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Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2024, 08:38:32 AM »
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  • This is great news, but I pray vigano stops affiliating with the kremlin and Dugin.
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #31 on: January 05, 2024, 08:41:49 AM »
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  • How can Vigano pretty much affirm that Bergoglio is not the Pope, and yet continue to insist that he himself is not a sede? It is because this vile new monster divides Bergoglio from the rest of the gang, but especially from Ratzinger and possibly Wojtyla. Bergoglio is portrayed as the problem. A few complaints are issued against the "deformations of the council," de rigeur speech for any pseudo-trad trying to gain traction with the unthinking hordes.

    Yet the sacred cow is never touched. One must always "save Ratzinger's appearances." The pseudo-trad world is Ratzingocentric. 

    Vigano cannot come out as a full sede, without smashing the reputation of Ratzinger. Vigano cannot anathematize the Council without anathematizing Ratzinger, its rotting radix.

    Nonsense.  This isn't about Ratzinger.  +Vigano has extensively criticized Ratzinger, and Sean Johnson cited the source material the last time this false accusation was made.

    +Vigano has said he's not a "sedevacantist" in the sense that he has not (at least yet) come to the conclusion that Roncalli - Ratzinger were also non-popes, and the term "sedevacantist" is generally construed to include that entire list (except arguably Roncalli, since I think there's some division about him among SVs).  This isn't about Ratzinger specifically but about the entire group of them.

    +Vigano has been taking one step at a time, and he thinks through each step carefully.  It took him a good long while to conclude that Jorge wasn't pope, and it'll take him an additional amount of time to consider the others.


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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #32 on: January 05, 2024, 08:50:02 AM »
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  • Nonsense.  This isn't about Ratzinger.  +Vigano has extensively criticized Ratzinger, and Sean Johnson cited the source material the last time this false accusation was made.

    I'm happy to learn that I have made a false accusation, if that is what I have indeed done. I won't ask you to provide the links because I myself am too lazy to look for them. I'll ask you a question instead.

    Vigano provided an explanation for the invalidity of Bergoglio's election. Bp. Sanborn speaks at length about there being a mens rea, a criminal intention to use the office to destroy the Church, which would preclude any and all possibility of the Lord Jesus Christ conferring upon him the Petrine authority. 

    In your recollection, has Vigano ever applied this criteria to Ratzinger's election? For it most certainly applies to him and to all the fakers since Roncalli. And if Vigano has not, then why not? Is Vigano applying different standards to different men, who are yet in identical circuмstances?

    In your recollection, has Vigano ever questioned Ratzinger's papacy? Or has he limited himself to criticizing Ratzinger's theology?

    If anyone knows the name of the thread where Sean posted, I'd be much obliged if they could provide it.


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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #33 on: January 05, 2024, 08:58:42 AM »
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  • I'm happy to learn that I have made a false accusation, if that is what I have indeed done. I won't ask you to provide the links because I myself am too lazy to look for them. I'll ask you a question instead.

    Vigano provided an explanation for the invalidity of Bergoglio's election. Bp. Sanborn speaks at length about there being a mens rea, a criminal intention to use the office to destroy the Church, which would preclude any and all possibility of the Lord Jesus Christ conferring upon him the Petrine authority. 

    In your recollection, has Vigano ever applied this criteria to Ratzinger's election? For it most certainly applies to him and to all the fakers since Roncalli. And if Vigano has not, then why not? Is Vigano applying different standards to different men, who are yet in identical circuмstances?

    In your recollection, has Vigano ever questioned Ratzinger's papacy? Or has he limited himself to criticizing Ratzinger's theology?

    If anyone knows the name of the thread where Sean posted, I'd be much obliged if they could provide it.

    No, +Vigano has not (YET) applied his thinking to the pre-Bergoglian V2 papal claimants.  I think that it's a matter of time before he does, but he's been taking his time at each step.  At some point I think he's going to have to go there.  Perhaps in his mind there's no urgency with the others because, well, they're dead, and no longer around or directly relevant.  He'd only have to think back on the others if he wants to come to terms with a theological explanation for Vatican II.

