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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Gray2023 on November 24, 2024, 08:27:00 PM
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I know some here are not fans of Jordan Peterson, but I found this interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJYdnkopjFI&t=1s
Listen to the end especially.
Thoughts?
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If a video is more than a minute or two, I rarely view it unless it is accompanied by at least a one-liner describing the specofoc attraction of the vid —AND— if the video is produced by someone I disrespect, it takes something really special to tease me to view even a short vid.
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If a video is more than a minute or two, I rarely view it unless it is accompanied by at least a one-liner describing the specofoc attraction of the vid —AND— if the video is produced by someone I disrespect, it takes something really special to tease me to view even a short vid.
I am not a good salesperson, but I thought the last two minutes was helpful on giving a good simple idea of putting things back in order. God's order.. Start at 29:00. Watch at your own risk. :cowboy:
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Your sales pitch was good enough that I watched the last few minutes. He could be more succinct. :-)
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JP is controlled opposition. Beware.
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I watched the last two minutes. He said if you want to restore order, tart by tidying up your closet, so that you can find the clothes you need to wear for what you need to do.
That's the executive summary for those who don't have time to read.
The interviewer forget to suggest that he read "200 Years Together" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, but maybe she was worried that he would flip out like the last time https://youtu.be/smnvuvkHSvE? (https://youtu.be/smnvuvkHSvE?)
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JP is controlled opposition. Beware.
It's a fair warning, Pax, and it's always good to have a proper caution, but it's also true that, due to the effects of original sin, every one of us is, in some way or degree, 'controlled opposition'.
15 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=52&ch=7&l=15-#x)For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do.
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It's a fair warning, Pax, and it's always good to have a proper caution, but it's also true that, due to the effects of original sin, every one of us is, in some way or degree, controlled opposition.
15 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=52&ch=7&l=15-#x)For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do
Yet which of us has the audience reach and crowds of admiring followers as JP.
24 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=24&l=24-#x)For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
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JP is controlled opposition. Beware.
Please define how you mean controlled opposition.
I think that everyone who has not found the Truth and has not become a Catholic, in some way is controlled opposition, they could be controlled by the state (being paid to keep people from the Truth), or media (allowed airtime to keep people distracted from Truth), or just temptation (fame fortune keep them focused on the wrong things in life). So when you use the term who do you think is doing the controlling?
Thank you for the warning, but I really don't trust anyone who has not converted to True Catholicism, but it doesn't mean that people outside of that don't have an interesting perspective.
I do get that for a man JP is pretty emotional and that is off putting for most men and some women. I still think he is sincere in his search for Truth and I pray he converts at some point.
Random question: Does cynicism (the belief that people are only interested in themselves and are not sincere) hinder people from seeing that maybe people are moving through a genuine conversion of thought and that we should maybe try to assume the good instead of the evil? If we encourage good, will that help people find Truth? If we ever got the opportunity to talk to some one, like JP, about being Catholic, which Bishop or priest would we direct them to?
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I watched the last two minutes. He said if you want to restore order, tart by tidying up your closet, so that you can find the clothes you need to wear for what you need to do.
That's the executive summary for those who don't have time to read.
The interviewer forget to suggest that he read "200 Years Together" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, but maybe she was worried that he would flip out like the last time https://youtu.be/smnvuvkHSvE? (https://youtu.be/smnvuvkHSvE?)
I think flipping out is the wrong way at looking at the clip that you provided. I think he didn't know the book. Thanked the person and humbly admitted that he didn't have an answer to the question. Why is it necessary to embellish things to such a negative degree. When I read your post, my first thought was JP was going to yell and scream and argue, but none of that happened.
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Please define how you mean controlled opposition.
I think that everyone who has not found the Truth and has not become a Catholic, in some way is controlled opposition, [...] but I really don't trust anyone who has not converted to True Catholicism, but it doesn't mean that people outside of that don't have an interesting perspective.
Those who've found the Truth and have become Catholic are still going to stumble repeatedly so long as we're still alive. We might pass the entry-level litmus test among ourselves of agreeing to abide by the same eternal rules. But we're not once-saved-always-saved prots. We're still at risk of becoming controlled, whether actively or ancillary to other vices.
As for the perspectives of non-Catholics, sure, those can be interesting. In the same way that a clinician finds a malignancy to be interesting. A competent clinician knows to leave that pathology in its safely contained lab slide at the end of the working day.
