Author Topic: Large families (Read 1500 times)

tradlover · « **on:** April 05, 2011, 02:44:05 PM »

Found this on another board. What do you think?

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I would like to know what specifically do trad people with a lot of kids see as the benefit of having all those babies. I am not disparaging Trad families, I praise them. I just want to know what do they perceive as the benefits of having large families.

On a side note I have been to some Trad Churches, mostly FSSP and SSPX and I have noticed that when I go into the basement after Mass I have to be dealing with an obstacle course of sorts avoiding an army of todlers
Babies crying during the Mass, and large vans in the parking lot.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2011, 02:48:18 PM »

tradlover I'm responding to whoever posted that comment:

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I would like to know what specifically do trad people with a lot of kids see as the benefit of having all those babies.

How can you not see the benefits? I guess if you can't you really can't understand what a wonder it is for those who cooperate with God's grace, it might be hard to explain it?

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I am not disparaging Trad families, I praise them. I just want to know what do they perceive as the benefits of having large families.

Following Church teachings is the certainly the #1 benefit. Interesting that you seem not to understand that large families are a necessary consequence of that?

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On a side note I have been to some Trad Churches, mostly FSSP and SSPX and I have noticed that when I go into the basement after Mass I have to be dealing with an obstacle course of sorts avoiding an army of todlers
Babies crying during the Mass, and large vans in the parking lot.

Yes the basements are too crowded especially when they try to integrate a school into the basement.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2011, 03:46:19 PM »

Quote from: tradlover

Found this on another board. What do you think?

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I would like to know what specifically do trad people with a lot of kids see as the benefit of having all those babies. I am not disparaging Trad families, I praise them. I just want to know what do they perceive as the benefits of having large families.

On a side note I have been to some Trad Churches, mostly FSSP and SSPX and I have noticed that when I go into the basement after Mass I have to be dealing with an obstacle course of sorts avoiding an army of todlers
Babies crying during the Mass, and large vans in the parking lot.

Here is what I think:

Modern people, whether secular, Protestant, or NO, believe that having children, including what number of them, is a choice. They believe that couples sit down some time and say "Okay, I've always wanted 4 kids and you've always wanted 2 children. So we'll compromise and have 3!"

When they see traditional families with 6,7,8, or 9 children, they think that these couples actually chose to have this many children. And because they chose to have that many, there must be some reason behind that. So they ask questions like "What are the benefits of having so many kids?"

They really just do not understand at all that children are simply a natural occurrence of a marriage--that they go together. They simply just can not understand that it is perfectly natural and normal for a married couple to have children and embrace as many children as God sends them, whether that be 3 or 10.

This is one of the consequences of modernism creeping into the Church and priests going along with it. This is ultimately the birth control mentality--that children are a choice.

It is really hard to explain children to modern people. We did not choose to have 7 children. We got married and God chose this for us. He could just as well have decided not to give us any children or blessed us with only 1. Our choice simply came when we agreed that we are Catholic and therefore would life our lives as Catholics, rejecting the modern birth control mentality.

The benefits of living a Catholic life are immeasurable.

We need vans because the states have made so many darn car seat laws that we have to have a bus to put them all in.
Without car seats until children are 6 or 8, we could cram 5 kids in the backseat of a Prius.

Zenith · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2011, 12:42:18 AM »

Quote from: tradlover

Found this on another board. What do you think?

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I would like to know what specifically do trad people with a lot of kids see as the benefit of having all those babies. I am not disparaging Trad families, I praise them. I just want to know what do they perceive as the benefits of having large families.

On a side note I have been to some Trad Churches, mostly FSSP and SSPX and I have noticed that when I go into the basement after Mass I have to be dealing with an obstacle course of sorts avoiding an army of todlers
Babies crying during the Mass, and large vans in the parking lot.

Wow! Well the list of reasons is so long I don't know where to start!

Yes I find it frustrating and very annoying that the modern man can't get it into his head that having children is natural and not having children in marriage is unnatural and selfish.

One reason to have lots of children is to invest in your own future. This could be seen as a "selfish" reason though I would prefer to have lots of children so that when I'm 85 and back in nappies, there will be someone to look after me and return the favor of changing their nappies when they were toddlers.
If I was to have 1 or 2 children, what are my chances of being put in a nursing home at 80? Very high!
If I have 9 children, what are the chances that one of those children will look afer me or share the load instead of dumping me in a nursing home? Probably a good chance.

Another reason to have lots of children is for the benefit of the children in that the older ones learn more responsiblity in taking care of their younger siblings and this will help them to mature and learn how to be responsible young adults.

Also having lots of children benefits the children in that it teaches them to share and not to be selfish. In a family of 2 children, the parents are more likely to give each child more things such as toys which can lead to selfishness.

I also like to imagine sitting in my arm chair as as a grand dad with my many children and grand children around me. The other option is that I could sit in my arm chair with no one to visit me.

Zenith · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2011, 12:47:58 AM »

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Genesis 1: 27-28
"And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth.

Because the earth is not full yet! :dancing:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2011, 11:03:02 AM »

I'll just put it in my simple way. (I have 5, one on the way, and am a birth mother of 7.)

Our duty as parents is to fill heaven with souls. No other creature on the earth can do this, only human beings.

Keeping that in mind, we should be open to as many children as God intends to send us, and never try to prevent a life from entering the world through any means if God intends to send us one. God's ways are not necessarily our ways, and who are we to say that God won't take care of us if He is the one sending that soul to us to care for?

