Author Topic: Injustice in the Feminist Modern World (Read 5384 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2012, 01:29:35 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

"don't agree with that" at all?

Depending on your personality, it may be a lot easier to speak to a younger woman than an older woman. Especially one who is more open to guidance.

Belloc · « **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2012, 01:39:49 PM »

true, know a guy that is now married to Columbian, that wa a severe hispno-phile and would not even try, hard, to talk to whites, he being one of them. Tried to intro him to good, soild Catholic ladies, and he was not interested.

he was bigoted to whites like himself, but to lead into a response to your point.

he was charming, successful and was not willingto talk to women that were not ready made to get marreid, have a family and hard core trad. I tried to get him to understand that most people are not and to divide the closed minded and go for those open to the Fide and/or Traditionalism. Many are, heck, he and I were raised largely in NO.

The gal he married? he at marriage was aged 45 and she around 34. Catholic, yes, wanting a family, yes....but she attend Mass at a NO, spanish, but still, NO.

I can relate sometimes to younger people, but after awhile, the cultural reference and experiences we are from birth so tied to, often come forward.

I grew up in the 70's and 80's, so too my wife, who is 10 months older. We click more on things. Her niece is one of those exceptions in younger women, but still, talk to her long enough and you would feel some disconnect, possibly. too many yrs and experiences different.....then again, some older women, too much baggage, whether they know it or not....even w/o kids.....

So, you are right somewhat, but would be a rare exception possibly. That said, I am very un-A personality and cannot effectively flirt to save my life...more quiet and reflectory, will talk when needed, but often ,the guy at the party that is more studying and observing.....hence, not tops on the "catch" list anyway, if I was single...perhaps, you are the reverse and would have easier time then I.....

(maybe a "top catch" if I was rich or with the 60+ and up crowd

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Telesphorus · « **Reply #47 on:** October 05, 2012, 01:45:00 PM »

Tiffany, while I understand what you say about a father having responsibility for his child, and agree he should help provide support for the child, there is an institution set up to provide for child support. It's called marriage, and the child's mother refused it. So while I can see the man conceivably being required to spend money on the child himself, I can't see how it's just that he should be required to give money to the mother and she does not have to give any account as to how it is spent.

When society gives women the option to collect money from their children's fathers without marriage, enforced at gunpoint, then it is a powerful incentive for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the young woman.

Belloc · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:21:00 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Tiffany, while I understand what you say about a father having responsibility for his child, and agree he should help provide support for the child, there is an institution set up to provide for child support. It's called marriage, and the child's mother refused it. So while I can see the man conceivably being required to spend money on the child himself, I can't see how it's just that he should be required to give money to the mother and she does not have to give any account as to how it is spent.

When society gives women the option to collect money from their children's fathers without marriage, enforced at gunpoint, then it is a powerful incentive for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the young woman.

Though I agree, what is said man runs off,even while in marriage? Ideally, the Catholic state would work hand in hand w/Church to put pressure for support, but in the end, Catholic state or not, what remedy would we have for the father that books on his family? also, people are fallen and human, yes, they conceive out of wedlock and no, not always good idea to marry these 2 post-fornication, pre-birth, so, what remedy then? Would have to have some Govt institution w/policing powers set up of the man or women refuses to do their duty to their child....you mnake them, you support them...

BTW, when my state centralized collections-and we knew it was going to be a mess and it was-we had a lot of people, usually men, though occ women, arrested or pressured that HAD paid, but the switching of systems,etc, they fell through.......as a deputy sheriff,I and my fellows, had a unpleasant task of doing civil process serving, court room deputy,etc and ahd to see this first hand....a real unfair, friggin' mess.....

Tiffany · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:33:03 PM »

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Hard to talk about things too much, when she is nearly half your age

I don't agree with that.

I didnt say this was true 100% of the time, no, not at all and find that likely lessend in other cutlures-ie, Hispanic, where often women are more mature then there gringa counter-parts and also, more liberal on age, willing to marry older men and no, not for money, or green card either....

so, no, not 100% of time.....

Do you care to expand on why you "don't agree with that" at all? or, best to keep private?

It's another consequence of feminism that the older man younger woman marriage is looked down upon. We should be encouraging our young women to many good men. There are advantages of an older man too as far as stability, maturity, things like that. It's an ungodly attitude that we see age as a "defect" and would discourage a young woman from marrying an good man that is significantly older than her.