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I think flipping out is the wrong way at looking at the clip that you provided. I think he didn't know the book. Thanked the person and humbly admitted that he didn't have an answer to the question. Why is it necessary to embellish things to such a negative degree. When I read your post, my first thought was JP was going to yell and scream and argue, but none of that happened.
The youtube commenters know exactly why Jordan Peterson reacted the way he did. He was stuck between a rock and hard place, because a jew was telling him about the evils of the jew. He couldn't react normally because eitherway he would appear antisemitic.
Yes flipped out is not the right term, deer caught in headlights would be more accurate
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The youtube commenters know exactly why Jordan Peterson reacted the way he did. He was stuck between a rock and hard place, because a Jєω was telling him about the evils of the Jєω. He couldn't react normally because eitherway he would appear antisemitic.
Yes flipped out is not the right term, deer caught in headlights would be more accurate
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't dive into the comment section.
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Random question: Does cynicism (the belief that people are only interested in themselves and are not sincere) hinder people from seeing that maybe people are moving through a genuine conversion of thought and that we should maybe try to assume the good instead of the evil? If we encourage good, will that help people find Truth? If we ever got the opportunity to talk to some one, like JP, about being Catholic, which Bishop or priest would we direct them to?
This is a process we undergo, carefully and with humility and prayer, with those few who are closest to us. Even when we encourage the good in them, we need to be silently aware that they continue to consent to remain in the grips of the other side, as it were.
This is delicate enough IRL. But to become personally vested in the spiritual meanderings of influential public figures, of whom we have no way of assessing the genuineness of their conversion, isn't for us to do. Nota bene, there's a reason that said public figures are influential.
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This is a process we undergo, carefully and with humility and prayer, with those few who are closest to us. Even when we encourage the good in them, we need to be silently aware that they continue to consent to remain in the grips of the other side, as it were.
This is delicate enough IRL. But to become personally vested in the spiritual meanderings of influential public figures, of whom we have no way of assessing the genuineness of their conversion, isn't for us to do. Nota bene, there's a reason that said public figures are influential.
I agree that we are most effective with the people that we know in real life.
What do you mean by personally vested?
Sometimes we might be inspired to do things that we don't understand, but niggles at us until we do it (like writing letters to public figures). Once we have done the thing (i.e letters to public figures), then we are at peace and don't worry about the outcome. We never know exactly how God will use us to do His will.
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I'm skeptical of Peterson because he thinks he's his own messiah. His ideas and complaints about free speech were very popular *just* at the right time, and he capitalized on that to replace his professor salary, and just for that, he thinks he's the greatest thing ever.
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I'm skeptical of Peterson because he thinks he's his own messiah. His ideas and complaints about free speech were very popular *just* at the right time, and he capitalized on that to replace his professor salary, and just for that, he thinks he's the greatest thing ever.
Yes I have seen this pride you are talking about. I wonder how hard it is to keep your humility when you become popular.
I just like what leans toward Catholicism and ignore the rest.
I also just noticed that I duplicated this video from Emile's post.
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/religious-political-trends-of-gen-z/
Sometimes I leave videos open to view later and I forgot where I got the video. It is also funny how Emile and I had different things strike us from the same video.
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I am not a good salesperson, but I thought the last two minutes was helpful on giving a good simple idea of putting things back in order. God's order.. :cowboy:
Jordan Peterson? We who have been blessed with the Faith, need not turn to nutcases like Jordan Peterson.
https://frankwright.substack.com/p/jordan-peterson-canadian-psycho
Peterson famously urged Benjamin Netanyahu to “give em hell” in Gaza.
He is a personal friend, it turns out.
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Netanyahu is not noted for his humanitarian concerns - and a warrant (https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges) for his arrest has been issued by antisemitic conspiracy theorists who allege, without any proof whatsoever, that Netanyahu is committing genocide.
Peterson’s handler, Ben Shapiro, is a big fan of Netanyahu too.
Many Christians think Peterson is great. A lot of them appear to love Israel, too.
You can thank Ben’s Daily Wire for helping with that.
The theory of the "collective unconscious" echoed in Peterson means he thinks "archetypes" are real, and that what is in his head is also real outside of it.
Accordingly, “archetypes” are objectively real, they animate myths, and they are now animating the myth of Dr Tabletstein.
What he is telling you - is what he believes THEY are telling HIM.
Think about that.
He is telling you this himself - and presenting himself as a sage for doing so.