    I have said that I find the vitium consensus position to be unsatisfactory (whether it's how +Vigano or +Sanborn have articulated it) ... except that +Vigano alluded to the fact that this was likely a deliberate infiltration effort from those consciously trying to destroy the Church, and we know where that goes logically.

    I will not be fully satisfied until +Vigano starts to consider the greater problem this poses for the Church's indefectibility, and frankly, until he comes out with the Siri Theory, that this all goes back to Siri's election as the legitimate pope.  But I'm not holding my breath either, nor am I going to berate him for not doing that.  If there comes a time where he articulates principles that contradict the indefectibility of the Church, as many modern R&R types have done, you can be sure that I'll be critical of that.  I already felt he was a bit soft on Ratzinger when the latter died, probably with the mentality of "nothing but good about the dead", but, then, Ratzinger became irrelevant once he died, so what would be the point.

    I'm not in the camp of those who decide that +Vigano had to go from 0 to 60 in 1 second, from Conciliar to full-blown Roncalli-Bergoglio sedevacantist, and then be excoriated when he didn't.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #34 on: January 05, 2024, 09:01:00 AM »
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  • +Vigano has said he's not a "sedevacantist" in the sense that he has not (at least yet) come to the conclusion that Roncalli - Ratzinger were also non-popes, and the term "sedevacantist" is generally construed to include that entire list (except arguably Roncalli, since I think there's some division about him among SVs).  This isn't about Ratzinger specifically but about the entire group of them.

    It is not unreasonable to expect from a man of Vigano's caliber, that he is competent to apply one standard to all men capable of being judged by that one standard. I can understand that it takes a lot of time to sort through these questions. It took me many years. 

    In my case, the standard I devised resulted from long deliberation on the R&R versus SV controversy. Once I "came to rest" by taking possession of a worthy measuring stick, my applications of the measure to the evidence proceeded at a much more rapid pace. 

    The expanse of time in coming to the correct standard of measurement is generally a laborious front-load; whereas the application phase is normally "with the wind in the sails."

    Vigano's measuring stick is as good as any. If he delays in applying his new instrument, I'd say he could be deliberately "sticking to the oars," because he does not relish the inevitable experimental results.


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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #35 on: January 05, 2024, 09:04:05 AM »
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  • No, +Vigano has not (YET) applied his thinking to the pre-Bergoglian V2 papal claimants.  I think that it's a matter of time before he does, but he's been taking his time at each step.  At some point I think he's going to have to go there.  Perhaps in his mind there's no urgency with the others because, well, they're dead, and no longer around or directly relevant.  He'd only have to think back on the others if he wants to come to terms with a theological explanation for Vatican II.

    Thanks for answering the question directly. If he is a man of God, then urgency and zeal should be eating him alive. 

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #36 on: January 05, 2024, 09:07:59 AM »
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  • I have said that I find the vitium consensus position to be unsatisfactory (whether it's how +Vigano or +Sanborn have articulated it) ... except that +Vigano alluded to the fact that this was likely a deliberate infiltration effort from those consciously trying to destroy the Church, and we know where that goes logically.

    Absolutely. Yet I am of the mind that it is more important to come to the self-evident conclusion at this late hour, than to waste more time yammering about the theological/metaphysical mechanics. I think "mens rea" is quite workable, even if it amounts to a merely temporary tire plug. 

    Remember Atila's animus delendi? Still works for me! 

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #37 on: January 05, 2024, 09:22:40 AM »
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  • I have confirmed this news story as well. Status: TRUE.

    Archbishop Vigano being conditionally consecrated by a valid Traditional bishop is no longer open for debate, at least not on this forum. Contrary "opinions" (against reality, known fact) are not welcome or permitted.

    The central rule, and my whole moderating philosophy is summed up in the famous expression:
    In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas

    "In necessariis unitas"  <----- Conditional consecration of Vigano falls under this category now.
    "In dubiis libertas"

    For those getting too heated about Vigano himself, please remember the third part of CathInfo's charter philosophy and summary of all rules:

    "In omnibus caritas"
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #38 on: January 05, 2024, 09:25:37 AM »
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  • Absolutely. Yet I am of the mind that it is more important to come to the self-evident conclusion at this late hour, than to waste more time yammering about the theological/metaphysical mechanics. I think "mens rea" is quite workable, even if it amounts to a merely temporary tire plug.

