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Jesus Promise to St. Faustina
« on: September 28, 2013, 11:57:26 AM »
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  • The Conversion of Sinners and the Salvation of Souls
    Divine Mercy Acts of Faith

    Praying for the Conversion of Sinners
    One of the most important aspects of the Devotion to Divine Mercy is understanding that we are called to help Jesus to convert sinners and to save souls. Jesus explained to St. Faustina, “The loss of each soul plunges Me into mortal sadness. You always console Me when you pray for sinners. The prayer most pleasing to Me is prayer for the conversion of sinners. Know, My daughter, that this prayer is always heard and answered”. (Diary 1397)

    The Conversion of Sinners Prayer
    We can pray the Conversion of Sinners Prayer throughout our day because it is a short prayer. Jesus told St. Faustina, “I desire that you know more profoundly the love that burns in My Heart for souls, and you will understand this when you meditate upon My Passion. Call upon My mercy on behalf of sinners; I desire their salvation. When you say this prayer, with a contrite heart and with faith on behalf of some sinner, I will give him the grace of conversion. This is the prayer: “O Blood and Water, which gushed forth from the Heart of Jesus as a fount of Mercy for us, I trust in You”. (Diary 186-187)

    Faith, Hope and Love
    It requires faith, hope and love to convert sinners and save souls. We need faith because you can’t see or know that your prayers are effective. We need hope, because we trust in the goodness and mercy of God to honour our prayers to convert sinners and save souls. We need love because we must sacrifice your time and make the effort to pray for people we might not even know, but who desperately need our prayers.

    Praying for the Dying
    We must also pray every day for the dying. Jesus asks us to “Pray as much as you can for the dying. Obtain for them trust in My mercy, because they have most need of trust, and have it the least. Be assured that the grace of eternal salvation for certain souls in their final moment depends on your prayer”. (Diary 1777) We don’t have to be physically present at the bedside of a dying person or even know who they are. We must just trust that when we say the Chaplet of Divine Mercy for dying souls, that Jesus accepts this prayer and uses it to save souls. He told St. Faustina, “At the hour of their death, I defend as My own glory every soul that will say this chaplet; or when others say it for a dying person, the indulgence is the same. When this chaplet is said by the bedside of a dying person, God’s anger is placated, unfathomable mercy envelops the soul, and the very depths of My tender mercy are moved for the sake of the sorrowful Passion of My Son”. (Diary 811)

    Offering up our Sufferings
    When our Western society was a more Christian culture, it was common to be advised to offer up our little sufferings to Heaven. In many respects, this was an empty slogan rather than a deep understanding that God genuinely uses our prayers and sacrifices to save souls. He explained to St. Faustina, “Know that it is your mission to win souls for Me by prayer and sacrifice, and by encouraging them to trust in My mercy”. (Diary 1690)

    We all have daily sufferings, but if we are mindful, we can use these sufferings along with our prayers to convert sinners and to save the souls of the dying. This is part of our duty as Divine Mercy devotees. We are blessed by God to have faith in this devotion for it is not everyone who has been given this gift, so since we are privileged to have received this priceless gift from God, we must play our part in this devotion every day. We must take this seriously also because Jesus has told us that the loss of every soul “plunges Me into mortal sadness” so we can help Jesus by praying the conversion prayer and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy to save dying souls.
    Telling Others

    When we meet other Catholics, we should explain to them the importance of saying these prayers and what God is calling us to do to help Him to save souls. We can help educate other Catholics by distributing leaflets in our parish and through our weekly prayer meetings. We can set up Divine Mercy Prayer meetings and pray as a group for the salvation of souls. There are many ways in which we can participate in the salvation of souls from private prayer at home to joining or starting a prayer group. But it is most important that we comprehend this aspect of the Divine Mercy Devotion and incorporate it into our daily lives. You can be assured that God will not be found wanting in His gratitude for your faith, hope and love.
     


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    Jesus Promise to St. Faustina
    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 11:02:54 AM »
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  • How about this so-called "promise" from "Our Lord" to "Saint" Faustina?

    “From today on, do not fear God’s judgment, for you will not be judged” (§374, p. 168).  :stare:

    Our Lord would never say that!