This would explain his ballooning lunacy, and not only that - he presents his estrangement from reason as the highest form of ascended wisdom.
Jung did this too, pronouncing himself timeless, immortal, present in the precession of the seasons.
He said others could reach this state too, if they followed his example. People like him even have a name for this state of stark raving enlightenment - they call (https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/hypersanity/)it “hypersanity”.
This is to say a state beyond sanity exists which exceeds it.
This is true, but I would not call it sane.
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All this is lol, of course - as well as being a formal heresy - and the promotion of demonology as a means of personal perfection.
This kind of falderol has inspired "scientific illuminism" since Adam Weishaupt. It is traced through the theosophy of Blavatsky, the Freemasons, to the 20th century occultism of Theodor Reuss. It is the belief that communication with non-human entities can infuse the ritual pursuit of “godmanship”.
This explains why Peterson's deranged messianism is so strongly reminiscent of Crowleyanity, as the “Great Beast 666” promised much the same in his “satanic religion” of Thelema.
This is broadly known as the “Luciferian current” - a means of “light-bringing” exampled by a fallen angel. Which is a nice way of saying “Satan”.
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Peterson in his “heaven and hell” suit: “ The blue fabric is made from sheep wool and the red fabric is made from goat wool.”
Carl Jung presented himself as a thaumaturge - a miracle worker - who performed seances and claimed clairvoyant powers. His mission (https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/carl-gustav-jung-occultism/)was not confined to psychology, but he also aimed to “undermine Christianity”.
The Peterson “Wrestling with God” is a parody of the self-styled alchemist he has found in Jung. It is this archetype which animates the most famous psychologist in the world today.
Peterson believes in the same things which inspire and animate the Western current of occultism. He appears to believe he embodies them, too.
He is not only a seething nutcase.
He is a mouthpiece for the enemies of Christ.
https://frankwright.substack.com/p/jordan-peterson-canadian-psycho
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Jordan Peterson? We who have been blessed with the Faith, need not turn to nutcases like Jordan Peterson.
https://frankwright.substack.com/p/jordan-peterson-canadian-psycho
Peterson famously urged Benjamin Netanyahu to “give em hell” in Gaza.
He is a personal friend, it turns out.
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0da9457f-3169-4eaf-b523-70d333052343_451x412.jpeg)
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Netanyahu is not noted for his humanitarian concerns - and a warrant (https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges) for his arrest has been issued by antisemitic conspiracy theorists who allege, without any proof whatsoever, that Netanyahu is committing genocide.
Peterson’s handler, Ben Shapiro, is a big fan of Netanyahu too.
Many Christians think Peterson is great. A lot of them appear to love Israel, too.
You can thank Ben’s Daily Wire for helping with that.
The theory of the "collective unconscious" echoed in Peterson means he thinks "archetypes" are real, and that what is in his head is also real outside of it.
Accordingly, “archetypes” are objectively real, they animate myths, and they are now animating the myth of Dr Tabletstein.
What he is telling you - is what he believes THEY are telling HIM.
Think about that.
He is telling you this himself - and presenting himself as a sage for doing so.
This would explain his ballooning lunacy, and not only that - he presents his estrangement from reason as the highest form of ascended wisdom.
Jung did this too, pronouncing himself timeless, immortal, present in the precession of the seasons.
He said others could reach this state too, if they followed his example. People like him even have a name for this state of stark raving enlightenment - they call (https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/hypersanity/)it “hypersanity”.
This is to say a state beyond sanity exists which exceeds it.
This is true, but I would not call it sane.
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff44bb94c-492c-442c-80d5-e069f1d6a48b_187x270.jpeg)
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All this is lol, of course - as well as being a formal heresy - and the promotion of demonology as a means of personal perfection.
This kind of falderol has inspired "scientific illuminism" since Adam Weishaupt. It is traced through the theosophy of Blavatsky, the Freemasons, to the 20th century occultism of Theodor Reuss. It is the belief that communication with non-human entities can infuse the ritual pursuit of “godmanship”.
This explains why Peterson's deranged messianism is so strongly reminiscent of Crowleyanity, as the “Great Beast 666” promised much the same in his “satanic religion” of Thelema.
This is broadly known as the “Luciferian current” - a means of “light-bringing” exampled by a fallen angel. Which is a nice way of saying “Satan”.