He takes care of us, and if He gives us more children, and we do His Holy Will to bring children into this world that are destined for Heaven, then why should we be apprehensive about it (regarding material things, et cetera?)

Most traditional Catholics know this, and are not afraid to bring more children into the world. Others are doubtful of the infinite wisdom of God to know what He is doing with respect to planning our families, and say "We can't afford it," or "How will I send all these children to college?" or other really meaningless arguments. You can always get more things. You are only given a certain amount of time biologically to carry out the Holy Will of God regarding bringing souls into the world through you cooperating with His ingenious creative power.

Just my opine on the matter. :dancing:

Jehanne · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:50:52 PM »

Quote from: tradlover

Found this on another board. What do you think?

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I would like to know what specifically do trad people with a lot of kids see as the benefit of having all those babies. I am not disparaging Trad families, I praise them. I just want to know what do they perceive as the benefits of having large families.

On a side note I have been to some Trad Churches, mostly FSSP and SSPX and I have noticed that when I go into the basement after Mass I have to be dealing with an obstacle course of sorts avoiding an army of todlers
Babies crying during the Mass, and large vans in the parking lot.

As already stated -- More souls for Heaven.

Darcy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:53:27 PM »

I'm sure they would never ask that question in a welfare office. :rolleyes:

Children fulfill the three S's
Soldiers for Christ
Souls in Heaven and
Social Security.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:05:37 PM »

All good reasons.

I'd like to underline Telesphorus' post.

To do otherwise would be to violate God's law, Church law, as well as the Natural Law.

I would rather NOT treat my wife like a prostitute, thank you very much. And I'd rather not imitate the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (sterility, seeking only pleasure). My relationship with my wife is much higher than a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationship.

I love my wife enough that I want to have children with her. Doesn't everybody love their spouse that much? Apparently not!

Jehanne · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2011, 02:24:39 PM »

Quote from: Darcy

I'm sure they would never ask that question in a welfare office. :rolleyes:

Children fulfill the three S's
Soldiers for Christ
Souls in Heaven and
Social Security.

After our fifth child was born this past December, the OB office was rolling out the "contraceptive bandwagon"; we were getting stuff in the mail, free contraception, etc. Even the State of Iowa agreed to pay for contraception/sterilization for free. Whether #6 is on the way or not is anyone's guess; my wife is ready, but it appears that nursing does cause a delay in ovulation, which I had heard about but was never sure what to make of.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2011, 02:33:40 PM »

Children = Tax Deductions! :jumping2:

MaterDominici · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2011, 02:52:18 PM »

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One reason to have lots of children is to invest in your own future. This could be seen as a "selfish" reason though I would prefer to have lots of children so that when I'm 85 and back in nappies, there will be someone to look after me and return the favor of changing their nappies when they were toddlers.
If I was to have 1 or 2 children, what are my chances of being put in a nursing home at 80? Very high!
If I have 9 children, what are the chances that one of those children will look afer me or share the load instead of dumping me in a nursing home? Probably a good chance.

This one isn't just a numbers game. My grandmother had 8 children and is still in a nursing home as all of her children (including 5 daughters) have full-time jobs. The one who's retired is now too old herself to care for her 93-y-o mother. Keeping the one or two daughters you have away from establishing themselves as career women would probably prove more successful than having ten daughters who all work outside the home.
(To their credit, my grandmother is visited every day by at least one of her children.)

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2011, 02:55:07 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: Darcy
I'm sure they would never ask that question in a welfare office. :rolleyes:

Children fulfill the three S's
Soldiers for Christ
Souls in Heaven and
Social Security.

After our fifth child was born this past December, the OB office was rolling out the "contraceptive bandwagon"; we were getting stuff in the mail, free contraception, etc. Even the State of Iowa agreed to pay for contraception/sterilization for free. Whether #6 is on the way or not is anyone's guess; my wife is ready, but it appears that nursing does cause a delay in ovulation, which I had heard about but was never sure what to make of.

It's true.

Zenith · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2011, 05:13:25 PM »

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One reason to have lots of children is to invest in your own future. This could be seen as a "selfish" reason though I would prefer to have lots of children so that when I'm 85 and back in nappies, there will be someone to look after me and return the favor of changing their nappies when they were toddlers.
If I was to have 1 or 2 children, what are my chances of being put in a nursing home at 80? Very high!
If I have 9 children, what are the chances that one of those children will look afer me or share the load instead of dumping me in a nursing home? Probably a good chance.

This one isn't just a numbers game. My grandmother had 8 children and is still in a nursing home as all of her children (including 5 daughters) have full-time jobs. The one who's retired is now too old herself to care for her 93-y-o mother. Keeping the one or two daughters you have away from establishing themselves as career women would probably prove more successful than having ten daughters who all work outside the home.
(To their credit, my grandmother is visited every day by at least one of her children.)

Yes I realise this is not a hard and fast rule and even though its not the case for your grandmother unfortunately, I would still say that there is less chance of going to a nursing home if you have more children. My Grandmother had 7 children and she can no longer live at home. She is also 93 and lives with my uncle who is caring for her.

Yes its not just about having as many children as you can but raising them as good Catholics and in doing so hopefully they will honour their Father and Mother and take care of them in their old age.

I know one particular family who which has 4 generations living under the one roof! It is a rarity and wonderful to see!

Zenith · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2011, 05:17:19 PM »

More children = more workers = less work to do around the house! :jumping2: