Author Topic: Liberal morality and how to undermine it? (Read 793 times)

Tallinn Trad · « **on:** November 22, 2019, 10:21:33 AM »

A man in New Zealand, Jesse Kempson, has just been found guilty of the murder of a 21 year old British woman, Grace Millane, backpacking around the world. As part of his defence his lawyers claimed she had died accidently while he choked her during a consensual sex act. I won't post the story, as it is pretty sordid, but here are the essential facts presented to the court and not in dispute.

Grace Millane (the murdered party) was travelling alone around the world on a "gap year".
She was hooking up with men for casual sex using aps such as Tinder and even BDSM dating websites.
There was a history of text-traffic on her mobile and laptop with a number of men she had fornicated with as she travelled.
There was a witness called for the defence who testified she had had consensual sex with him shortly before and asked to be choked.
On the BDSM website in New Zealand she met her murderer.
She hooked up shortly thereafter, went to dinner, had a lot of drinks, went to bed with him in his hotel room and was dead the same evening.
He put her body in a suitcase and buried it.

The interesting part is the overwhelming number of people who suggest that the media revealing her sɛҳuąƖ proclivities is "slut shaming". In fact, her proclivities were revealed in court as part of the accused's defence suggesting that the killing was not deliberate but part of a sex-game gone wrong.

What I found interesting is that any suggestion that her promiscuous behaviour contributed to her own sticky end is labelled as slut shaming and blaming the victim and it is almost impossible to find an article or comment by anyone who suggests she could have avoided this. The OVERWHELMING number of comments are suggesting that women should be entitled to be rapaciously promiscuous and not suffer any of the consequences. Or that her promiscuous behaviour is completely irrelevant to the murder and that bringing it up in court is an insult to her memory and an insult to her parents.

Points of discussion. I'd find your thoughts on this interesting.

Religious conservatives have not set the moral agenda for 40-50 years. Both the murder victim and the murderer are perverted products of a liberal culture that says "do what thou wilt". At what point in time will liberals own the problems of the society that their fuzzy "morals" screwed up.
Where have the people with basic moral common sense gone who would comment that the murder victim contributed to her own demise and that fornicating with strangers into violent forms of sex is putting oneself at risk of meeting murderous men.
Is it even worth pointing this out now in a public forum and standing for old moral values or should we just wipe the dust from our sandals and watch the whole thing burn down? Are such people with liberal values worth saving now? It appears to me to be an impossible task.

Tallinn Trad · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2019, 11:23:40 AM »

She went to Catholic High School.

https://www.facebook.com/gmillane

NaomhAdhamhnan · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2019, 04:37:24 PM »

I also noticed that even mild comments regarding the need to be careful who you meet online were called "slut shaming".

Personally I now think we are beyond helping most people. Either God intervenes, or we will have cannibalism within the decade.

Tallinn Trad · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2019, 05:10:37 PM »

Do you think it is effective to suggest that 95% of our grandparents would consider such behavior from a woman to be grossly immoral. If I am a bigot then your grandparents were bigots too.

Why are the current generation the enlightened ones? And if their new morality is superior why don't we have world peace and societal happiness?

I was speaking to an old man about this today, aged 82 and he said to me "back in the 1970s it was almost impossible to find prostitutes who would do", what younger people are doing on Tinder for thrills.

Are there any strong effective arguments from other forum members, or should I write such people off? It does seem like a whole generation is damned to insanity.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2019, 07:07:30 PM »

Many (most?) western women have murdered their own babies in the womb. Should we be surprised that they are also promiscuous and sɛҳuąƖly depraved? sɛҳuąƖ violence is mainstream now. We are willing to accept that men are monsters, but modern women are monsters as well (I believe they are worse but that is hard to prove).

Isn't feminism great? Fewer men slap their girlfriends and wives. We are so enlightened and just. Remember that every abortion is a murder of a baby by her own mother's fiat (unless it is forced) and there have been so many abortions in the past hundred years that it rivals and perhaps surpasses the number of men that have been killed in all the wars in mankind's history combined. Aren't men violent? In a world where women ruled there would be no wars and we would have perpetual peace. Well perhaps there would be fewer wars but there would be far more murder victims.

