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Offline LaramieHirsch

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The parish I attend is bursting at the seams with children. Lots of families, filled with half a dozen or more kids. Will these kids just grow up to hate their parents and their parents' religion?  Is there a difference between us and this Evangelical "Quiverfull Movement"?

I thought Catholics were always known for having big families. And I thought the homeschooling phenomenon was mostly a Catholic thing.  

What It Was Like To Grow Up Quiverfull

Is there a difference between these two groups?  I've been seeing a lot of rebellious kids coming out of these families who hate and resent their upbringing.
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The parish I attend is bursting at the seams with children. Lots of families, filled with half a dozen or more kids. Will these kids just grow up to hate their parents and their parents' religion?  Is there a difference between us and this Evangelical "Quiverfull Movement"?

I thought Catholics were always known for having big families. And I thought the homeschooling phenomenon was mostly a Catholic thing. 

What It Was Like To Grow Up Quiverfull

Is there a difference between these two groups?  I've been seeing a lot of rebellious kids coming out of these families who hate and resent their upbringing.
It depends on consistency. The cult in the article does not have the truth so they have to use lies to get people to stay, but basically if you raise your children to be proper adults without restricting them from certain knowledge they shouldn't grow to be ignorant of the world, I would expect trad children to understand the world better than normies as the latter believe all kinds of lies and don't understand the Jєωιѕн problem.


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Rugrats or The Little Mermaid or Lion King. My parents said the kids in those movies had bad attitudes and dishonored God by how they treated their parents, and so we weren't to watch those things in fear we would mimic that behavior.
While the idea seems right being too extreme can cause dissonance , also why was an extremely religious child having contact with normal children? This is inconsistent.



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good behavior is not usually genuine but is often out of fear of serious consequences from the parents.

Doing good should be done out of love for God firstly and neighbour secondly. Hence you can see their false children caused another inconsistency.

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 love my siblings and wouldn't trade them for the world. Because of being the oldest of nine kids, I'm a capable person in a crisis and I'm patient to a fault. I've practically raised five kids, so I'm awesome at cooking, basic first aid, bedtime stories, organizing, and making killer birthday cakes. Anything related to idealized 1950s housewife life, 
It's not all bad but I don't 1950s is ideal, feminism was already a thing and most did not have a strong Catholic faith.

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It was gradual. I tried so hard to hold onto my parents' beliefs and worldview because it was all I had ever known, and leaving that world would mean an entirely new culture and way of approaching people, life, and myself.

The first big break came when I wanted to date a nice, respectable young man I'd met at my religious college and my dad told me I didn't have the spiritual discernment to make that decision for myself. This caused cognitive dissonance issues, because just a few weeks before, I'd changed churches and my dad had told me I was "spiritually" an adult and could make that decision for myself and he'd trust my judgment.

In our world, choosing a church was almost more important than choosing a mate, so this didn't make any sense to me.

Later, I got utterly fed up with the churches I'd grown up in because I kept finding out that they'd protected child abusers, rapists, and men who'd beaten their wives, all in the name of redemption stories, "biblical" male headship, and complementarian theology.
Not sure what it means to change Churches this is clearly an inconsistency with truth. But you can see that since Choosing a spouse was less important than choosing a Chirch which she had already been allowed to do caused a crack in her beliefs.

While the last paragraph is nice in theory it really depends on how bad things were and if the victims forgave them and if judgement by law was necessary, this is beyond my scope here. But it seems the women later become a feminist from how the last sentence is presented or that could be due to author of the article attacking men due to her Jєωιѕн ideology (feminism).

She doubles down immediately being repeating that same line (protecting abuses rapists beaters) in large text. Really makes you 🤔 


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My siblings who are closer to my age are pretty well ideologically aligned with me these days, and we're really tight. I'm not religious and I'm definitely spiritual but agnostic. I practice mediation and yoga and read tarot, but hold all of that super loosely. I'll probably never be a true believer in any ideology ever again.

Going from a false religion to the world has destroyed this women and many others.

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when my mom was still screening books for me — I missed out on most of Roald Dahl and Judy Blume, and I didn't get to read Harriet the Spy because she was disrespectful or some such thing. Once I started to explore feminism, I discovered a language to describe my experiences in Christian patriarchy and books like bell hooks's All About Love: New Visions, and Margaret Atwood's Handmaid's Tale profoundly affected me (I even have a Handmaid's Tale-inspired tattoo).
I'm not familiar with any of the books but perhaps the mother did a good job here? Also it also comes together, she went from a false religion to feminism (one extreme to the opposite) from pro men to anti-men. So now she can't give a proper review on her past because her thinking is tainted with Jєωιѕн trickery.

