:15:46 AM »
I think I remember something Father Robinson told me when he was still my priest. I think I remember him telling us not to donate our organs because if we allow it the doctors will kill us prematurely to use our organs.

Exactly. Also, be sure to use a black permanent marker to liberally fill in the areas on the back of your driver's license that ask if you want to be an organ donor, because Dr. Sneakystein can easily forge it to make it appear you're an organ donor.

Re: Living will directives for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2018, 11:48:09 AM »
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This LIVING WILL shall take effect 
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(1) when my attending physician determines 
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(2)that I am incompetent which means that I lack sufficient capacity to understand the potential material benefits, risks and alternatives involved in a specific proposed health care decision; 
I am unable to make the health care decision on my behalf; or I am unable to communicate a decision about my health care.

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For the LIVING WILL to be effective, my attending physician must also verify that:
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1. I have an end-stage medical condition, that is, I have an incurable and irreversible medical condition
in an advanced state which will result in death despite the introduction or continuation of medical treatment;or
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2. I am (3)permanently unconscious, which is a total and irreversible loss of consciousness and capacity for interaction with the environment.
I very uncomfortable with this:

(1) How can we be sure that the "attending physician" is a fit person to decide on our behalf? 

(2) Will he know us well enough and better than the person appointed and sitting at the bedside observing the patient for a much longer time?

(3) What determines permanently unconscious? It's like the term "brain dead"? (Which is a fraud used to steal organs from living persons". How often do patients diagnosed as permanently unconscious come to consciousness.

Good examples of problems by Nadir.  
From what I understand & have been told by good Traditional Catholic sources, you just shouldn't sign anything called a "Living Will."  When you're on the operating table or gurney, the doctor is not going to pull out your Living Will & read it; if you say "yes I have a living will", it comes with a sort of assumption about your wishes.  What I've been told is you just have a "medical power of attorney", or "medical decision maker".  That way, if you are unable to make your own decisions, they must consult your medical PofA (a living person), rather than read some docuмent (or not) subject to their misinterpretation.  


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It’s not the same as another type of advance directive known as a “living will.” (The living will — sometimes called a “directive” or a “declaration” — is downright dangerous. It actually gives power over your life and death to an unknown physician.)

So forget about getting the best wording for a "Living Will".  You don't want to have a LW at all.  You just need a medical decision maker (probably with a backup in case said person is not available).  The one I've heard recommended by Traditional Catholic priests is the PMDD, on the website I mentioned before.  

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Re: Living will directives for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2018, 02:08:26 PM »
Organ transplants are definitely not permitted for Catholics.  They often take out the heart and other organs when you are still alive, thereby killing you, based on their phony definition of "brain death".