Author Topic: It seems my grandparents issued an ultimatum... (Read 5871 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **on:** December 07, 2013, 09:14:48 AM »

This clearly shows the mindset of your usual Protestant, Republican, and "conservative" voter these days.

Anyway my grandparents gave me the ultimatum (after I told them I refuse to spend my hard-earned money at Big Business) of moving to another state with them or staying behind and only keeping in occasional contact with them (I live 5 minutes away from them right now).

Anyone who has read my posts on this site knows I am about as right-wing as they come and a part of the deal for being close to them was I must shed my "communist, progressive, liberal, socialist, sexist, racist, nαzι, fascist, anti-Semetic, anti-capitalist and wierdo views and said I was an Obama lover (How these all can be grouped together in the same paragraph is something that is beyond me)." I preceeded to tell them that if they were really on the Right and as "conservative" as they say they are (meaning the GOP's view of being "conservative") they would agree with my views.

This really shows the asinine world of your basic Republican, Southern, and Calvinist voter who thinks that all the views of the world that don't agree with them must be liberal and communist. Needless to say I quickly told them that I would stay right here where I was for their mislabelled terms and needless hypocrisy. :wink: With views like this, these days how can a Catholic ever change any nation for the better really considering that those on the Right would label him with his historic enemies of liberals and communists?

soulguard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2013, 09:33:42 AM »

Is there any reason why you need to live with your grandparents?

If not, let them move. Don't let them take the TLM from you.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2013, 09:35:35 AM »

Quote from: soulguard

Is there any reason why you need to live with your grandparents?

If not, let them move. Don't let them take the TLM from you.

I don't live with them. I live close to them however. They were moving out of state and were asking me if I wanted to go with them.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2013, 10:00:09 AM »

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Is there any reason why you need to live with your grandparents?

If not, let them move. Don't let them take the TLM from you.

I don't live with them. I live close to them however. They were moving out of state and were asking me if I wanted to go with them.

How did the ultimatum come about?

Thorn · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2013, 10:05:11 AM »

Trad Guy, I gave up reading your posts long ago, but read this one.
Since you posted & almost seemed like you were asking for it - here goes:

Your grandparents have been on this earth much longer than you have & have experienced more than you so if I were you I'd take a good long look at myself & them. They must think a lot of you & love you to invite you to move with them, for starters. Why are they moving & how far away are they moving? Why are you calling it an ultimatum as if they're kicking you out of their lives?

Before we go any further, I got the impression from you when you first started here that you were a young, know-it-all guy that didn't REALLY know it all. I would think long & hard about this "ultimatum". It looks more like an invitation to me. There must be a good reason why older people would up & move to another state. What is that reason? Have you bothered to ask them?

After you've answered all these questions, then make up your mind whether you want to stay or to accept their gracious invitation to move with them. Maybe, just maybe, this move will be all for the best - for all of you.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2013, 10:09:08 AM »

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How did the ultimatum come about?

Their house in the suburb is being foreclosed so they have to move.

soulguard · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2013, 11:15:41 AM »

I don't know what to say to you Tradguy20, other than ask whether this move has something got to do with you staying Catholic?

Need more info.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2013, 11:30:42 AM »

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Your grandparents have been on this earth much longer than you have & have experienced more than you so if I were you I'd take a good long look at myself & them

They may have been on this earth longer, but I definitely have more experience in life; in terms of lack of social justice for the worker, in terms of the reality of race, in terms of seeing how fruitless a desire to hoard and spend money is, etc. I have interacted with Jєωs while they have not ever met a Jєω in their life and I also try to make myself a good Traditional Catholic while they are deists.

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They must think a lot of you & love you to invite you to move with them, for starters. Why are they moving & how far away are they moving? Why are you calling it an ultimatum as if they're kicking you out of their lives?

Well I am not calling into question if they "love" me or not but it was an ultimatum since they told me that I would agree with their political views or I would stay far away from them.

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Before we go any further, I got the impression from you when you first started here that you were a young, know-it-all guy that didn't REALLY know it all. I would think long & hard about this "ultimatum". It looks more like an invitation to me. There must be a good reason why older people would up & move to another state. What is that reason? Have you bothered to ask them?

Well I'm not trying to appear as a know-it-all however I do know a lot more than your average bimbo these days. :wink: Anyway their house is in foreclosure so they have to move.

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After you've answered all these questions, then make up your mind whether you want to stay or to accept their gracious invitation to move with them. Maybe, just maybe, this move will be all for the best - for all of you.

Hmm well let me put it this way, it would take a miracle for me to get along with their political views. As they were calling me a Communist I told them that my hero General Franco fought ruthlessly against the Red Republicans in Spain while their hero, Mr. Bush, was converted to a liberal and Trotskyist ideology called neoconservatism.

Thorn · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2013, 11:57:29 AM »

Trad Guy, sorry to burst your bubble but you wouldn't have to know much to be superior to the average graduate of government schooling.

