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Offline TheKnightVigilant

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« on: January 25, 2014, 04:33:13 PM »
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  • Had an encounter with two Jehovah's Witnesses who knocked on my door today. I have scarce knowledge of the JW's false theology but these two at least were viciously anti-Catholic. When I informed them of my Catholicism they told me that the Catholic Church was a false sect created by men, that the Catholic Church withheld Sacred Scripture from the common people for 1500 years, that Catholics are "always killing other people just like the Muslims", and (bizarrely) that "Catholics bombed this country during WW2". I responded to every argument to the best of my abilities but the poor men were thoroughly entrenched in their false positions. When they asked me the question "what hope is there for the dead?" I responded "Those who belong to the one true Church that Christ founded can hope for salvation, but those who reject it will go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels", quoting Matthew 25:41, at which point they denied the existence of hell. Later on they denied the existence of the soul, and actually asked me "where in scripture does it say that people have souls?". When they attacked Christ's Church for the umpteenth time, I think upon the "Catholics are always killing people just like the Muslims" remark, I decided I'd had enough and said "You belong to a false religion which is of the devil. Goodbye" before closing the door in their faces. In retrospect I should have handled that better and behaved more reasonably, but in anger my judgement became clouded.

    In any case, it was a bizarre experience. First time I've engaged in a heated debate on my doorstep. Now I want to learn more about this false religion in the event that I have occasion to debate them again.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 25, 2014, 04:50:20 PM »
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  • If Catholics would join together, recognize the obvious state of sedevacante and stop wasting time by denying Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Blood, we could as a unified force begin to deal with the sectarians.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #2 on: January 25, 2014, 05:22:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ambrose
    If Catholics would join together, recognize the obvious state of sedevacante and stop wasting time by denying Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Blood, we could as a unified force begin to deal with the sectarians.  

    How would you suggest we deal with them? There are so few people left who believe in even most of the Church's teachings.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 06:27:21 PM »
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  • I have zero respect of JHers since about 15 years ago when they thought it was their right to come into my parish for Mass and express their views.

    I sat in front of a couple who hissed "He is stupid" and "That is stupid" as the priest gave his homily one Sunday.

    The diocese got a restraining order against them they felt was not valid, so they were arrested and went to jail, that fixed them.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 06:52:45 PM »
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  • I can't claim an exhaustive knowledge of this bizarre sect, but from what I've read & been told by acquaintances (may God have mercy on them) who belong to the sect they deny even those doctrines which most protestants retain. They deny the divinity of Christ, so of course it logically follows that they deny the Trinity, they deny the eternal punishment of those who die in mortal sin, they say that St. Michael the Archangel & Our Lord are the same person. They are pacifists, that is they deny that one has any right to self-defence under any circuмstances. They are millenarians believing in the coming of a terrestrial paradise, if I remember right they also deny the resurrection of the body. The aggression you described would seem to indicate that they've been through a programme of brainwashing. They're conditioned never to think about any counter-argument offered but rather to simply parrot their talking-points over & over. Humanly speaking there's really nothing anyone can do for them once they've reached this stage. One must leave them to their fate & pray that God would enlighten these poor fools by a miracle of His grace.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 07:34:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: Ambrose
    If Catholics would join together, recognize the obvious state of sedevacante and stop wasting time by denying Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire and Blood, we could as a unified force begin to deal with the sectarians.  

    How would you suggest we deal with them? There are so few people left who believe in even most of the Church's teachings.


    The Church is an indestructible force when Catholics act as a unified force under the lawful pastors of the Church.

    We are not in a position to battle with the sects, as we are in a battle ourselves with the Conciliar church, and with others who say they follow the tradition of the Church, yet deny dogmatic truths.  

    Last, we are also not able to convince fellow Catholics that the man Francis is a heretic, therefore an antipope.  The Church will not be a force against heretics until a Pope comes again, and this endless belief that public heretical antipopes are popes is dramatically slowing down the process of having a lawful election of a Pope.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 25, 2014, 08:22:33 PM »
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    They deny the divinity of Christ, so of course it logically follows that

    they deny the Trinity,

    they deny the eternal punishment of those who die in mortal sin,

    they say that St. Michael the Archangel & Our Lord are the same person.

    They are pacifists, that is

    they deny that one has any right to self-defence under any circuмstances.

    They are millenarians believing in the coming of a terrestrial paradise,

    they also deny the resurrection of the body.

    they've been through a programme of brainwashing.

    They're conditioned never to think about any counter-argument offered but rather to simply parrot their talking-points over & over.


    And they don't know how to party!

    No celebrations:
    No Christmas
    No Easter
    No birthdays.

