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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2023, 01:56:26 PM »
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  • I hope you saved the callmejorgebergoglio blog because it's gone.
    I archived almost everything on archive.org and archive.is

    Just go to the archive sites and search for the original URL.

    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #31 on: November 21, 2023, 01:58:08 PM »
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  • From my understanding, he seems to want to be very, very certain that he can and will in good faith actually and genuinely *live out* his belief as opposed to making some kind of milquetoast commitment. This video can shed more light though:

    2 Kings 5 and Naman's conversion story comes to mind, specifically the part where Naman says this:

    "Yet may the LORD forgive your servant this one thing: When my master goes into the temple of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my arm, and I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD forgive your servant in this matter.”

    The response Elisha gives is interesting. He says, “Go in peace.” Matthew Henry, in his commentary, has this to say: "It is not well violently to oppose the lesser mistakes which unite with men's first convictions; we cannot bring men forward any faster than the Lord prepares them to receive instruction."

    That made a lot of sense to me. Christ's message about not putting new wine into old wineskins also comes to mind.

    In any case, I can't help but think that the Holy Spirit often works slowly, "degree by degree" as the saying goes. Surely being brought to (or brought back to) Christianity, albeit perhaps an imperfect kind, is better than being left as an atheist in the devil's grip?

    I agree with this, and that's actually one of the things I like about JP. He's not saying he found "the light", per se. Rather, he's showing others some of the places he believes the light can be found in--and he keeps pointing more and more towards Christianity.
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #32 on: November 21, 2023, 02:35:45 PM »
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  • In any case, I can't help but think that the Holy Spirit often works slowly, "degree by degree" as the saying goes. Surely being brought to (or brought back to) Christianity, albeit perhaps an imperfect kind, is better than being left as an atheist in the devil's grip?

    I agree with this, and that's actually one of the things I like about JP. He's not saying he found "the light", per se. Rather, he's showing others some of the places he believes the light can be found in--and he keeps pointing more and more towards Christianity.

    I 100% agree with the first sentence especially in the case of a private individual. Yet what I have been trying to point out in several posts is that we are not speaking here of a private individual. In fact, "some of the places he believes the light can be found in" might be very dangerous places spiritually. 

    I fully recognize that everyone's path is different, and if someone takes a more tortuous or foolish route toward the Truth, that is part of Divine Providence. If Mrs. JP is on this path, wonderful. If JP gets there on his own schedule, wonderful. (Hence your very relevant quote re Elisha.) But until they do, that's their private business with their families, close friends, mentors, and most importantly, their confessors.

    Yet again, what I've been trying to point out in several posts is that we should be wary of ignorant feel-good cheerleading and condoning what may turn out to be false shepherds, especially if any impressionable ones in our private lives look to us for guidance. Even if these public figures are indeed sincere in their own hearts and souls, there still remains for them the temptation of pride, where the roar of the crowd will stall them in what the faithless and faceless mob wants to hear.

    So much of what we see in the media is a curated reality show not intended for our spiritual good. If TV and the internet had existed back in the days of Saint Augustine and he had chronicled his own conversion process in real time, how many in the crowd would have wowed at his edgy Manichean phase and disappointed when he left that falsity behind for good?
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #33 on: November 21, 2023, 03:17:31 PM »
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  • Yet again, what I've been trying to point out in several posts is that we should be wary of ignorant feel-good cheerleading and condoning what may turn out to be false shepherds, especially if any impressionable ones in our private lives look to us for guidance. Even if these public figures are indeed sincere in their own hearts and souls, there still remains for them the temptation of pride, where the roar of the crowd will stall them in what the faithless and faceless mob wants to hear.
    I agree and think we have to be careful in who we look to as leaders or who we let influence us. Thus, "You will know them by their fruits," is wisdom to always keep in mind I think when trying to make those decisions.

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #34 on: November 21, 2023, 03:41:19 PM »
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  • Actually...this makes the 666 hand gesture way more significant.  Because it's the mark of the beast.

    Let's not pretend this photo was some accident.