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff99f13f0-af51-4335-9375-816aa249acfc_542x720.jpeg)
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Peterson in his “heaven and hell” suit: “ The blue fabric is made from sheep wool and the red fabric is made from goat wool.”
Carl Jung presented himself as a thaumaturge - a miracle worker - who performed seances and claimed clairvoyant powers. His mission (https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/carl-gustav-jung-occultism/)was not confined to psychology, but he also aimed to “undermine Christianity”.
The Peterson “Wrestling with God” is a parody of the self-styled alchemist he has found in Jung. It is this archetype which animates the most famous psychologist in the world today.
Peterson believes in the same things which inspire and animate the Western current of occultism. He appears to believe he embodies them, too.
He is not only a seething nutcase.
He is a mouthpiece for the enemies of Christ.
https://frankwright.substack.com/p/jordan-peterson-canadian-psycho
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7a8995ba-b8b5-41e0-a172-20b79e5cd5ea_640x561.jpeg)
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This reads like a gossip magazine, which makes it hard to read.
My main point was that it would be helpful in life to take your little Catholic corner and organize it for God's Glory. If you put yourself in order then that order could influence others and spread like wildfire. Order solves a plethora of problems.
Why do we criticize so much and not take the things that modernists say, like JP, and redirect it to God's order?
I wish I could explain it better.
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I agree that we are most effective with the people that we know in real life.
What do you mean by personally vested?
Sometimes we might be inspired to do things that we don't understand, but niggles at us until we do it (like writing letters to public figures). Once we have done the thing (i.e letters to public figures), then we are at peace and don't worry about the outcome. We never know exactly how God will use us to do His will.
"Effective" wasn't my concern, since we don't ourselves "effect" others' conversions. My point was that, with those with whom we have a history of reciprocity, we're better able to assess moment by moment our own conscience and behavior toward them.
As for being personally vested, it'd be a level of fandom where the admirer's emotions track onto the celebrity's public ups & downs and onto how others see/speak of the celebrity. Not only is it a form of idolatry, but it can also leave us open to influences we're better off without.
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I watched the last two minutes. He said if you want to restore order, start by tidying up your closet, so that you can find the clothes you need to wear for what you need to do. [...]
With what he chooses to wear, is he following his own advice? :laugh1:
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"Effective" wasn't my concern, since we don't ourselves "effect" others' conversions. My point was that, with those with whom we have a history of reciprocity, we're better able to assess moment by moment our own conscience and behavior toward them.
As for being personally vested, it'd be a level of fandom where the admirer's emotions track onto the celebrity's public ups & downs and onto how others see/speak of the celebrity. Not only is it a form of idolatry, but it can also leave us open to influences we're better off without.
Ok. I think I get your point. And for the record I am not personally vested.
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JPs jacket tells you all you need to know. He’s a deist, meaning he thinks like a Mason, believing in a good/bad God.
I also saw a video (which I’ve been unable to re-find) where JP says that “we can’t let the right unite behind religion” because it would be too powerful to control. In other words, his job (like the self-admitted atheist, Ben Shapiro) is to pay lip/service to conservative values and keep
the right pacified.
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There are more recent videos on youtube where he defends pre vatican 2 catholicism and it seems that his wife has converted
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…(like the self-admitted atheist, Ben Shapiro)…
Where did you come up with this???
Shapiro is a rabid Orthodox Jew.
Judaism takes great pains to conceal its horrifying fundamental beliefs. The great pose is that Judaism is "monotheistic" (porking the "goddess" Shekinah at "the Wall" forfeits the "monotheistic" shuck), but despite all the pretensions of devotion to God, all Judaic cults are fundamentally self-worship. The full spectrum of Judaism, from "atheist" to "Chasidic" places oneself above God.
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Longer thread from exactly a year ago for big-picture context.
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/jordan-peterson-another-sign-of-warning/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/jordan-peterson-another-sign-of-warning/)
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A Deist is what many of the Founding Fathers were, where they referenced "their Creator" but didn't, especially Jefferson, believe in the Christian Trinity.
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Where did you come up with this???
Shapiro is a rabid Orthodox Jєω.
Judaism takes great pains to conceal its horrifying fundamental beliefs. The great pose is that Judaism is "monotheistic" (porking the "goddess" Shekinah at "the Wall" forfeits the "monotheistic" shuck), but despite all the pretensions of devotion to God, all Judaic cults are fundamentally self-worship. The full spectrum of Judaism, from "atheist" to "Chasidic" places oneself above God.