I doubt ignorance of his generation's pop culture would be a negative from the man's point of view. Raised in a Christian home without tv or secular music many people are ignorant of their own generation's pop culture.

I think this is a Western Nothern American thing and another destructive attitude against traditional family life.

Tiffany · « **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:46:14 PM »

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Quote from: Telesphorus
Tiffany, while I understand what you say about a father having responsibility for his child, and agree he should help provide support for the child, there is an institution set up to provide for child support. It's called marriage, and the child's mother refused it. So while I can see the man conceivably being required to spend money on the child himself, I can't see how it's just that he should be required to give money to the mother and she does not have to give any account as to how it is spent.

When society gives women the option to collect money from their children's fathers without marriage, enforced at gunpoint, then it is a powerful incentive for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the young woman.

Though I agree, what is said man runs off,even while in marriage? Ideally, the Catholic state would work hand in hand w/Church to put pressure for support, but in the end, Catholic state or not, what remedy would we have for the father that books on his family? also, people are fallen and human, yes, they conceive out of wedlock and no, not always good idea to marry these 2 post-fornication, pre-birth, so, what remedy then? Would have to have some Govt institution w/policing powers set up of the man or women refuses to do their duty to their child....you mnake them, you support them...

BTW, when my state centralized collections-and we knew it was going to be a mess and it was-we had a lot of people, usually men, though occ women, arrested or pressured that HAD paid, but the switching of systems,etc, they fell through.......as a deputy sheriff,I and my fellows, had a unpleasant task of doing civil process serving, court room deputy,etc and ahd to see this firs hand....a real unfair, friggin' mess.....

It's sad our society is not full of mostly strong stable families and large extended families. Depending on the economic situation of the society (excluding things like war, famine) a woman in that situation could easily very be supported by her extended family and then possibly her sons when they were grown. I think it's shameful on churches now that Christian women in that situation must fend for themselves.

Bless you for dealing with that..I can't even imagine.

Belloc · « **Reply #51 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:47:11 PM »

Very well said, today, what would be the result if a chubby, middle class white guy like me marrying (if I were single) a 22 yr old? me at age 41?

Most women would wonder when they found out I was not rich (hence worldy thinking)

They would wonder why I am "robbing the cradle" (assuming, I MUST be a pervert, she desperate or something kooky about me, maybe, immature with women my own age, again, worldy thinking).

Belloc must want a "trophy wife" (assumes again, I have some wealth and /or status to assuage, assumes too, the woman is a knock out and maybe really somewhat plain, overweight,etc).

We put a lot of stress on age and generations, backed up by pop culture to re-enforce this.

300 yrs ago, all men and women wore largely, same clothing or style at least and listened to same music and same religion, art, etc by and large.

It is hard and a show stopped for most people to think:
-hey, age is not important
-they must have something that transcends age
-he is not over the hill and she is young enough to have a family (not easy when your peers are your age)..

So, as I am not rich, not that attractive at all (hey, i am honest and fine with that) and largely introvert, I would really get a lot of labels if at age 41 I started wanting to court a 22 yr old......

There also may be a tinge of jealousy, when over the hill Henrietta is not chosen as is younger Sally.....much like men half my age would easily shed the few flabby pounds I can, even with 1-2 weeks of only veggies and lean meats...for me, not happening....lost a lot over last 2 yrs, not happpening on that residual flab....so, henrietta might be prowling for her own Ashton Kutcher and the roles reversed.....

Belloc · « **Reply #52 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:50:37 PM »

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Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Telesphorus
Tiffany, while I understand what you say about a father having responsibility for his child, and agree he should help provide support for the child, there is an institution set up to provide for child support. It's called marriage, and the child's mother refused it. So while I can see the man conceivably being required to spend money on the child himself, I can't see how it's just that he should be required to give money to the mother and she does not have to give any account as to how it is spent.

When society gives women the option to collect money from their children's fathers without marriage, enforced at gunpoint, then it is a powerful incentive for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the young woman.

Though I agree, what is said man runs off,even while in marriage? Ideally, the Catholic state would work hand in hand w/Church to put pressure for support, but in the end, Catholic state or not, what remedy would we have for the father that books on his family? also, people are fallen and human, yes, they conceive out of wedlock and no, not always good idea to marry these 2 post-fornication, pre-birth, so, what remedy then? Would have to have some Govt institution w/policing powers set up of the man or women refuses to do their duty to their child....you mnake them, you support them...