    It was condemned, and this despite the fact that the prayers themselves of the chaplet of Divine Mercy are orthodox.  Condemned by the Holy Office There were two decrees from Rome on this question, both of the time of Pope John XXIII. The Supreme Congregation of the Holy Office, in a plenary meeting held on November 19, 1958, made the following decisions: 1. The supernatural nature of the revelations made to Sister Faustina is not evident.  2. No feast of Divine Mercy is to be instituted.  3. It is forbidden to divulge images and writings that propagate this devotion under the form received by Sister Faustina.

    The second decree of the Holy Office was on March 6, 1959, in which the following was established:  1. The diffusion of images and writings promoting the devotion to Divine Mercy under the form proposed by the same Sister Faustina was forbidden.  2. The prudence of the bishops is to judge as to the removal of the aforesaid images that are already displayed for public honor.  

    Read more here.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Dubious-Devotions-Mentions-Divine-Mercy
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Jesus Promise to St. Faustina
    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 10:42:50 PM »
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  • I also think she is a sham.  I first read the books about 20 years ago and was never comfortable with her message.  

    Among other things I never could believe that Jesus would ask for a novena to be started to Divine Mercy on Good Friday.  

    There are too many bona fide apparitions to waste time on dubious ones.

    Marsha

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    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 12:14:08 AM »
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  • Yup, the Dubious Devotions post included that reference, SJB.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 12:42:56 AM »
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  • You really think Rainbow Jesus told Faustina to usurp the rosary and dump Easter?

    Have you READ Faustina's Porn Stash? To be charitable, she was probably paranoid schizophrenic. But I really wish Russia or Germany would have done something with Poland before Faustina's "works" and Wojtyla slouched towards Bethlehem to be born.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #6 on: October 12, 2013, 08:35:30 AM »
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  • How about this on page 612 of her book, Mercy in My Soul Diary: “I bear a special love for Poland, and if she will be obedient to My will, I will exalt her in might and holiness.  From her will come forth the spark that will prepare the world for My final coming.”

    Sounds like Satan speaking to her especially since that 'spark' to come from Poland was none other than the Antichrist, John Paul II.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 12, 2013, 01:58:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    You really think Rainbow Jesus told Faustina to usurp the rosary and dump Easter?

    Have you READ Faustina's Porn Stash? To be charitable, she was probably paranoid schizophrenic. But I really wish Russia or Germany would have done something with Poland before Faustina's "works" and Wojtyla slouched towards Bethlehem to be born.


    What is the gist of what her books say?
    Did she have some fantasy about Jesus or something?
    And what miracles proved she is a saint?


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    « Reply #8 on: April 16, 2014, 10:48:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    You really think Rainbow Jesus told Faustina to usurp the rosary and dump Easter?

    Have you READ Faustina's Porn Stash? To be charitable, she was probably paranoid schizophrenic. But I really wish Russia or Germany would have done something with Poland before Faustina's "works" and Wojtyla slouched towards Bethlehem to be born.


    Are you an expert on paranoid schizophrenia? If so, exactly which symptoms did she exhibit? Just curious, in case you happen to be highly qualified in the diagnosis of mental health conditions.

    What exactly do you wish Russia or Germany had "done" to Poland? Annihilated it off the face of the earth in a charitable way for its own good? The Soviet Union being a bastion of Christian morality was best placed to mete out Divine punishment was it?

    Her work is controversial but if you view it as a "porn stash" I put it to you that it says more about the workings of your mind than anything else.  That's me being charitable and exhibiting restraint in my use of language.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 11:40:45 AM »
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  • Maxine, your first post on Cathinfo - welcome.

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    Are you an expert on paranoid schizophrenia? If so, exactly which symptoms did she exhibit? Just curious, in case you happen to be highly qualified in the diagnosis of mental health conditions.


    One does not have to be an expert on mental illness to discern when another soul exhibits abnormality.  Logical deduction suffices.  We don't need "experts" to tell us the obvious.
    That being said, I'd like to hear StCeceliasGirl's thoughts on this, primarily because I like her straightforward commentary.

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    What exactly do you wish Russia or Germany had "done" to Poland? Annihilated it off the face of the earth in a charitable way for its own good? The Soviet Union being a bastion of Christian morality was best placed to mete out Divine punishment was it?


