A great post Tele. You have spelled out the basic moral fabric of Catholic society and I agree with you.

However we don't live in a society where this is even possible at the present time. Most of us are living in a soft kind of slavery under the yolk of Jєωιѕн Atheism. It was a natural progression to close mental asylums because the outside world was no longer any more sane than the one inside them.

To restate things: feminism, with the flood of women into the workforce, drove down the price of labor, forcing men to work harder and see their families less. It also devalued the perceived meaning of manhood - a man is now a workhorse, not a father or husband, but in direct competition with women, whom he naturally loses respect for and develops a hatred of. The screws were tightened during each downturns of the orchestrated economic cycles. Women are then bound to work also because families are debt laden and a single wage no longer pays for what is considered a basic standard of living. People can all see this, although not many are conscious of it. The vast majority of Catholics are slaves, Tele. Try as they may, they cannot live by these principles until they find a way to break the bonds of slavery. How do they do that?

Furthermore, a man who chooses to support his wife and children, rather than maintain the 'middle class' living standard by having her work, is particularly vulnerable to the possibility of unemployment and destitution. Traditional Catholics are the subject of intense negative bias in many walks of life, in case you have not noticed. And since some Traditional Catholic communities are themselves frequently lacking cohesion but instead are filled with intrigue and judgmental people, the support networks for these families can be lacking.

So it may seem that many Traditional Catholics are closet liberals and their daughters are being brought up in a way that resembles feminism, yet they may instead be simply facing up to the reality of the present (if she does not know how to earn a living, she may find herself on the street when her future husband loses his job). I rather forgive many of them as not being liberals, but just lacking in faith and courage, since Christ told us that every hair on our head is counted, that we needn't worry.

So I would add this third category to your list of Deluded and Disingenuous.

I don't understand why this is a "hard" truth. A woman should stay at home if at all possible. I don't think I need to qualify that statement.

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I don't understand why this is a "hard" truth. A woman should stay at home if at all possible. I don't think I need to qualify that statement.

If it weren't a hard truth you would see a lot more people accepting it.

Perhaps people are not as advanced in the spiritual life as you are. Think of how many people are in Tradition fresh over from the NO; they certainly don't know what you. Even after years of being in Tradition, I didn't know what I should have. But by the grace of God, and with time, I've come to learn more. Conversion is a progression. A life long one. So perhaps its not a matter of accepting it, but not having the opportunity to accept it yet. To rid oneself of the sludge and garbage they've been fed for a generation is a process. If we believe its by the grace of God that they're in Tradition in the first place (which I do), then lets hope and pray that they continue in the right direction, towards those ideas you laid out in your OP.

Also, that the priests should speak more on this is the responsibility of the priests; if they're failing to do so, people will place themselves, thanks to and alongside said priests, in danger of damnation. But as Maizar said, every one of our hairs are accounted for. God knows all, not us.

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I can't agree with that.

Come on, "on the street" - that's not very realistic considering the social class of these parents.

That is assuming parents are even still alive and can accommodate another whole family moving into their retirement quarters.  Many retired/aged end up in an assisted living apartment, where would the unemployed family retreat to then?  We don't live in 1913, there is no family farm to head to when times get tough.  

Most parents will help their kids/grandkids if they can but we can no longer assume aging parents will be able to help.

Marsha

A good argument for the patriarch/matriarch keeping a family headquarters, even if it's just a house (no land). It's important for stability, unity, celebrations, etc.

Did the bodies of the aged not deteriorate back in 1913? Were they as vigorous as a 20-year-old right up until the day of their death? Is that why they stayed on a family farm back then?

These are the questions we need to ask -- and find answers for.

One answer is that the CHILDREN would take care of the parents. When you have a Catholic/natural sized family, that's much easier. When you're a Baby Boomer with 3 children, 2 of whom had to move out-of-state years ago to find work, it becomes downright impossible.

Some people should downsize, yes. For some people, an ideal living situation is an apartment. But for families where children are being raised, it is best to have a permanent residence, preferably with land. This offers countless benefits for Catholic living.

And this applies to grandparents as well, assuming your grandchildren are within a short driving distance. If you never see them or have them over at your house, you might as well not have them (at least for planning purposes).

Come on, "on the street" - that's not very realistic considering the social class of these parents.

I didn't know you had to belong to some kind of social class to be Catholic.