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In reality, the parents are just as confused as the kids, and often are struggling with deep-set psychological issues and need as much therapy and compassion as the kids do to recover from the dehumanizing reality of trying to have a perfect Quiverfull family to please a demanding and holy God. 
See how she portrays God in a negative light. Also nonsense about therapy and psychology blah blah blah. Yes the parents are brainwashed, with a false religion, but not to the extent as this women believes, since she has now been tricked by feminism.

Also the author is a feminist not sure if she is Jєωιѕн.


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It depends on consistency. The cult in the article does not have the truth so they have to use lies to get people to stay, but basically if you raise your children to be proper adults without restricting them from certain knowledge they shouldn't grow to be ignorant of the world, I would expect trad children to understand the world better than normies as the latter believe all kinds of lies and don't understand the Jєωιѕн problem.

While the idea seems right being too extreme can cause dissonance , also why was an extremely religious child having contact with normal children? This is inconsistent.



Doing good should be done out of love for God firstly and neighbour secondly. Hence you can see their false children caused another inconsistency.
It's not all bad but I don't 1950s is ideal, feminism was already a thing and most did not have a strong Catholic faith.
Not sure what it means to change Churches this is clearly an inconsistency with truth. But you can see that since Choosing a spouse was less important than choosing a Chirch which she had already been allowed to do caused a crack in her beliefs.

While the last paragraph is nice in theory it really depends on how bad things were and if the victims forgave them and if judgement by law was necessary, this is beyond my scope here. But it seems the women later become a feminist from how the last sentence is presented or that could be due to author of the article attacking men due to her Jєωιѕн ideology (feminism).

She doubles down immediately being repeating that same line (protecting abuses rapists beaters) in large text. Really makes you 🤔


Going from a false religion to the world has destroyed this women and many others.
I'm not familiar with any of the books but perhaps the mother did a good job here? Also it also comes together, she went from a false religion to feminism (one extreme to the opposite) from pro men to anti-men. So now she can't give a proper review on her past because her thinking is tainted with Jєωιѕн trickery.
See how she portrays God in a negative light. Also nonsense about therapy and psychology blah blah blah. Yes the parents are brainwashed, with a false religion, but not to the extent as this women believes, since she has now been tricked by feminism.

Also the author is a feminist not sure if she is Jєωιѕн.
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Neither the parents of the Trad families or the parents of the Quiverfull Movement families have duly authorized priests to which they themselves are obedient.  When our pastors are not authorized, how can we expect our children to obey us? 

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There is no fundamental reason Trads have to fear that their kids will rebel, go astray, etc.

It comes from bad parenting, or lack of parenting. You get out what you put in, like with everything in this world.
You send your kids off to Public School, let them be super independent (80's style) in a world which is FAR FROM GOD, then yeah -- some of them aren't going to make it.

Yes, you had lots of free time to yourself, what with your kids being gone 8 hours every day and all.
But on the downside, you didn't get to form them with your beliefs, values, religion, culture, or priorities.

The best way to show love for your kids, and make them firmly trust and be attached to you, is to spend time with them and do things together with them. How can most parents do this, when everyone is at work/school most of the day, and only have a few hours every evening to shower/watch TV/get ready for bed/do homework, etc.?

And on the weekend, everyone has their own life, their own activities, as well. It's no wonder there's no family togetherness.
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The article you linked to is by a feminist liberal reporter interviewing the child of someone in this movement who turned against everything she was brought up to believe, and rejected the traditional principles of her upbringing in order to embrace liberalism and feminism instead.

The whole article is basically a hit piece. You aren't going to get an accurate idea of what people believe by reading the description of someone who left that position and detests it.

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I've been seeing a lot of rebellious kids coming out of these families who hate and resent their upbringing.
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People have free will, and do not always cooperate with grace. Sometimes they turn against their parents, the Church, and the natural law in order to embrace the modern world. This is a reflection on them, not on the parents who raised them well.

Even then, the more children parents have, the better they all turn out. I heard it put that way once, and it really stuck with me. It is definitely something I have seen with my own eyes.

Yes, there are certainly some families who have 6, 8, 10 children or more, who raise them very badly and the children mostly turn out rotten, but I suspect those are a rare minority. Traditional Catholics who have that many children normally raise them well and therefore their children usually turn out well.