BTW, when my state centralized collections-and we knew it was going to be a mess and it was-we had a lot of people, usually men, though occ women, arrested or pressured that HAD paid, but the switching of systems,etc, they fell through.......as a deputy sheriff,I and my fellows, had a unpleasant task of doing civil process serving, court room deputy,etc and ahd to see this firs hand....a real unfair, friggin' mess.....

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It's sad our society is not full of mostly strong stable families and large extended families. Depending on the economic situation of the society (excluding things like war, famine) a woman in that situation could easily very be supported by her extended family and then possibly her sons when they were grown. I think it's shameful on churches now that Christian women in that situation must fend for themselves.

Bless you for dealing with that..I can't even imagine.

exactly, it was a protestantized industrial society that has in part led to today......teh amish, living a life that was given to them by Catholics, or more apt, kept by them post"reformation"...though the no buttons, wear black or grey thing not.....good enough reasons, but we dont need to go that extreme....

my mother, a self described "christian feminist" argues that there is reason for women,then to get educations and jobs, though have noted to her, that impulse is a cause of problems........the amish woman has family, neighbors and often a farm and/or buisness she can rely on.....like Patty Duke in Harvest of Fire, hubby died, she had kids and extended community to help w/farm....

Belloc · « **Reply #53 on:** October 05, 2012, 02:51:46 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Telesphorus
Tiffany, while I understand what you say about a father having responsibility for his child, and agree he should help provide support for the child, there is an institution set up to provide for child support. It's called marriage, and the child's mother refused it. So while I can see the man conceivably being required to spend money on the child himself, I can't see how it's just that he should be required to give money to the mother and she does not have to give any account as to how it is spent.

When society gives women the option to collect money from their children's fathers without marriage, enforced at gunpoint, then it is a powerful incentive for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the young woman.

Though I agree, what is said man runs off,even while in marriage? Ideally, the Catholic state would work hand in hand w/Church to put pressure for support, but in the end, Catholic state or not, what remedy would we have for the father that books on his family? also, people are fallen and human, yes, they conceive out of wedlock and no, not always good idea to marry these 2 post-fornication, pre-birth, so, what remedy then? Would have to have some Govt institution w/policing powers set up of the man or women refuses to do their duty to their child....you mnake them, you support them...

BTW, when my state centralized collections-and we knew it was going to be a mess and it was-we had a lot of people, usually men, though occ women, arrested or pressured that HAD paid, but the switching of systems,etc, they fell through.......as a deputy sheriff,I and my fellows, had a unpleasant task of doing civil process serving, court room deputy,etc and ahd to see this firs hand....a real unfair, friggin' mess.....

It's sad our society is not full of mostly strong stable families and large extended families. Depending on the economic situation of the society (excluding things like war, famine) a woman in that situation could easily very be supported by her extended family and then possibly her sons when they were grown. I think it's shameful on churches now that Christian women in that situation must fend for themselves.

Bless you for dealing with that..I can't even imagine.

I know do disability cases and see the same things, different angle and duties........a real mess. Biggest destroyer of economy is divorce, no families, breakdown of faith and family.....

Tiffany · « **Reply #54 on:** October 05, 2012, 03:07:04 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

my mother, a self described "christian feminist" argues that there is reason for women,then to get educations and jobs, though have noted to her, that impulse is a cause of problems........the amish woman has family, neighbors and often a farm and/or buisness she can rely on.....like Patty Duke in Harvest of Fire, hubby died, she had kids and extended community to help w/farm....

I would be marked off your list, have never seen that movie.

I'm curious about the Amish getting their culture from Catholics? They are anabaptists? Is it because they came from Europe?

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #55 on:** October 05, 2012, 05:52:25 PM »

Moral obligation to a child isn't just about money. The man in question (who appears to be the more honorable parent) will be paying support for a child, when in turn he might not be allowed much influence in the child's life, and no power over his upbringing. The law holds him to his financial obligation, but expects him to forgo his fatherly one.

The mother can marry anyone, and that man will likely have more control over the child's life, and could make tons of money, but the father still has to pay...his role is reduced to a paycheck and some novelty outing every other weekend. He wanted to create a proper family and the mother gets to just turn away.

The parent who cares the most is always the one who has to suffer the most consequences.