I stand by this.
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Longer thread from exactly a year ago for big-picture context.
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/jordan-peterson-another-sign-of-warning/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/jordan-peterson-another-sign-of-warning/)
Thank you. Also this was posted in 2022.
Quote from: Charity on July 05, 2022, 12:12:22 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/dr-jordan-peterson-goes-pro-fag/msg833677/#msg833677)
https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/02/jordan-peterson-is-a-slick-promoted-globalist-judas-goat/ (https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/02/jordan-peterson-is-a-slick-promoted-globalist-judas-goat/)
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Where did you come up with this???
Shapiro is a rabid Orthodox Jєω.
Shapiro was interviewed by some catholic bishop...bishop Barron on youtube...they had a lengthy talk. At one point, the bishop asked Shapiro about his belief in God and Shapiro basically stated he believed in some entity that created things (i.e. like the author of the big-bang), but that God didn't get involved in the affairs of men, he didn't care and that the OT was filled with myths. Also, that the messiah wouldn't be God, but a political leader. It was astounding. So, essentially, he's an atheist. Or, the modern-day version of a masonic deist.
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Shapiro was interviewed by some catholic bishop...bishop Barron on youtube...they had a lengthy talk. At one point, the bishop asked Shapiro about his belief in God and Shapiro basically stated he believed in some entity that created things (i.e. like the author of the big-bang), but that God didn't get involved in the affairs of men, he didn't care and that the OT was filled with myths. Also, that the messiah wouldn't be God, but a political leader. It was astounding. So, essentially, he's an atheist. Or, the modern-day version of a masonic deist.
he's a scuмbag. Hope he converts, and asks for forgiveness for blaspheming Christ.
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Shapiro was interviewed by some catholic bishop...bishop Barron on youtube...they had a lengthy talk. At one point, the bishop asked Shapiro about his belief in God and Shapiro basically stated he believed in some entity that created things (i.e. like the author of the big-bang), but that God didn't get involved in the affairs of men, he didn't care and that the OT was filled with myths. Also, that the messiah wouldn't be God, but a political leader. It was astounding. So, essentially, he's an atheist. Or, the modern-day version of a masonic deist.
Normally I might read such a post, roll my eyes, and move on, but since lately you've been such a PITA, I will address the above stupidities (plural!).
deism | ˈdēˌizəm, ˈdāˌizəm | nounbelief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.
atheism | ˈāTHēˌizəm | noun disbelief in the existence of God or gods
Not the same. Not even "essentially" the same.
I am forced to recall your pattern of incomprehension.
Jєωpedia claims him as an Orthodox Jєω. He has worn his Judaism on his shirtsleeve and yarmulke, so, in the absence of your alleged Barron Jєωtube vid, I'm going with: "Ben Shapiro is a damned Orthodox Jєω."
(https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/M7T8Q137Mej8A3w8NTcyMzg=/conservative-commentator-ben-shapiro-testifies-during-house-440nw-14580139bi.jpg)
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:facepalm: Deism is just practical atheism.
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:facepalm: Deism is just practical atheism.
:laugh2: Just as rationalization is practical stupidity… and still no Barron video.
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If this is the interview Pax speaks of, it looks like Shapiro identifies as an Orthodox Jew because he speaks of trying to follow all 603 commandments in the OT (in addition to the 10):
What’s the Catholic view on who gets into Heaven and who doesn’t? I feel like I lead a pretty good life, a very religiously-based life, in which I try to keep not just the Ten Commandments but a solid 603 other commandments as well. And I spend an awful lot of my time promulgating what I would consider to be ʝʊdɛօ-Christian virtues, particularly Western society’s. So, what’s the Catholic view of me? Am I basically screwed here?
NOW reported on this because it was the notorious interview where "Bishop" Barron told Shapiro he had no need to convert.
“Bp.” Robert Barron tells Jєωιѕн Man: No need to become Catholic, Jesus is only the “Privileged” Way – Novus Ordo Watch (https://novusordowatch.org/2018/12/robert-barron-ben-shapiro-no-need-to-become-catholic/)
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If this is the interview Pax speaks of, it looks like Shapiro identifies as an Orthodox Jєω because he speaks of trying to follow all 603 commandments in the OT (in addition to the 10):
What’s the Catholic view on who gets into Heaven and who doesn’t? I feel like I lead a pretty good life, a very religiously-based life, in which I try to keep not just the Ten Commandments but a solid 603 other commandments as well. And I spend an awful lot of my time promulgating what I would consider to be ʝʊdɛօ-Christian virtues, particularly Western society’s. So, what’s the Catholic view of me? Am I basically screwed here?
