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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: graceseeker on February 20, 2018, 05:20:41 PM

Title: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on February 20, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
There was an insert in the Church bulletin from the pope

and it was uplifting and no heresy so I wonder if he is taking to heart what people are talking about concerning that one docuмent and etc.. I hope so

I read somewhere something about no pope can be a heretic but you know... well, supposedly when the pope is elected, all heresies he believed in up to then were no longer believed

huh?

that sounds like magic or something. Yes, Catholicism is mystical and supernatural but give me a break. Heresy is a serious thing.  and it doesn't disappear until the person believing it makes it disappear. We all have free will, don't become a robot just bc got elected pope...
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: forlorn on February 20, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
if you seriously believe a man so unaware of basic Catholic doctrines that his heresies could be considered material after decades as a Bishop and Archbishop could be elected Pope and make huge doctrinal changes, COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THEIR HERETICAL NATURE, then you're the one who believes in magic. 

"Pope" Francis is clearly a formal heretic, and ergo not a valid Pope. 
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on February 20, 2018, 05:44:35 PM
if you seriously believe a man so unaware of basic Catholic doctrines that his heresies could be considered material after decades as a Bishop and Archbishop could be elected Pope and make huge doctrinal changes, COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THEIR HERETICAL NATURE, then you're the one who believes in magic.

"Pope" Francis is clearly a formal heretic, and ergo not a valid Pope.
people do repent
I know its hard to believe
but it's true
Peter failed Jesus but he repented... true, it wasn't bc of heresy but whatever... In any case, what the pope said was good
eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: forlorn on February 20, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
people do repent
I know its hard to believe
but it's true
Peter failed Jesus but he repented... true, it wasn't bc of heresy but whatever... In any case, what the pope said was good
eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
If a Pope believes in formal heresy, he is automatically no longer the Pope. 
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Nadir on February 20, 2018, 08:12:16 PM
eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
Hey! That's brilliant. Maybe he'll become Catholic.
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: poche on February 21, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Last Tradhican on February 21, 2018, 08:05:33 AM
I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
Poche, the blind leading the blind. 
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Marlelar on February 21, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
But then again,

Pope Francis chooses pro-LGBT priest to guide Lent retreat who holds Jesus didn’t ‘establish rules

link (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-chooses-pro-lgbt-priest-to-guide-lent-retreat-who-holds-jesus)
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on February 24, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
true but he has advocated married-divorded-re-married people taking Holy Communion
no person in mortal sin c an do that.
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Ladislaus on February 24, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Well, even a heretic has SOME truth about him, no?  But it only takes one heresy to make one a heretic.

That was how JP2 and B16 fooled so many people.  They were capable of speaking in very orthodox and pious ways.  They often appeared devout when offering Mass.  And yet ...
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: 2Vermont on February 25, 2018, 05:44:37 AM
I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
I can't believe that anyone is still using this excuse.
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Last Tradhican on February 25, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
I can't believe that anyone is still using this excuse.
The blind will always exist. 
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Last Tradhican on February 25, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
I can't believe the title of this. If one thing's clear, it's that heretics aren't in the Church. I just don't understand those who think the Catholic Church could have a heretic as its head and center of unity. This whole false belief, and ridiculous thread title, is an oxymoron.
Like I said at the beginning, the blind leading the blind, gracekeeper asking a question and Poche providing the "answer".
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: 2Vermont on February 25, 2018, 10:19:33 AM
The blind will always exist.
There's blind and then there's willfully blind.  
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on February 26, 2018, 10:55:06 AM
I can't believe the title of this. If one thing's clear, it's that heretics aren't in the Church. I just don't understand those who think the Catholic Church could have a heretic as its head and center of unity. This whole false belief, and ridiculous thread title, is an oxymoron.
well, not all of us know absolutely everything like you do
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: Last Tradhican on February 26, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
well, not all of us know absolutely everything like you do
and that is why we can excuse you, however, Poche has no excuse, he knows exactly what he is doing.

P.S. - Is the "pope" ditching his heresy? It matters little if he "ditches" one, he and all the Vatican II church popes have 1000's of heresies."
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on March 08, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
Sick burn.

The fact that you know what heresy is and what a pope is, tells me that you should, at the very least, know that the man who is supposed to be our head and center of unity, cannot openly teach heresy to all Catholics. It goes against the very nature of the position, the two are mutually exclusive. Therefore, he can't be Pope.
I don't disagree
so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
Post by: graceseeker on March 08, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
and that is why we can excuse you, however, Poche has no excuse, he knows exactly what he is doing.

P.S. - Is the "pope" ditching his heresy? It matters little if he "ditches" one, he and all the Vatican II church popes have 1000's of heresies."
well, I was referring to all the heresies
If he becomes truly Catholic... but the problem is that after all the un-Cathlic shenanigans... how are we to trust him? He needs to resign like Pope B did..