Do your grandparents even know what you're talking about? Many people are not familiar with the terms, expressions & ideologies that you may know. You will never, ever get them to see your point of view by CLASHING with them. Have you given them a few pamphlets (books are sometimes too lengthy & involved to get them interested) & ASK what they think of it? Have you ever had a talk or friendly discussion with them to find out WHY they think as they do? Sometimes people have different viewpoints than you & are still good people overall.

As for hoarding (what are they hoarding?) & spending money (what are they spending it on?), why is this a problem with you? Is it because they don't give you any or what you think, is enough?
Are they really telling you that you MUST change your political views? You must be very vocal with your views for them to be so opposed to you.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2013, 12:17:45 PM »

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Trad Guy, sorry to burst your bubble but you wouldn't have to know much to be superior to the average graduate of government schooling.

Government schooling in and of itself is not a bad thing, it depends on what is taught in them. Anyway, the baby boomers were the most educated and affluent generation to date.

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Do your grandparents even know what you're talking about? Many people are not familiar with the terms, expressions & ideologies that you may know. You will never, ever get them to see your point of view by CLASHING with them. Have you given them a few pamphlets (books are sometimes too lengthy & involved to get them interested) & ASK what they think of it? Have you ever had a talk or friendly discussion with them to find out WHY they think as they do? Sometimes people have different viewpoints than you & are still good people overall.

Well I guess I know why my grandmother became a feminist, i.e. she was poor and feminists offered her a job, etc. so she was Democratic until the Reagan election. My grandfather served in Vietnam and first voted as a Republican for Barry Goldwater and I knew his family was anti-FDR so I guess that's why he believes in the nonsense of the GOP. Anyway "good" is a subjective term since someone may treat you descently in public but despise you in private. And yes I do clash with them but they also try to mock and make fun of my views. And yes I have tried to explain it but they refuse to listen.

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As for hoarding (what are they hoarding?) & spending money (what are they spending it on?), why is this a problem with you? Is it because they don't give you any or what you think, is enough?

I've never asked them for anything and have always tried to pay them back when I could but no I was speaking of them spending money in general on useless consumerism while they mock me for spending money on my bare necessities like food and clothing. And when I mean hoarding money I mean having an obsession with a love of money and how prosperous they are.

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Are they really telling you that you MUST change your political views? You must be very vocal with your views for them to be so opposed to you.

Sure I'm vocal but so are they. For them always talking about how "conservative" and on the Right they are (so they say) they bitterly oppose my traditional right-wing views.

Marlelar · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2013, 01:33:45 PM »

They are family.
Do not disrespect them.
Keep your opinions to yourself.
BE respectful
Be RESPECTFUL
BE RESPECTFUL
Eat a big slice of humble pie and get off your high horse.

Read the beatitudes and live them.

Marsha

Tiffany · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2013, 01:41:47 PM »

So either you move with them or they won't communicate with you? They are wrong to use your relationship as a bargaining chip. I'm sorry TG, that is no way to treat your grandchild.

Matto · « **Reply #12 on:** December 07, 2013, 02:00:17 PM »

Do you have problems getting along with your grandparents. My parents are Obama supporters and hopelessly liberal to the point where I think their political views are sinful. We get along because we don't talk about politics. I pray for them but I don't argue with them because I don't think it would do any good. So my parents watch MSNBC and I go to Cathinfo.

Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2013, 02:46:59 PM »

Beautifully said, Marsha.

Matto, yes, that's how we have to get along. The old adage - 'never talk politics or religion' comes to mind.

Trad Guy - you GUESS that's why he believes the nonsense?! Have you ever sat down & LISTENED to them explain exactly WHY they think as they do? I still think you need to listen more & talk less. Have you ever asked if you could help them with something? It could be as simple as changing a light bulb that's so high you need a step stool or a ladder. Have you ever done an unexpected kindness for them without expecting anything in return? Are you as brash with them as you are on here? Forget about what they do with their money. It's here today & gone tomorrow. Who cares?

So tell us more about this business that they're forcing you to change your views or they won't communicate with you - I'm presuming after they move. btw - how far away are they moving?

soulguard · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2013, 02:59:19 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

They are family.
Do not disrespect them.
Keep your opinions to yourself.
BE respectful
Be RESPECTFUL
BE RESPECTFUL
Eat a big slice of humble pie and get off your high horse.

Read the beatitudes and live them.

Marsha

I disagree.
Trad guy 20 you need to lay down the law and tell it like it is.
Feelings be damned. Tell it straight up. Unless they believe in what is necessary for salvation and live as they should they are going to hell.
Money wont mean anything in the next life. Everytime they contradict the faith they drag themselves to hell. You must care for their souls and warn them, and if they don't convert, cut them off until they do. To hell with familial sentimentalism. They need to stop outraging the truth.
Tell it like it is DaW6.