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Homeschooling Advice
« on: July 30, 2024, 11:27:06 AM »
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  • My fiancée and I will be getting married this November. Keeping the primary end of this Sacrament in mind, we often discuss how we want to raise our (God willing) future children. Many questions have come up during this process, and they all deal with the question on how to not only give them a good Catholic education, but also a well-balanced Catholic education: one that not only prepares them intellectually and spiritually, but also one that prepares them for the world as they approach independence from us, their parents. 

    I have judged that it would be best for us to make an attempt at homeschooling our children to begin their lives. Some reasons for coming to this conclusion:

    1) I do not trust that the 18-22 year old girls -- most of whom only have a superficial knowledge of the curriculum and no knowledge of the world -- which the SSPX hires to teach primary school are able to effectively teach and discipline my children.

    2) I have heard that the science in the SSPX schools follows the Fr. Robinson pseudo-non-creationist line of thinking.

    3) I would see it as being gravely irresponsible to send my children to a school where half the families go to both the novus ordo and the SSPX. My stances on NFP, BoD, and the papacy, are all at odds with the SSPX theology. My children will have two authorities (their teachers and their parents) telling them two different things on these important questions, which will only serve to confuse them.

    4) I do not want them to be influenced poorly by other children. As I stated above, half of the families who have students in my local SSPX school seem to be Traditional-in-name-only. I have also heard some rumors at some SSPX schools where a boy will introduce the other boys to marijuana. We have also heard about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals that plague some of the boy's schools in the SSPX. 

    I specify "to begin their lives" because, depending on how many children God gives us, it will get progressively harder to manage all of the different grade levels. We were thinking that we could homeschool each child up until the point where the child displays a fervent love for the Truth that will not allow them to be perverted by falsehoods while they are under the care of their private school teachers. The age with this occurs will probably vary for each child, but we were thinking:
    Up to grade 6 -- homeschool
    Grade 6+ -- private SSPX school

    Obviously, if we are homeschooling, we will need to supplement their education with extracurricular social activities so as not to make the children socially retarded. One of my ideas is that I can enroll my boys in jiu-jitsu classes (as long as they are separated by gender obviously). This would have two effects, 1) they have an opportunity to interact with other children who are not within their close-knit group of Traditional families (obviously they would do this with my supervision) and 2) it would give the boys healthy competition and ensure they don't develop some weird confidence issue. How do you, as parents, ensure that your child's social development is not stagnating?

    Next, I want to ask some questions about curriculum in general. What are some of the best homeschooling programs or courses out there? Right now, I have only really developed an English curriculum for the children which involves Spencerian penmanship, McGuffey's Eclectic Readers, and classical works. Beyond that, I want to stress a good mathematics curriculum. It has been demonstrated that a child's proficiency in mathematics is directly linked to their overall ability to follow syllogisms and is a good indicator of their overall intelligence. 

    What courses do you guys recommend for:
      - Mathematics (we were thinking using the Saxon math program)
      - Science
      - History (much of this will be included in our English curriculum already, but ideas are welcome if there is a specific set of books you like)
      - Religion (for Catechism I think that My Catholic Faith should suffice for the younger years. Beyond that, when should be begin philosophy or moral theology? and what are the best books for this?)
      - Latin (I think I will use Lingua Latina for this. Supplemented by rote memorization of texts in Latin and translating classics.)

    I appreciate any help that other parents can give me during this inflection point in my life. Coming up with ideas and theories about how I can perfect the growth of virtue in my children gives me such great joy. I am hoping that I can have some of my questions answered by you parents who yourselves have experienced such profound joy in raising your children. Not even being married yet, I can understand how it may seem like I am stressing too much or jumping the gun on asking all of these questions. It is simply this: I want to be as prepared as I possibly can be for when we start having children. I still have some years before I can put any of this into practice. That does not mean that I should not still seek advice. Over the next few years, I intend to flesh out my ideas on parenting so that I can put myself in the best position possible to ensure that I am not parenting in vain. So, any help and suggestions are completely welcome!
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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2024, 12:04:36 PM »
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  • - English
    Literature anthologies (Norton et al) are a dime a dozen, and can be found for pocket change at any Goodwill store.  Much literature is in the public domain, and can be had via PDF for free.  You can also get Kindle versions of many works for nominal cost.  Don't waste your money and time on those huge Houghton Mifflin anthologies, they are loaded with "politically correct" texts that are largely centered around women and certain demographics, and are geared towards these groups transcending obstacles and overcoming them, again, political correctness run amok.

