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Offline graceseeker

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Is the pope ditching his heresy?
« on: February 20, 2018, 05:20:41 PM »
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    • There was an insert in the Church bulletin from the pope

    and it was uplifting and no heresy so I wonder if he is taking to heart what people are talking about concerning that one docuмent and etc.. I hope so

    I read somewhere something about no pope can be a heretic but you know... well, supposedly when the pope is elected, all heresies he believed in up to then were no longer believed

    huh?

    that sounds like magic or something. Yes, Catholicism is mystical and supernatural but give me a break. Heresy is a serious thing.  and it doesn't disappear until the person believing it makes it disappear. We all have free will, don't become a robot just bc got elected pope...
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »
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    • if you seriously believe a man so unaware of basic Catholic doctrines that his heresies could be considered material after decades as a Bishop and Archbishop could be elected Pope and make huge doctrinal changes, COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THEIR HERETICAL NATURE, then you're the one who believes in magic. 

    "Pope" Francis is clearly a formal heretic, and ergo not a valid Pope. 
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 05:44:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on February 20, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
    if you seriously believe a man so unaware of basic Catholic doctrines that his heresies could be considered material after decades as a Bishop and Archbishop could be elected Pope and make huge doctrinal changes, COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THEIR HERETICAL NATURE, then you're the one who believes in magic.

    "Pope" Francis is clearly a formal heretic, and ergo not a valid Pope.
    people do repent
    I know its hard to believe
    but it's true
    Peter failed Jesus but he repented... true, it wasn't bc of heresy but whatever... In any case, what the pope said was good
    eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 05:56:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on February 20, 2018, 05:44:35 PM
    people do repent
    I know its hard to believe
    but it's true
    Peter failed Jesus but he repented... true, it wasn't bc of heresy but whatever... In any case, what the pope said was good
    eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
    If a Pope believes in formal heresy, he is automatically no longer the Pope. 
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 08:12:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on February 20, 2018, 05:44:35 PM
    eh said we should do something that is hard to do (for Lent) and etc...
    Hey! That's brilliant. Maybe he'll become Catholic.
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 02:10:22 AM »
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    • I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 08:05:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 21, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
    I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
    Poche, the blind leading the blind. 
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 07:21:02 PM »
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    • But then again,

    Pope Francis chooses pro-LGBT priest to guide Lent retreat who holds Jesus didn’t ‘establish rules

    link
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 12:49:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 21, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
    I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
    true but he has advocated married-divorded-re-married people taking Holy Communion
    no person in mortal sin c an do that.
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 02:21:19 PM »
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    • Well, even a heretic has SOME truth about him, no?  But it only takes one heresy to make one a heretic.

    That was how JP2 and B16 fooled so many people.  They were capable of speaking in very orthodox and pious ways.  They often appeared devout when offering Mass.  And yet ...
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2018, 05:44:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on February 21, 2018, 02:10:22 AM
    I think that too many times the Pope is quoted out of context by too many people who should know better.
    I can't believe that anyone is still using this excuse.
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 09:18:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on February 25, 2018, 05:44:37 AM
    I can't believe that anyone is still using this excuse.
    The blind will always exist. 
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 09:28:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on February 25, 2018, 09:25:18 AM
    I can't believe the title of this. If one thing's clear, it's that heretics aren't in the Church. I just don't understand those who think the Catholic Church could have a heretic as its head and center of unity. This whole false belief, and ridiculous thread title, is an oxymoron.
    Like I said at the beginning, the blind leading the blind, gracekeeper asking a question and Poche providing the "answer".
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #13 on: February 25, 2018, 10:19:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 25, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
    The blind will always exist.
    There's blind and then there's willfully blind.  
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    Re: Is the pope ditching his heresy?
    « Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 10:55:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on February 25, 2018, 09:25:18 AM
    I can't believe the title of this. If one thing's clear, it's that heretics aren't in the Church. I just don't understand those who think the Catholic Church could have a heretic as its head and center of unity. This whole false belief, and ridiculous thread title, is an oxymoron.
    well, not all of us know absolutely everything like you do
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