    Remember Atila's animus delendi? Still works for me!

    Yes, as I said, I'm not too hung up about the WHY, the various explanations for WHY Bergoglio isn't the pope.  As far as I'm concerned, if someone wanted to float the theory about Paul VI being drugged, chained up in a dungeon, and replaced by a big-eared crooked-nosed double, while I might not buy it, I'm not going to spend too much time debating it.  Nor do I like to debate the "5 Opinions" that much.  I believe that we'll never resolve the HOWs or the WHYs until Church authority is restored and the Church resolve it.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #39 on: January 05, 2024, 09:27:11 AM »
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  • I have confirmed this news story as well. Status: TRUE.

    Archbishop Vigano being conditionally consecrated by a valid Traditional bishop is no longer open for debate, at least not on this forum. Contrary "opinions" (against reality, known fact) are not welcome or permitted.

    The central rule, and my whole moderating philosophy is summed up in the famous expression:
    In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas

    "In necessariis unitas"  <----- Conditional consecration of Vigano falls under this category now.
    "In dubiis libertas"

    For those getting to heated about Vigano himself, please remember the third part of CathInfo's charter philosophy and summary of all rules:

    "In omnibus caritas"

    Yes, and as far as I'm concerned, this is tantamount to it now being public, and no longer secret.

    And, yes, with regard to +Vigano himself, that's been my big beef.  i do not, as has been alleged, consider him beyond criticism ... though the term should more be beyond disagreement.  But until such as time as we have some actual evidence that he's "up to" something, i.e. the conspiracy theories, charity requires that we put the best possible construction on all his actions and assume sincere motivations.  Some of this stuff reminds me of the types who kept accusing Bishop Williamson of being a Rosicrucian due to his coat of arms.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #40 on: January 05, 2024, 09:34:47 AM »
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  • I have confirmed this news story as well. Status: TRUE.

    Archbishop Vigano being conditionally consecrated by a valid Traditional bishop is no longer open for debate, at least not on this forum. Contrary "opinions" (against reality, known fact) are not welcome or permitted.

    The central rule, and my whole moderating philosophy is summed up in the famous expression:
    In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas

    "In necessariis unitas"  <----- Conditional consecration of Vigano falls under this category now.
    "In dubiis libertas"

    For those getting too heated about Vigano himself, please remember the third part of CathInfo's charter philosophy and summary of all rules:

    "In omnibus caritas"
    I think most of us weren't questioning the consecration itself.  Rather, why there hasn't been an official announcement.  I also think most of us are questioning other issues/concerns about Vigano.  Is that not allowed either?  In other words, does Vigano get protected status unlike other clergy members?
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #41 on: January 05, 2024, 09:45:42 AM »
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  • I think most of us weren't questioning the consecration itself.  Rather, why there hasn't been an official announcement.  I also think most of us are questioning other issues/concerns about Vigano.  Is that not allowed either?  In other words, does Vigano get protective status unlike other clergy members?

    That's a fair question.

    I already made the distinction you brought up: being upset at lack of official press release, any "games" being played, etc. is FINE. PERFECTLY ALLOWED ON CATHINFO.

    What is not allowed is further denial that the consecration took place. Since I personally verified it, it is now official CathInfo position that +Vigano was conditionally consecrated, and has moved into the off-limits, not-open-for-debate "In necessariis unitas" category. Said fact is now in "Truth Heaven", relaxing and enjoying drinks with various Catholic dogmas.

    Furthermore, members can discuss any cleric they wish, but please keep it charitable. These men haven't been judged by God or condemned to hell, and remember THEY COULD BE RIGHT, HOLY, AND IN A FEW YEARS BE PRAISING GOD FOREVER IN HEAVEN. Be careful who you hate. You don't want to hate God's friend(s) by mistake. Don't say anything you would have to apologize for if you turned out to be wrong. And don't think it's just because you feel so "right" that you couldn't be wrong. We've all been there. That isn't certainty you're feeling, it's emotion. Emotions are a funny thing, they motivate one to do and say all kinds of things, many of them unreasonable in the end. They also cloud one's thinking.

    There aren't many topics I can do this with. cօռspιʀαcιҽs are always hazy and unknown. We don't have any contacts in the WEF or you-know-who's to confirm their plans. Likewise anything touching on the Crisis is 100% hazy, enshrouded in deep fog, rendering everything Crisis related automatically in the category, "In dubiis libertas". That's why there's so much libertas on CathInfo -- we mostly discuss the Crisis.
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #42 on: January 05, 2024, 09:57:40 AM »
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  • Yes, and as far as I'm concerned, this is tantamount to it now being public, and no longer secret.

    And, yes, with regard to +Vigano himself, that's been my big beef.  i do not, as has been alleged, consider him beyond criticism ... though the term should more be beyond disagreement.  But until such as time as we have some actual evidence that he's "up to" something, i.e. the conspiracy theories, charity requires that we put the best possible construction on all his actions and assume sincere motivations.  Some of this stuff reminds me of the types who kept accusing Bishop Williamson of being a Rosicrucian due to his coat of arms.

    It's classic hatred, pure and simple. You know how to identify hatred? It's when a man can do nothing right or good in your eyes. Example: the Pharisees hated Our Lord. Even when Our Lord performed good works, they attributed them to evil motives, the power of satan, etc. This hatred is alive and well today, even in the hearts of some Traditional Catholics.

    It's also annoying that I don't have a slur to use against such ridiculous tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories. Because you see, I am somewhat against using those CIA terms, which are used against so many truths in the world today, from 9/11, the JQ, recent wars, the h0Ɩ0h0αx, the evils of vaccines, the fakeness of NASA and especially the Apollo "moon landings" and the true shape of the earth. So I can't bring myself to use those evil bludgeons, even when they are SO appropriate.

    Just because all those "cօռspιʀαcιҽs" are absolutely true, doesn't mean that you can't come up with actual crackpot, tinfoil hat, CRAZY, kookie, "conspiracy theories" -- and I mean "conspiracy theories" the way the secular world uses that term (to refer to ridiculous, baseless, proof-less nonsense contrary to reason and evidence).

    All the jokes they tell about "conspiracy theorists" actually apply to some ideas I've seen put out there --
    You know all the jokes, the tropes about "conspiracy theorists" -- the idea that they're crazy, have no proof, have silly reasoning, say stuff like "That's what they want you to think" and using every other logical fallacy in the book
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #43 on: January 05, 2024, 11:20:15 AM »
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  • Just because all those "cօռspιʀαcιҽs" are absolutely true, doesn't mean that you can't come up with actual crackpot, tinfoil hat, CRAZY, kookie, "conspiracy theories" -- and I mean "conspiracy theories" the way the secular world uses that term (to refer to ridiculous, baseless, proof-less nonsense contrary to reason and evidence).

    Right, and the powers that be revel in the kooky conspiracy theories, because they can then say "see, we told you these conspiracy theories were nuts."

    I don't dismiss any conspiracy theory out of hand without at least examining its claims, but I do demand some POSITIVE evidence.  It's akin to the difference between positive and negative doubt.  At the very least I need to see a credible cui bono, who benefits, or what is the benefit?  Until I see some evidence about what harm +Vigano might be doing to Traditional Catholicism, it's a non-starter for me.  I could entertain the notion that Bishop Athanasius Schneider or Bishop Huonder might be up to no good, since you could see the harm they might do to Traditional Catholicism, the former promoting the notion that there's nothing radically wrong with V2 (just needs a couple minor corrections) and that Bergoglio cannot be deposed no matter what, the latter (with the blessing of Bergoglio, who otherwise despises Traditional Catholicism) "consecrating" oils and churches, possibly acclimating the faithful to perhaps also "ordain" priests in the not too distant future.