    I just opened the photo for the first time now, and I'd have to concur regarding the 666 gesture.  That is not a natural way to hold something, as it takes deliberate exertion to hold the other 3 fingers up that way, and the fact that he's holding the "Beast" seems to confirm it.


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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #35 on: November 21, 2023, 03:51:35 PM »
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  • Should Catholics have followed St Augustine BEFORE he converted just because sometimes he said something Catholic?

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #36 on: November 21, 2023, 03:54:20 PM »
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  • Another Epic Fail in Taylor Marshall’s ‘Infiltration’ — Taylor Marshall write that Pope Saint Pius X was Polish in his book Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within. Does Marshall know how to do basic research much less use a search engine? How embarrassing!

    I think that whoever wrote this needs to do a bit of research.  Pope St. Pius X's father was in fact Polish, born Jan Krawiec, the latter being the Polish word for "Tailor", which he translated to the Italian equivalent "Sarto".
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    He was born Giuseppe (Joseph) Melchiorre Sarto into a family of nine children on a small farm in the little village of Riese in the Province of Treviso, Italy near Venice on June 2, 1835 during the pontificate of Pope Gregory XVI. His father Giovanni Battista Sarto, a former postman and yet a cobbler by trade, died when Joseph was very young in 1852. Giovanni had been born Jan Krawiec in Wielkopolska, Poland, a tailor by trade. When Poland fell into Prussian hands, Jan and his wife sought political asylum in Italy. There he became a mailman first outside Treviso in Godero, Italy, and then settling in Riese. To offset any assimilation to his Polish roots for fear of reprisal, Jan translated his name to Giovanni Battista, still the same patron saint he was baptised under and adopted the Italian word for tailor - "sarto" as his new surname.


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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #37 on: November 22, 2023, 03:16:10 AM »
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  • I know that there's absolutely no one in this world that can escape the usual conspiracy rhetoric on this site.

    However, I think this news of Mrs. Peterson's conversion is wonderful. I hope Mr. Peterson finds his way eventually as well.

    I put the quote from him in my signature as a unique opinion of a non-Catholic, but perhaps someday it won't be from someone outside looking in.


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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #38 on: November 23, 2023, 09:50:31 AM »
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  • Should Catholics have followed St Augustine BEFORE he converted just because sometimes he said something Catholic?
    What would be the analogy here in this situation?

    I put the quote from him in my signature as a unique opinion of a non-Catholic, but perhaps someday it won't be from someone outside looking in.
    He got that idea from Jung, IIRC because Jung thought the same.

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #39 on: November 23, 2023, 10:08:47 AM »
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  • What would be the analogy here in this situation?
    Despite his personal brilliance, Catholics should wait until after Dr Peterson's conversion to be influenced by his teachings. Hoping and praying for him is appropriate.

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #40 on: November 23, 2023, 10:14:48 AM »
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  • Peterson is not even close to converting, he's a complete modernist, an insufferable sophist and hasn't even the tiniest bit of intellectual honesty, all of which can be easily seen in just this 50 second clip:

    https://youtu.be/V0PWQylV7Ec?feature=shared

    This is far from an isolated incident. Furthermore, Peterson admits he's not even right wing, he worked for the UN on some Marxist docuмent and his stated goal is to slow down the leftist revolution SO THAT THE RIGHT DOES NOT WAKE UP AND FIGHT.


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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #41 on: November 23, 2023, 10:16:49 AM »
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  • He looks mentally unwell and his mannerisms are also quite fαɢɢօtty.


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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #42 on: November 23, 2023, 12:34:53 PM »
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  • I agree and think we have to be careful in who we look to as leaders or who we let influence us. Thus, "You will know them by their fruits," is wisdom to always keep in mind I think when trying to make those decisions.
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #43 on: November 23, 2023, 12:45:19 PM »
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #44 on: November 23, 2023, 01:39:45 PM »
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  • Opus Dei saint miracle:

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    Thanks for pointing out this article, that shows Opus Dei involved
    in this story. 
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