      - Mathematics
    We tried Saxon but it was just too much, it requires major work on a daily basis, and it might be good for a strong math pupil, but my son is not.  We used the Sadlier Oxford series for Fundamentals of Algebra and Algebra I (Sadlier really needs to stick to math books and not religion), and it was very good, though they tended to get a bit too detailed and we had to work around that.  The Sadlier math books are almost impossible to find, I don't think they publish them anymore, so you'd have to get them used.  For Algebra II (Grade 11, this year) and Geometry (Grade 12), we've found a good home in the Cord series, which emphasizes practical applications and has short, mostly clear explanations of all basic math theorems.

      - Science
    We've used mainly the Holt/Glencoe series, which is excellent and usually comes with abundant resources on CD-ROM (might be tricky if you get them used).  If you get the CD-ROM, you'll never have to write a test, they have quizzes and tests at all comprehension levels.  The Holt series is very weak on evolution (possibly pressure from Bible Belt school boards?), which is a good thing.  You can easily navigate around that.  Don't bother with the Charlotte Mason series, it comes across as kind of naive and childish.

      - History
    We used the TAN The Story of Civilization series (4 volumes) as a "spine", I have a BA and MA in history, so I have a lot of university-level texts as well as narrative that I composed myself.  TSOC does tend to be a bit superficial and even puerile in some spots (Campbell inserts "historical fiction" vignettes, which we often skipped), so, as I said, it functions better as a "spine".  You do get a broad panorama of world history, with Catholic themes inserted liberally.  We skipped the portion on Vatican II.  TSOC comes with a lot pricey ancillary resources, we didn't bother with many of those.  The test book series is useful, but the activities book was totally superfluous, we never used it.  The narrative books and text books are quite enough.

      - Religion
    We used the Baltimore Catechism #2 (went through it twice) and #3, which I supplemented with narrative and interpretation from a traditional Catholic perspective.  Stick with the TAN versions which are almost entirely unrevised.  For earlier grades (6 and 7) we used Fr Bennet's BC#2, which features 1950s-style artwork with white children dressed and groomed like something out of Leave It To Beaver, which is admittedly a bit dated (reference was made to "starving children in Europe") as well as puerile.  The TAN series is far preferable.  I had to write my own tests for the TAN series.  After we finished BC #2 and #3, we tried the Fr Laux series but it got a bit too "deep into the weeds" for my son's comprehension level (he is only an average student, GPA hovers around 3.0).  Right now we are using the final chapters of Life In Christ (the 1958 edition, hard to find) dealing with morality, and for Grade 12 I intend to continue with LIC (the previous chapters) with possibly some supplementing from the excellent My Catholic Faith.  We also used Fr Bourmand's (SSPX) short text on traditional Catholic social teaching.

      - Latin

    We are doing a "course within a course" next year (Grade 12) on basic Latin, as an adjunct to religion class, both ecclesiastical and classical Latin, and are going to use a kind of "immersion theory", parsing the basic Latin prayers of the Mass as well as the Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and so on, and using the first volume of Our Latin Heritage as a "spine" for basic grammar.  We are going to emphasize vocabulary development and familiarity with common Latin terms used by educated English speakers, and are also going to touch of Greek for further vocabulary.

    Hope these tips are helpful.  I write and model the curriculum myself and curate the sources, rather than using a formal homeschool program such as those which exist in abundance (Our Lady of Victory, Seton, and so on).


