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Is the Traditional Latin Mass in the U.S. an elitist thing?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2014, 12:19:53 PM »
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    In turn, I generally stay away from traditionalists at Mass, and even avoid saying, "Hello." I've encountered open hostility and true ugliness -- on Sunday mornings, no less -- that I don't want to have anymore encounters. I would rather focus on Mass, prayer, and then just leave. I just don't have time for anything that is of no spiritual benefit, and I've found that Americans' ideas about race are meaningless to my interior conversion.


    Pot meet kettle.  Kettle meet pot.  



    Of course you're right. I should go to the social hall and bump elbows with people who see MLK day as an opportunity to see how many times they can through the word "nigger" around.  I find it incredibly conducive to contemplation.

    My prayer life and Mass attendance have improved dramatically since I just ignore people with their race and political obsessions. I'll continue doing just the same...


    You not only make up lies about other people but you actually believe them.

    Amazing.

     :facepalm: Your church celebrates MLK day?   :facepalm:



    Please feel free to call me a liar, also.   :jester:

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    « Reply #16 on: November 25, 2014, 12:19:58 PM »
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    Let's first start learning from the patron saint of parish priests.

    St. John Vianney said we should try to be relatively silent in the hours before we go to Mass, and after Mass go home in silence.

    If we all try to follow this, all the abuses and complaints should be rare.

    I must add, however, that today's Mass centers most often have some people who travel very far to get there. A chapel should have a select group, chosen by the priest, who form an apostolate to give some friendly attention to such people, because they are often isolated from Catholics at home, and since they travel far, need a break before heading out on the road again after Mass.


    The saints advice is very wise. I focus exclusively on prayer at Mass. More and more I'm realizing that anything that is not of spiritual benefit is of actual detriment. I don't want to be involved in any distractions or nonsense...

    In general, the popular movement for the TLM is way too impassioned about politics and less so about interior conversion.
    "But 'tis strange:
    And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
    The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
    Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
    In deepest consequence.." Banquo, from Shakespeare's Macbeth


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    « Reply #17 on: November 25, 2014, 02:33:47 PM »
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    Let's first start learning from the patron saint of parish priests.

    St. John Vianney said we should try to be relatively silent in the hours before we go to Mass, and after Mass go home in silence.

    If we all try to follow this, all the abuses and complaints should be rare.

    I must add, however, that today's Mass centers most often have some people who travel very far to get there. A chapel should have a select group, chosen by the priest, who form an apostolate to give some friendly attention to such people, because they are often isolated from Catholics at home, and since they travel far, need a break before heading out on the road again after Mass.


    The saints advice is very wise. I focus exclusively on prayer at Mass. More and more I'm realizing that anything that is not of spiritual benefit is of actual detriment. I don't want to be involved in any distractions or nonsense...

    In general, the popular movement for the TLM is way too impassioned about politics and less so about interior conversion.


    You're showing your hand here.  

    If you focus strictly on your own interior prayer life, why do you think you are so aware of the interior condition of your fellow parishioners?

    As for my other question, let me just ask if you go to an Indult (i.e, diocesan or FSSP/ICCRS) or Trad (SSPX/SSPV/CMRI) - this is a very general question and isn't really personal.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 25, 2014, 02:35:03 PM »
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    In turn, I generally stay away from traditionalists at Mass, and even avoid saying, "Hello." I've encountered open hostility and true ugliness -- on Sunday mornings, no less -- that I don't want to have anymore encounters. I would rather focus on Mass, prayer, and then just leave. I just don't have time for anything that is of no spiritual benefit, and I've found that Americans' ideas about race are meaningless to my interior conversion.


    Pot meet kettle.  Kettle meet pot.  



    Of course you're right. I should go to the social hall and bump elbows with people who see MLK day as an opportunity to see how many times they can through the word "nigger" around.  I find it incredibly conducive to contemplation.

    My prayer life and Mass attendance have improved dramatically since I just ignore people with their race and political obsessions. I'll continue doing just the same...


    You not only make up lies about other people but you actually believe them.

    Amazing.

     :facepalm: Your church celebrates MLK day?   :facepalm:



    Please feel free to call me a liar, also.   :jester:


    If you tell a lie, Elizabeth, I will be forced to call you a liar...  Aw, I probably won't!   :stare:  

    As for your experiences with the SSPV, I just think your over-emotional and maybe suffering from some personal issues that have left you distraught.  

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    « Reply #19 on: November 25, 2014, 02:55:24 PM »
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    If you tell a lie, Elizabeth, I will be forced to call you a liar...  Aw, I probably won't!   :stare:  

    As for your experiences with the SSPV, I just think your over-emotional and maybe suffering from some personal issues that have left you distraught.  