I would ask one to think about such actions (the sɛҳuąƖ sins) and ask yourselves if you hate such actions and if they repulse you, or if you secretly would wish to act in such a way, or perhaps even if you would want to do those things if they were not punished with eternal hellfire.

And then I would offer that many of these people are so far gone that they are complete and utter slaves to the devil. They are addicted and their addiction is a compulsion caused by their devils.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2019, 08:24:18 PM »

Some things about the modern world disgust me very much. I know I am evil too, so don't think I am innocent or acting like I am better than other people. But I wish everyone was innocent and pure, or at least a lot of people.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2019, 12:50:09 AM »

Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 22, 2019, 10:21:33 AM

Points of discussion. I'd find your thoughts on this interesting.

Religious conservatives have not set the moral agenda for 40-50 years. Both the murder victim and the murderer are perverted products of a liberal culture that says "do what thou wilt". At what point in time will liberals own the problems of the society that their fuzzy "morals" screwed up. (Few will eventually see the error of their ways when they've been in the gutter long enough, the majority will go to the old folks home and death without changing their ways. The highest rates of STD's today are found in 55 and older communities)
Where have the people with basic moral common sense gone who would comment that the murder victim contributed to her own demise and that fornicating with strangers into violent forms of sex is putting oneself at risk of meeting murderous men. (They are busy with their own lives and keep their opinions to themselves, since when they have spoken out, it is deleted by the media, or they are dismissed by the media. The media creates the problem, glorifies it, and defends it.)
Is it even worth pointing this out now in a public forum and standing for old moral values or should we just wipe the dust from our sandals and watch the whole thing burn down? Are such people with liberal values worth saving now? It appears to me to be an impossible task. (If it was not for the news of the whole world being before your eyes you would have never known of this case. Take care of your family, you can't fix the world, it is impossible, and not your job. Stick to fixing your own family (parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins), do that and you'll have a full time job for the rest of your life. As far as the world, you will have the greatest impact by your example, how your family LIVES the faith.

My response in bold

Tallinn Trad · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2019, 01:21:06 AM »

Thanks Matto.

I guess I am a vanilla character..

I am left wondering why there are so many female whores at such a young age. This is probably unkind to proper whores, because at least whores are doing it to earn a living. My instinct would tell me that debauchery woukd take a little while to develop. BDSM at 21? What would she be like at 31?

I suppose the need to out whore each other on social media may have something to do with being SO degenerate at that age.

I never indulged in smoking, drinking, drugs, pre-marital sex, because I could see where they lead from looking at the people who had indulged 10, 20, 30 years prior. I focused on work, marriage then bringing up children. Because I could see that people who did that more often had happy peaceful lives and stable marriages.

E.Michael Jones suggested in a recent interview that there was sone indication that 20 to 30 year old are waking up to the fact that post modernism has faiked them. He says it is early days but he spots a trend. Do you think there is any truth in that? Have you spotted such a trend? Can't say I have.

People made similar claims about the JP2 youth crowd. I never saw that pan out.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2019, 11:35:45 AM »

Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 23, 2019, 01:21:06 AM

I guess I am a vanilla character..

I am left wondering why there are so many female whores at such a young age.

E.Michael Jones suggested in a recent interview that there was sone indication that 20 to 30 year old are waking up to the fact that post modernism has faiked them. He says it is early days but he spots a trend. Do you think there is any truth in that? Have you spotted such a trend? Can't say I have.

Debauchery is heavily promoted to children and young people, especially young women, are conformists.
E Michael Jones seems very hopeful about "Logos rising". I don't know how true that is but he would know better than I do. I know that there are some young people speaking openly about Jews on the internet and nobody trusts the mainstream media. But if they are enough to make meaningful change, I don't know. And many young people do prefer the Latin Mass to the Novus Ordo once they are introduced to it. On the internet, in right wing circles, strangely enough, "six-million" denial and sedevacantism are mainstream now. Not that a lot of people believe those things, but they know about such things. The thing is, the circles I run in are isolated, so I don't really know what regular people think.

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