NOW reported on this because it was the notorious interview where "Bishop" Barron told Shapiro he had no need to convert.
“Bp.” Robert Barron tells Jєωιѕн Man: No need to become Catholic, Jesus is only the “Privileged” Way – Novus Ordo Watch (https://novusordowatch.org/2018/12/robert-barron-ben-shapiro-no-need-to-become-catholic/)
And yet PV somehow twisted that into "So, essentially, he's an atheist. Or, the modern-day version of a masonic deist"???
Go figure.
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Reminder that Dave Rubin (pseudo con of The Blaze cohort, early lifer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rubin#Early_life) zionist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rubin#Israel), sodomite cнιℓd тrαffιcker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rubin#Personal_life)) middle-named his "firstborn" after his good friend JP. See minute-long interview excerpt video @ https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1860352700694634639 (https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1860352700694634639)
G*y conservative Dave Rubin talks to Jordan Peterson about “having” kids and name one after Jordan “If i don’t do this then there is something wrong with me."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/1860352589805559809/img/dYoMQ0SxFm5qumV_?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Rubin only has an audience because he's part of that same crowd as Peterson. He's equally as insufferable. Unfortunately, in 2016, if you were a libertarian/conservative with a camera, you went viral doing absolutely nothing.
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Deism is practical atheism. Period.
Mark, I cant believe you’re apologizing for Ben Shapiro. You have an entire website devoted to the dangers of Zionism. Shapiro is as Zionist as they get. :facepalm:
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Mark, I cant believe you’re apologizing for Ben Shapiro. You have an entire website devoted to the dangers of Zionism. Shapiro is as Zionist as they get. :facepalm:
???? How did you get apologizing for Ben Shapiro out of Mark's posts? Mark has been (somewhat forcefully) suggesting that you use words with their correct meanings. The words "atheist" "deist" and "Orthodox Jew" all have their own distinct meanings. They may have some things in common, such as being false beliefs, but they should not be used interchangeably. The one that is the best match for Ben Shapiro is "Orthodox Jew". A person who completely despises Ben Shapiro might very well call him an Orthodox Jew. It is an accurate description, not an expression of approval. Not in general and especially not in Mark's case.
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Deism is practical atheism. Period.
Mark, I cant believe you’re apologizing for Ben Shapiro. You have an entire website devoted to the dangers of Zionism. Shapiro is as Zionist as they get. :facepalm:
I speak for myself.
Your mind is weak. Your "analyses" [snickering] are as consistently baseless, flawed, and hysterical as they are over-stated and self-important.
I offer in evidence: (1) your atheism-is-the-same-as-deism (and your "practically" revision) and, because I noted that "Shapiro is a rabid orthodox Jєω," you now claim (2) I apologize for Shapiro.
You are plum nuts.
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…(somewhat forcefully)…
So politely understated. :cowboy:
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BS is a deist. He believes God created the world and then stays out of the way. That’s practical atheism.
There are plenty of deists who are catholic, Orthodox Jew, Protestant, etc. Their philosophy of life towards God is very disordered, no matter what their official “religion” is.
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BS is a deist. He believes God created the world and then stays out of the way. That’s practical atheism.
There are plenty of deists who are catholic, Orthodox Jєω, Protestant, etc. Their philosophy of life towards God is very disordered, no matter what their official “religion” is.
Your "thinking" (such as it is) is as disordered as their philosophy.
Keep digging yourself deeper. In just handful of posts, you have lumped deists, Orthodox Jews, Prots, and "catholics" under your rubric of "atheist." It seems as if you'd define God Himself as an atheist as long as you can save face and not admit your first stupidity of claiming that a rabid Orthodox Jew is an atheist.
You are plum nuts.
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BS is a deist. He believes God created the world and then stays out of the way. That’s practical atheism.
There are plenty of deists who are catholic, Orthodox Jєω, Protestant, etc. Their philosophy of life towards God is very disordered, no matter what their official “religion” is.
None of this addresses your claim that Shapiro is a "self-admitted atheist". He clearly admits no such thing. This is something you have deduced (with a questionable line of reasoning). Shapiro would almost certainly deny being an atheist.