     Typical SSPV cult follower with a guilty conscience.  Lay off Immaculata.  It is none of your business where she assists at Mass.  
     :smoke-pot:



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    « Reply #20 on: November 25, 2014, 03:03:25 PM »
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    If you tell a lie, Elizabeth, I will be forced to call you a liar...  Aw, I probably won't!   :stare:  

    As for your experiences with the SSPV, I just think your over-emotional and maybe suffering from some personal issues that have left you distraught.  


     Typical SSPV cult follower with a guilty conscience.  Lay off Immaculata.  It is none of your business where she assists at Mass.  
     :smoke-pot:



    I assist at the SSPX but admire the SSPV and am a fan of the Daughters of Mary.   :smile:



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    « Reply #21 on: November 25, 2014, 04:49:27 PM »
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    Let's first start learning from the patron saint of parish priests.

    St. John Vianney said we should try to be relatively silent in the hours before we go to Mass, and after Mass go home in silence.

    If we all try to follow this, all the abuses and complaints should be rare.

    I must add, however, that today's Mass centers most often have some people who travel very far to get there. A chapel should have a select group, chosen by the priest, who form an apostolate to give some friendly attention to such people, because they are often isolated from Catholics at home, and since they travel far, need a break before heading out on the road again after Mass.


    The saints advice is very wise. I focus exclusively on prayer at Mass. More and more I'm realizing that anything that is not of spiritual benefit is of actual detriment. I don't want to be involved in any distractions or nonsense...

    In general, the popular movement for the TLM is way too impassioned about politics and less so about interior conversion.


    You're showing your hand here.  

    If you focus strictly on your own interior prayer life, why do you think you are so aware of the interior condition of your fellow parishioners?

    As for my other question, let me just ask if you go to an Indult (i.e, diocesan or FSSP/ICCRS) or Trad (SSPX/SSPV/CMRI) - this is a very general question and isn't really personal.


    Because I'm a minority and a a woman, people might be able to deduce who I am.  It's not a good idea for woman share info on the internet, IMHO.

    I won't be responding to this thread any longer; I have other things I should be more concerned about.
    "But 'tis strange:
    And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
    The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
    Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
    In deepest consequence.." Banquo, from Shakespeare's Macbeth

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    « Reply #22 on: November 25, 2014, 05:02:54 PM »
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    So to answer your question, yes, "traditionalists" are very alienating to non-Whites and others at Mass sites in the US. What is incredibly interesting is that I have not had the same experience in Europe, where I've always been able to find the Mass. The proves that it's part of Americans' very provincial obsession with race...

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    Not everywhere, thank God.  There are good Traditional Catholics who aren't hung up on feeling superior to others where we live.
     


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    « Reply #23 on: November 25, 2014, 05:14:11 PM »
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    Let's first start learning from the patron saint of parish priests.

    St. John Vianney said we should try to be relatively silent in the hours before we go to Mass, and after Mass go home in silence.

    If we all try to follow this, all the abuses and complaints should be rare.

    I must add, however, that today's Mass centers most often have some people who travel very far to get there. A chapel should have a select group, chosen by the priest, who form an apostolate to give some friendly attention to such people, because they are often isolated from Catholics at home, and since they travel far, need a break before heading out on the road again after Mass.


    The saints advice is very wise. I focus exclusively on prayer at Mass. More and more I'm realizing that anything that is not of spiritual benefit is of actual detriment. I don't want to be involved in any distractions or nonsense...

    In general, the popular movement for the TLM is way too impassioned about politics and less so about interior conversion.


    You're showing your hand here.  

    If you focus strictly on your own interior prayer life, why do you think you are so aware of the interior condition of your fellow parishioners?

    As for my other question, let me just ask if you go to an Indult (i.e, diocesan or FSSP/ICCRS) or Trad (SSPX/SSPV/CMRI) - this is a very general question and isn't really personal.


    Because I'm a minority and a a woman, people might be able to deduce who I am.  It's not a good idea for woman share info on the internet, IMHO.

    I won't be responding to this thread any longer; I have other things I should be more concerned about.


    The other things you should do is to start being more charitable to other Catholics of good will - I am referring to your fellow parishioners.  





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    « Reply #24 on: November 25, 2014, 05:17:11 PM »
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    So to answer your question, yes, "traditionalists" are very alienating to non-Whites and others at Mass sites in the US. What is incredibly interesting is that I have not had the same experience in Europe, where I've always been able to find the Mass. The proves that it's part of Americans' very provincial obsession with race...

    .


    Not everywhere, thank God.  There are good Traditional Catholics who aren't hung up on feeling superior to others where we live.
     


    It would be nice if Immaculata would start emulating this good behavior that you claim to see.  A winning idea!