    Apart from that they're very nice people.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 25, 2014, 10:08:16 PM »
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  • I've found them to be exceptionally nice people too.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 25, 2014, 10:54:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
    Had an encounter with two Jehovah's Witnesses who knocked on my door today. I have scarce knowledge of the JW's false theology but these two at least were viciously anti-Catholic. When I informed them of my Catholicism they told me that the Catholic Church was a false sect created by men, that the Catholic Church withheld Sacred Scripture from the common people for 1500 years, that Catholics are "always killing other people just like the Muslims", and (bizarrely) that "Catholics bombed this country during WW2". I responded to every argument to the best of my abilities but the poor men were thoroughly entrenched in their false positions. When they asked me the question "what hope is there for the dead?" I responded "Those who belong to the one true Church that Christ founded can hope for salvation, but those who reject it will go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels", quoting Matthew 25:41, at which point they denied the existence of hell. Later on they denied the existence of the soul, and actually asked me "where in scripture does it say that people have souls?". When they attacked Christ's Church for the umpteenth time, I think upon the "Catholics are always killing people just like the Muslims" remark, I decided I'd had enough and said "You belong to a false religion which is of the devil. Goodbye" before closing the door in their faces. In retrospect I should have handled that better and behaved more reasonably, but in anger my judgement became clouded.

    In any case, it was a bizarre experience. First time I've engaged in a heated debate on my doorstep. Now I want to learn more about this false religion in the event that I have occasion to debate them again.


    You did the right thing.  You explained Catholicism to them.  I would suggest that next time you really lay it on thick and tell them that you are sorry for them because they are being led by Satan.  I was going to say that it would be good to pray for them (it would be good) but I think the Holy Souls in Purgatory are far more deserving of our precious prayer time here and now.  

    Research the Jehovah's Witnesses and find out the name of the con artist who started the whole thing and throw that in their faces.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 25, 2014, 10:56:13 PM »
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    They deny the divinity of Christ, so of course it logically follows that

    they deny the Trinity,

    they deny the eternal punishment of those who die in mortal sin,

    they say that St. Michael the Archangel & Our Lord are the same person.

    They are pacifists, that is

    they deny that one has any right to self-defence under any circuмstances.

    They are millenarians believing in the coming of a terrestrial paradise,

    they also deny the resurrection of the body.

    they've been through a programme of brainwashing.

    They're conditioned never to think about any counter-argument offered but rather to simply parrot their talking-points over & over.


    And they don't know how to party!

    No celebrations:
    No Christmas
    No Easter
    No birthdays.

    Apart from that they're very nice people.


    Say, just like the stupid hoax known as Noachidism, maybe the Jehovah's Witness religion was started by a Jєωιѕн agitator to lead the stupid into perdition?  It's at least likely.  

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    « Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 11:56:07 PM »
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  • I have heard they believe in the annihilation of the reprobate souls, as opposed to eternal damnation in Hell.

    On a separate note, they do not dance!  :stare:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 25, 2014, 11:58:53 PM »
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    I have heard they believe in the annihilation of the reprobate souls, as opposed to eternal damnation in Hell.

    On a separate note, they do not dance!  :stare:


    Michael Jackson and his entire family are/were JH.

    You can dance if you write a big enough check.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 26, 2014, 12:16:35 AM »
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  • Spot on Captain McQuigg! I looked up Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the sect, & he was indeed a rabid zionist.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2014, 01:00:56 AM »
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  • http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Apologetics/How-To-Talk-To-Jehovahs-Witnesses.htm

    http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Apologetics/Jehovah-Witnesses-History-Techniques.htm

    http://lxoaarchive.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/wj.pdf

    (That last site looks like something worthy of exploration. Over 150 Catholic pamphlets!)
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    « Reply #14 on: January 26, 2014, 01:20:21 AM »
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    Michael Jackson and his entire family are/were JH.


     :dancing-banana:  I think you meant Mormon, not JW!  Not that either is any good!

    The JWs in NYC are mostly Spanish speaking, former Catholics who never knew their Faith, hence, when a couple of well-dressed nice ladies show up at their door...

    Personally, I've not had good experiences with JWs.  When I was very young, my mother and I were literally followed out of a public restroom and chased across a playground in a PA state park.  The pair backed off only when my Dad emerged from our camping trailer.  
    Years later, I had two women and a boy of about 9 "accidentally" enter my upstairs apartment.  The stairs were part of the apartment, so I can understand someone initially making the mistake, but I had two signs posted, one on the back door, another at the top of the stairs.  I heard them from my bedroom, and when I opened the door, they walked right in despite the fact that I was wearing a night gown!  The lady with the briefcase fall of Watchtowers sat on the window seat and began her speech!  The only one with enough sense to be embarrassed was the boy who was red-faced and staring at his shoes.  They had been let into the building by a downstairs neighbor whom, I later found out, had told them NOT to bother the other tenants.  Unbelievably, I was asked, "What do think is the cause for the decline of morals in the world?"  I missed my chance.  The right answer was, "Heretics who walk uninvited into other people's houses.  Get out!"  Instead, I said something like, "Can't you see I've got the flu?  Please leave.  I'm not interested in changing my religion."  They left a few tracts on the hall table, despite my telling them no.  The mayor of the tiny upstate NY village met with their "pastor" or whatever he's called and basically told him to stop sending his people because nearly everyone was either Catholic, Mennonite or Baptist, and all three considered JWs to be a cult.  The Kingdom Hall wasn't there more than a few years.  Last time I saw the building, it was a veterinary office!
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