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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2024, 03:28:40 PM »
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  • We homeschooled 3 of our 4 children, once we knew the truth, and pulled them out in 1992.  I read everything you have posted, and every way you have pointed to, I commend.  We Had Seton.  I love McGuffey.  

    When you gradually home school, that is great!  We had to jump in at age 5 and 12 and 14.  That can be difficult.  Best suggestions are to always start your day in prayer, and I am sure you are good at that. Relax, don't over expect from your children.  You can accomplish so much from just be relaxed.  Learning is an every day occurrence, beginning at birth.  I tried sign language with our grand daughter.  They catch on quick.
    Enjoy.  Some days are just not a good day, then don't.  Dr. David Allen White, of the Naval Academy said, an 18 yr.old converted him to the Faith.
    Then he told the home schoolers, stay home, even if you play cards, you are learning.  Our Lady told Don Bosco, interact with students, play basketball and such.  The students will get to know you in all ways.  In life, if they get in trouble, chances are they will be able to come to the parent easier.

    Dr. David Allen White also said, he had parents that put the youth in the academy who could not read on an 8th grade level.  The academy had to help them with reading skills before they could even begin to do the books of the academy.

    So, we homeschooled and boy, did we learn as well, as parents!!  When the youth read, say in vocabulary, a story of Louis Pasteur how he said his rosary, when the student says, "Oh Mom, you've got to read this."  I told them to place a marker there and I would.  It is fun, it is good and disciplining all take place in home schooling.

    You #1 subject is always religion/faith.  You can have a full course in a day or two, rather than go through all  different courses in one day.  what ever works, is what you go for.  We never regretted home schooling.  We can say, we wish we would have known sooner, but God decides, however.  Better late than never.

    You learn with your children, never boast or be proud, but ever remaining humble.  You will get good laughs, parents always learn along with the children.  So, relax, enjoy, never push.  Every child is different, and always ask for the Graces that are waiting for you, given to you on your wedding day.

    Our great niece will be marrying in October.  She is in Edinburgh and she was blessed to have a few years of home schooling, to know how it works.  She had to learn another language being the countries with other languages are near.  In Germany, the students have one main language and 2 others besides.  In the public schools, they go to school Monday - Saturday.

    I congratulate you on your vows for marriage.  I highly recommend you both educate yourselves on the anatomy/physiology for those babies to come.  I learnt Billings method, and there is Hilgers, and Creighton model.  Don't look at them as spacing children, but look at them for the knowledge of yourselves.  I was so awed by God's design.  Just be aware of who teaches.  Almost all of the nfps. are getting federal dollars and that ruins God's design in teaching.  Even Planned Parenthood has Billings book on their shelves, but PP teaches lies and opinions that ruin the knowledge, attitudes and behaviors as a result.

    The above teachers were very good when I was taught in 1979, BUT I watched how they were taken over and I experienced couples who let me know just how the "left" are evil.  Dr. Billings, I knew, and he said before a group in 1990, "This (method) is NOT YOURS, IT IS GOD"S".  I knew what he meant.  I was reading federal grants and I read the lies and who was up to it, the catholic dioceses!!  That is how our family found the Traditional Mass and Truth once more.

    God Bless you and again, Enjoy!!

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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
    « Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 03:53:42 PM »
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  • Long-time teacher here!  If at all possible, homeschool your children.  Consult with other homeschoolers and observe, teach a lesson or two while your children are still young.  Go as a couple if possible.  If need be, leave the baby with Grandma or a highly trusted sitter.  Investigate many different styles, curriculums.  Not every style or curriculum suits every child and family.  You may choose different materials and methods for your children because even within families, the strengths, weaknesses, interests, temperaments, needs will be different.  It’s good to have seen different models before you and mostly your wife’s time and energy will be taken up with infants and toddlers!  