You were wrong and you would look better if you admitted it. You just criticized Sean for not admitting he was wrong about SV.
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I'm sorry you two can't comprehend the similarities between atheism (theoretical) and deism (practical atheism).
Atheism - God didn't create the world, He doesn't care about me and He doesn't get involved in temporal affairs.
Deism - God created the world, He doesn't care about me and He doesn't get involved in temporal affairs.
They are both VERY similar philosophies. They are both very flawed and heretical in multiple ways.
p.s. You can keep repeating that BS is an "orthodox jew" all you want. This isn't some badge of honor, nor does it earn him any kind of respect, or automatically mean he's some type of moral, upstanding guy. Orthodox jewry is way worse than Protestantism; at least protestants believe in Christ and a personal relationship with God. Orthodox jewry is nothing more than the modern day version of the Pharaisees....their life revolves around politics and following some kind of "legalistic rulebook" which they call a "religion".
Even BS admitted his religion is about following some "600 different laws". And why does he do this if he doesn't believe that God cares or gets involved with his life? I have no idea but it's a strange version of insanity.
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They are both VERY similar philosophies. They are both very flawed and heretical in multiple ways.
It does not matter how similar you think they are. Ben Shapiro does not admit to being an atheist as you claimed.
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:facepalm: He admitted to being a deist. Deism is practical atheism. Quit acting like an autistic person, and look at the bigger picture.
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:facepalm: He admitted to being a deist. Deism is practical atheism. Quit acting like an autistic person, and look at the bigger picture.
Quit acting like a liar.
Ben Shapiro did NOT admit to being an atheist.
You lied and now you are turning yourself inside out to escape your lie.
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Ben Shapiro did NOT admit to being an atheist.
Are you autistic?
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Are you autistic?
No.
Ben Shapiro is odious indeed, but he did NOT admit to being an atheist.
You are seriously malfunctioning to have said he did.
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How long are you guys going to go back and forth? :popcorn:
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How long are you guys going to go back and forth? :popcorn:
Glad that you are as amused as I. I am happy to share my popcorn with you.
I have to laugh.
A carefully crafted sentence from PV prefaced with "It seems to me that Ben Shapiro…" could have avoided much.
Stating that Ben Shapiro is a "self-admitted" atheist was a lie and, as with many lies, it takes more lies to avoiding admitting the lie. So far, 4 pages of dissembling when a simple retraction would have sufficed. That PV continues to defend his absurd claim suggests that the claim was not just a simple careless brain fart.
I am curious how long it will take PV to admit and retract the lie.
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A carefully crafted sentence…could have avoided much.
Ok you’re not autistic, but OCD.
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Ok you’re not autistic, but OCD.
If I was a liar like you, would you still claim I am OCD?
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Shapiro was interviewed by some catholic bishop...bishop Barron on youtube...they had a lengthy talk. At one point, the bishop asked Shapiro about his belief in God and Shapiro basically stated he believed in some entity that created things (i.e. like the author of the big-bang), but that God didn't get involved in the affairs of men, he didn't care and that the OT was filled with myths. Also, that the messiah wouldn't be God, but a political leader. It was astounding. So, essentially, he's an atheist. Or, the modern-day version of a masonic deist.
So, this is a video where "Bishop" Barron interviews Shapiro? The one I referred to upthread was the other way around, so it's probably not the same one you are referring to here. Can you find and post it (I know there is a lot to wade through)? I think if you could provide the interview and a timestamp it would help shed some needed light on this.
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Ok you’re not autistic, but OCD.
So when you repeatedly post about your belief that Sean should admit that he was wrong, is it because you are autistic or OCD?
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:facepalm: He admitted to being a deist. Deism is practical atheism.
The expression "Deism is pratical atheism" refers to people who acknowledge the existence of a Creator (while not recognizing God's continuing providential care) but live as though there were no God. There actually are people like that and it is reasonable to describe them that way. The expression does not mean that it is correct to use the words "atheism" and "deism" interchangeably.
Ben Shapiro does not live as though there were no God. He claims that he follows 613 Commandments that were given by God. It is not reasonable to speak of "practical atheism" in this case. You can quite reasonably say that Shapiro has a false concept of God, but he did not admit to being an atheist.
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So when you repeatedly post about your belief that Sean should admit that he was wrong, is it because you are autistic or OCD?
Aren't we all a little autistic or OCD on here? :jester: