Author Topic: Is Youth Defence Pro-Life? (Read 4709 times)

John Grace · « **on:** November 28, 2013, 02:55:40 PM »

http://www.ireland.sspx.net/monthly%20bulletin/2013/SJB%20Nov%202013.pdf

Rather bizarre to see the New SSPX attacking YD when many SSPX youth steward at events. YD fit the new image of the new SSPX.

John Grace · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2013, 03:02:21 PM »

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YD Deception
In September 2013 YD rallied in favour of abortion!

“My baby was delivered early to save me. That’s not an abortion”
Is this a true statement:
Yes
, it is true if the baby is sufficiently developed
to survive, i.e., if he
is ‘viable’. He may be ‘delivered early’, cf. USCCB
#49 on page 22. He lives
and ‘gives joy to his mother’s heart.’ (John 16,22).
No
, it is false if the baby is NOT viable. Then it is
an abortion. The
baby perishes. This is never permitted.
YD deliberately confused and equated these two dras
tically different events
at their September anti–Irish Times protest. The di
fference is between life
and death, between a lawful procedure, and an abort
ion and mortal sin.
Death to the baby; death to the souls of doctor and
mother.

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2013, 03:06:40 PM »

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Start a new Catholic pro-life organisation under th
e standard of the Cross “in this sign
you will conquer”; under the patroness of Our Lady
of Guadalupe and St. Patrick;
with prayers, especially the rosary AND fasts as pr
imary weapons. “Some devils are
only cast out by prayer and fasting.”

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Members of a Pro-Life organisation must fight again
st all enemies of life and evils
attacking life. They cannot pick and choose

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2013, 10:43:12 AM »

http://www.ireland.sspx.net/monthly%20bulletin/2013/SJB%20Nov%202013.pdf

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YD never
understood the nature of the battle. YD never wante
d to be a Catholic apostolate, but
the rosary was said at rallies; prayers at conferen
ces.

Fr. Edward F. MacDonald SSPX makes a good point but YD did feature on EWTN and organised at World Youth Day in Madrid.

Fr MacDonald

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Twenty years ago it looked like abortion was coming
to Ireland. Youth Defence was
formed to “keep Ireland abortion free.” Over the ye
ars 1,000s of good people were
mobilised for the fight; good was done; battles wer
e won. YD may rightly glory in
many victories.
The evil is now here; the war lost. Ireland is no l
onger “abortion free.” The Catholic
Bishops bear prime responsibility for this evil bec
ause of their refusal to provide
leadership; refusal to defend the rights of Christ
the King; neglect to properly educate
their flocks on the evil of abortion; neglect to ad
monish politicians on their duty; in
general their failure to be ‘the salt of the earth’
makes them guilty.

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2013, 10:59:14 AM »

Pope Francis is 'pro-life'. Fr Mac Donald could have opened himself to litigation though on other SSPX websites, they praise World Youth Day.

https://www.facebook.com/YouthDefence

Tiffany · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2013, 03:12:54 PM »

They are not wrong to point out murder of the unborn.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2013, 04:14:08 PM »

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They are not wrong to point out murder of the unborn.

Who are the "they" you refer to? Fr Mac Donald states that Youth Defence are now actually promoting abortion and are finished as a pro-life entity. Fr Mac Donald calls the Chairman of Youth Defence a liberal.

What YD are promoting, I and others couldn't adhere to. Church teaching is clear on abortion.

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2013, 02:14:20 AM »

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Quote from: Tiffany
They are not wrong to point out murder of the unborn.

Who are the "they" you refer to? Fr Mac Donald states that Youth Defence are now actually promoting abortion and are finished as a pro-life entity. Fr Mac Donald calls the Chairman of Youth Defence a liberal.

What YD are promoting, I and others couldn't adhere to. Church teaching is clear on abortion.

Fr Mac also said that catholic banners were banned by Yd and their hired mercenaries on Jan 19th protest.....totally untrue, PLC took that decision and there was outright rage about this, YD never hooked up with PLC after that and there were no people hired to steward the protest, these were volunteers.

Precious Life organised the Rosary Crusade 23rd March outside the Dail, YD called their members to attend. 10 days later we get our first break, the Medical council voted against the support of the abortion bill....Our Ladys power.
The rally July 6th was opened with a NO mass and rosary procession to the starting point of the rally and catholic banners were everywhere...this rally was exclusively run by YD.

There is confusion on this site on treating a dying woman pre viability without therapeutic abortion (intentional killing of the unborn).

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2013, 01:32:10 PM »

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There is confusion on this site on treating a dying woman pre viability without therapeutic abortion (intentional killing of the unborn).

It is Youth Defence who are causing confusion.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2013, 01:34:38 PM »

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Fr Mac also said that catholic banners were banned by Yd and their hired mercenaries on Jan 19th protest.....totally untrue, PLC took that decision and there was outright rage about this, YD never hooked up with PLC after that and there were no people hired to steward the protest, these were volunteers.

Precious Life organised the Rosary Crusade 23rd March outside the Dail, YD called their members to attend. 10 days later we get our first break, the Medical council voted against the support of the abortion bill....Our Ladys power.
The rally July 6th was opened with a NO mass and rosary procession to the starting point of the rally and catholic banners were everywhere...this rally was exclusively run by YD.

I don't dispute any of this. What you have stated is correct.

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2013, 01:54:14 PM »

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There is confusion on this site on treating a dying woman pre viability without therapeutic abortion (intentional killing of the unborn).

It is Youth Defence who are causing confusion.

Well that maybe so, I for one am confused.

stbrighidswell · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2013, 01:59:45 PM »

Here is the other thread on this topic where I posted...as one poster says in relation to sspx - 'it defies all common sense'

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Abortion-includes-DCs-and-deliberate-pre-viability-inductions

The baby is going to die, the doctor and the mother do not want the baby to die, the doctor terminates the pregnancy to save the mother, his intention is to save both but cannot save baby if the pregnancy continues, cannot save the baby if he terminates pregnancy but can save the mother...
It just not make sense to allow both to die. This is not a therapeutic abortion, as one Obstetrician says, we remove the baby and gently handle it and give it the due respect. How can this be compared to a therapeutic abortion where the violence and torture is despicable and the intention of the doctor is a dead baby.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2013, 02:15:18 PM »

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Well that maybe so, I for one am confused.

I am told some SSPX laity want to bring in a doctor to give a talk in Athlone. Will the doc adhere to Traditional teaching or the NewChurch Vatican II garbage.

Whilst incorrect in some detail the SSPX priest was correct to admonish YD. Surely Trad youth can set up a Catholic group? A friend of mine wanted to set up the Fr Denis Fahey Pro-Life Society. He experienced bad health so his project hasn't materialised. He meant well though.

John Grace · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2013, 02:24:25 PM »

Fr Mac Donald states Fr Maurice Colgan should have been clearer and states Eoghan De Faoite is a liberal. De Faoite created the 'confusion' because he doesn't seem to like Trad teaching.

Tiffany · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2013, 03:09:25 AM »

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This is not a therapeutic abortion, as one Obstetrician says, we remove the baby and gently handle it and give it the due respect. How can this be compared to a therapeutic abortion where the violence and torture is despicable and the intention of the doctor is a dead baby.

Respectfully handling the body does not mean the child was not murdered.