    It’s best to observe in person, but these days, you can do it over Zoom or a similar platform.  Which brings up the issue of technology.  What will you use?  To what degree?   Under which circuмstances?  While some trad families use no technology in homeschooling, but I think that approach will render your children incapable of becoming gainfully employed as an adult, unless you plan to live in an off-grid community like the most conservative of the Amish.  So far as I know, there are no traditional Catholic communities, although attempts have been made.  They unfortunately met with failure within a few years.  Manual labor jobs are fewer than ever, don’t pay well enough for most to merely exist, and may well be virtually gone by the time your children need employment.  Nonetheless, do teach your children (and yourselves, if need be) to do manual labor.  Grow a garden, work on a car, build from wood, operate and fix appliances, have a basic knowledge of things like plumbing, electric, how technology works. Know how to clean a house, do simple clothing repairs, cook a decent meal.  Children need to perform household and yard work and do so as their regular responsibility from as soon as they are able. No matter if their best starts out less than perfect!  Instill a positive attitude about doing their part to keep the family running smoothly. Do not permit grumbling.  If you don’t like a particular chore, so what?  You’re entitled to your opinion, but that’s not why you do or don’t do it!  
    (As a teacher, when children complained or shirked their classroom chores, I took the time to remind them why they needed to do it, and with a calm demeanor.  As an illustration, I told them that my apartment and building did not have laundry facilities.  It was too old.  I had to go to the laundromat and I really dislike laundromats! Detergent smell makes me sneeze, stuffs up my sinuses, not air conditioned, in summer beastly hot, lots of flies, usually unruly children running amuck, racing in laundry carts, blaring TVs with bad shows, filthy magazines, not enough chairs for customers, machines that break down in the middle of washing your clothes, grumpy attendants who run out of change, weird people, etc.  How about I just quit washing my clothes and linens?  After a month, wouldn’t you like to sit in the special seat attached to my desk?  Why not?  If they don’t get the message, I tell them it’s a waste of time showering, brushing my teeth, washing and combing my hair.  Now, would you like the star seat? 🫢)  
    IMO, children should not receive money, ie. Allowance, for routine tasks. If they undertake an exceptional and arduous task, a little cash or other age-appropriate award is in order for the child or children who did it only. No participation trophies!  It gives the wrong message and leaves them ill-prepared for adult life.  

    Teach your boys to be masculine, your girls to be feminine. 

    I cannot answer all your questions, but I will comment on #1 regarding 18-22 year old cradletrad girls trained at St. Mary’s.  If they are teaching in a small school comprised of students like themselves, it’s probably okay for most students.  However, they should not teach special needs children or those who may have emotional, social problems, or who have been exposed to the world outside of the tradcat cocoon.  No fault of their own, but I’ve seen these nice young ladies make matters worse, even dangerous for children, and the teachers who are mostly just waiting out until they’re married, come to dislike children!  I’ve personally witnessed one such lady of 20 be unable to control a grades 4/5 class of six, two girls, four boys. The following year, only two returned.  The two sets of parents returned their children to public school and one to a diocesan Catholic school where all four were compelled to repeat the grade. Two of the teachers were excellent, a retired grandfather who taught high school Latin, Science, and History.  The other was a woman of 58 whose husband had jumped ship.  She’d successfully raised and homeschooled five children until high school while holding down a full time job as a court stenographer. A younger sister living next door had helped her out.  She taught 4 Kindergartners, 3 first graders, 1 second grader, and 1 third grader with mild Down Syndrome. Two among the others came from dysfunctional, broken homes, too well exposed to the world, behavioral issues.  She taught everything except music and p.e.  She did a terrific job.  Maturity, age, and ability to navigate the world while remaining Catholic make a huge difference.  
    If you do decide to send a child to a Catholic school, you need to check it out very carefully for exactly the issues you raise.  In general, if the teachers are vowed religious with professional study, like, a degree, not just two year’s training in one curriculum, preferably single sex classes after fifth or sixth grades, the children will be better off.  Use extreme caution if you consider boarding school, and certainly do not send a timid, easily influenced, or child not well grounded in his faith, or a child who is younger than 12 or immature.  I know there have been problems of a serious nature (mortal sin) in several SSPX schools in the US.  Since many of your specific beliefs are opposite of the SSPX, if you do use their school, let it be only in the primary grades, K-2 or even grade 1 if you do not want your child to receive preparation for Confession and Communion. Kindergarteners and first graders aren’t going to be concerned with BOD, Sedevacantism, etc. Of course, if you belief Mass that mentions Francis is definitely invalid, you’ll not want your child to ever attend an SSPX school. These days, it’s far better to homeschool, imo, even though my entire life has been dedicated to teaching!  