    Your projection of intent is uncharitable to say the least.  
    However, to the bolded part... the God of Justice has.  


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    Her work is controversial but if you view it as a "porn stash" I put it to you that it says more about the workings of your mind than anything else.


    Her work is not controversial - that's modernist speak.  Her work is condemned.

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    That's me being charitable and exhibiting restraint in my use of language.


    Of course, this should be the guiding light in all discourse at all times.  Glad you've joined the forum.  

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    « Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 03:43:27 PM »
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  • It's quite a statement to call someone a paranoid schizophrenic unless one has a full understanding of the condition. Many people can experience delusions and hallucinations and I'm certainly not here to defend Sr Faustina's mental state. What is ridiculous is to diagnose without full knowledge or understanding.

    It's also an inflammatory statement to ask for something to be "done" to a country. I assume by her statement she meant all out war against the country, unless she comes out and explains otherwise.

    Perhaps it may be worth considering all those who perished at the hands of the Soviets simply because of ethnic and religious differences, likewise Catholics fearing for their future in Ukraine right now.

    What do you mean the God of Justice has? Poland is still on the map is it not?


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    « Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 01:46:20 AM »
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  • Still trying to work out what is pornographic about this text.  As far as I can see there is no graphic detail of sɛҳuąƖ acts or fantasies.  Am going to have a chat with my priest about this later, given that my personal sɛҳuąƖ experience is quite limited and I don't have a wide ranging knowledge of human sexuaity as others here obviously have. Perhaps my priest can explain to me in my innocence what I am missing.....

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    « Reply #12 on: April 17, 2014, 11:26:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Maxine
    It's quite a statement to call someone a paranoid schizophrenic unless one has a full understanding of the condition. Many people can experience delusions and hallucinations and I'm certainly not here to defend Sr Faustina's mental state. What is ridiculous is to diagnose without full knowledge or understanding.


    PED said that we dont need experts to diagnose these conditions, but that just goes to show everyone that psychiatry is now a new morality in western society. You do need experts, and not just experts, honest experts on this subject. The woman was probably a very holy woman who wrote her fancies down for her own benefit, some say she is crazy, but she is probably in heaven as we speak. Also there is another opinion circulating which says that the diaries of St Faustina are a fraud, in that she never wrote these diaries but someone else did and attributed them to her.
    No one here knows, and the people who do know wont tell us. Btw I am supposedly a paranoid schizophrenic, and I just find this throwing around of labels on people one does not like to be un-Christian. Psychiatry is an atheist doctrine, never forget that. We are all schizophrenics according to them, and in the soviet union we would be serving life sentences in hospital prisons because we are Catholic and have "sluggish schizophrenia". There is a book on "political psychiatry" covering the abuses of people's ignorance in the soviet union out there.

    Again lets just try to act like good Christians and not hurl around labels at anyone.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 17, 2014, 12:44:25 PM »
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  • SG, agreed with all you said, especially
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    Psychiatry is an atheist doctrine,

    and that is why we don't / won't have "honest experts."

    My point is that common sense and logic dictate when you read the writings of someone or speak to them, in regard to dysfunction.  We don't need experts to diagnose what we inherently sense is abnormal, because there is no science to psychatric diagnoses.    

    Re: Sr Faustina - as you noted,  i believe the schizophrenia feel to her writings is due to all the authors!  Not just Faustina.  I won't get into all that here.  Someone kindly posted a link to another Cathinfo thread where Sr. Faustina issues were already discussed.

    Just remember that  her writings were recognized as inconsistent with the Faith and  condemned, then along comes JP2, who "canonized".  Scandalous.

    Bottom line:  look at the fruit.  Hardly a soul in the novus ordo church has devotion to the Sacred Heart, and the image of the divine mercy has been morphed into an all seeing eye with rays emenating down in a pyramid.  The older images clearly illustrated blood and water in a shower from the heart, not a glowing eye/pyramid, such as is common in masonic imagery. The image has been co-opted to serve the prince of this world, via a diabolical 'devotion'.   No different than all the other ʝʊdɛօ masonic symbols associated with the Vatican now, including papal vestments.
    The cult in Rome is not Catholic and they are directing worship to their god, not ours.

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