    There's solid evidence of the Plandemic conspiracy (too much to go into here), but then you had people like this Dr. Carrie Madej making absurd claims such as how she could sense that the "creatures" she saw under the microscope were somehow sentient and were "looking at [her]".  Madej became the poster child for the MSM deriding the overall Plandemic conspiracy theories (which were right) and making them seem absurd by association.

    Here on CathInfo we've literally seen some accuse +Vigano of being a Satanic/Luciferian Masonic sun-worshipper (those terms were actually all strung together by one poster).  "Look, Bishop Williamson has a rose and cross in his coat of arms, and he knew Malcolm Muggeridge, whose sons were Masons."  Yeah, lots of people knew Muggeridge (he was a pretty famous guy), and St. Therese is commonly depicted with a crucifix within a bundle or roses  "Look, +Vigano had friends who were Opus Dei."  OK, so did pretty much every relatively-high-ranking prelate in the Conciliar Church, as OD had its tentacles everywhere; he'd have to have hidden in a cave to avoid them.

    +Vigano was accused of being a Mason because the English translation of his letters often concluded with the expression "So may it be.", which was construed as similar enough to "So mote it be." that this was proof for his being a Mason.  But a CI member posted pictures of a pre Vatican II Tridentine Italian Missal that translated "Amen" as "So may it be" and indicated that his Traditional Italian priest concluded his sermons with that expression.

    +Vigano was accused of being some Satanic/Luciferian sun-worshipper because he made a passing reference to Our Lord as Sol Invictus around Chrismtas time.  CI members discovered that not only did some Church Fathers refer to Our Lord with that imagery (St. Clement of Alexandria for one) and that Christian art beneath St. Peter's depicted Him as such, but the Church's Liturgy was replete with such imagery and language.

    +Vigano said some positive things about Trump, and so he became a promoter of the Noahide Laws and also a promoter of the jab (because of Trump's "Operation Warp Speed"), despite the fact that he was one of the most vocal and ardent critics of the jab and of the Plandemic in general, while Trad priests who were soft on the jab are not called out with every other post for their position.  Many Traditional Catholics were fooled by Trump, at least enough to vote for him (I include myself here in 2016, though not 2020).  But +Vigano's language was very carefully worded, and he used the expression that he "dared hope" that Trump was on the side of good (was well intentioned), yet not asserting this as some kind of certainty.  +Vigano, a trained diplomat, also knew Trump's personality very well, knowing that he could be easily manipulated by flattery, so he called out and praised the good things Trump has done (and he has done some).  But posters expected him to excoriate Trump publicly every chance he got.  In fact, +Vigano was criticized for not attacking Trump in a latter that has absolutely nothing to do with the US or politics, but was about an unrelated theological matter.  So he's writing about the Conciliar Church and is required by these detractors to add a completely off-topic paragraph in every letter attacking Trump?  +Vigano knew that this served no purpose and has the effect, with Trump's yuge but very fragile ego, of having him double down against what he was criticized for.  So the trained diplomat, who knew how to read people, understood how to affect Trump for the better.  And it worked, as Trump retweeted his letter to him, and the name of +Vigano became widely known even among non-Catholics.

    One could attempt to impute sinister motivations to +Vigano, but charity requires that we put the best possible construction on these, since it's ultimately in the internal forum that we cannot read.  I had the same reaction against those who made the same claims about Shia LaBeouf, that his conversion was "fake" ... without any evidence.  Slander/calumny is never permitted.  Detraction is permitted only when the public good requires it.  Until either Shia or +Vigano DO something that's contrary to the faith or harmful to Traditional Catholicism or to others, we must presume that they're speaking and acting in good faith ... even if we disagree with them.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #44 on: January 05, 2024, 11:28:31 AM »
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  • If people are so concerned about not judging the "internal forum", they shouldn't be judging the internal forum of those who have doubts about Vigano.  For me, it's suspicion. It's lack of trust. It's not hate, and I'm sick and tired of the hypocrites calling me a hater/saying that it comes from pure "classic" hate.  And btw, I HAVE written positive things about him in the past.
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