    I do take issue that your children will be “socially retarded” if you don’t involve them in outside social activities.  The entire idea that children must be “socialized” from an early age is based in the socialist-communist ideas of Dewey which he adopted after observing extensively, the schools in the USSR!  If your children accompany you on excursions to town, the store, the doctor, dentist, the motor vehicle bureau, post office, realtor…If you take trips to museums, the zoo, aquarium, charity sporting events, they will have ample opportunity to interact with others by your example. Perhaps when around 12 and up, consider joining a small, family oriented sports league after you’ve checked it out. At least parent should be present for the game or activity until about age 15. Hopefully, by then, your child should have seen you handle confrontational people, those engaged in immoral attire, conduct, or promulgation of wrong beliefs and be able to handle it him or herself. I taught my students the best policy for a child, is to “Turn. Pray. Get Away!”  If you felt threatened, disturbed, or the person was a much older child or an adult, inform a trusted adult, like parent, teacher, immediately.  

    Best of Our Lord’s blessing for a happy marriage and all the little ones He desires you to raise for Heaven!

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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
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  • 18-22 year old girls -- most of whom only have a superficial knowledge of the curriculum and no knowledge of the world -- which the SSPX hires to teach primary school
    Why do they hire such young, inexperienced teachers?
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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2024, 09:36:59 AM »
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  • Why do they hire such young, inexperienced teachers?

    Money. They can pay them next to nothing since the SSPX provides boarding. The SSPX has a good system of:
     1) get women in prime child bearing age into a dead-end liberal arts program (for some women who weren’t taught this stuff by their parents, maybe the degree could be helpful, but I don’t think girls should be going to college regardless)
    2) send graduate to random SSPX school 
    3) teacher either finds a husband or goes back to live with parents after a few years

    The first option in step three is rarely realized though. There is something about women who teach other people’s kids for a living that makes them not desire a husband. I’ve known like 15 young women who have been teachers at some point and only three of them are either engaged or married. Her becoming a teacher is a good way to push a “single” vocation onto your daughter. 
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    Re: Homeschooling Advice
    « Reply #6 on: November 29, 2024, 02:15:05 PM »
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  • Money. They can pay them next to nothing since the SSPX provides boarding.
    I don't think that explains it. Old ladies (widows, retirees, et al.) aren't more financially needy than young ones, are they?
    It seems the younger ones would be less likely to be infected by liberal ideas than long-time (or certified/degreed) teachers.
    Also, younger teachers are more similar in temperament to children than old ladies, so young teachers are better for young children.

    teacher either finds a husband or goes back to live with parents after a few years
    Or enters religious life.

    1) get women in prime child bearing age into a dead-end liberal arts program (for some women who weren’t taught this stuff by their parents, maybe the degree could be helpful, but I don’t think girls should be going to college regardless)
    The SSPX Sisters, too, require at least a 2 year college degree. I knew someone who almost became one; but she wanted to enter religious life immediately, not delay it by obtaining a college degree.

    There is something about women who teach other people’s kids for a living that makes them not desire a husband.
    Prior to circa 1917, female teachers had to be single.

    Her becoming a teacher is a good way to push a “single” vocation onto your daughter.
    Maybe. It could also help her discover her vocation (or delay pursuing her vocation…).
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