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Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« on: January 31, 2014, 06:39:42 PM »
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  • I got this in an email from the SSPX today. Roscoe will not approve :smoke-pot::
    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    Is smoking marijuana a sin?



    Recently there has been quite a bit of news chatter about various state legislatures proposing to or actually legalizing the use of "recreational" marijuana. But what does the Catholic Church teach about the use of marijuana, or other narcotic drugs — is this a sin?

    We provide two answers to these frequently asked moral theological topics, extracted from The Best Questions and Answers (over 300 answers from 30 years of questions featured in The Angelus magazine).

    Is smoking marijuana a sin?

    “Neither the effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards...will possess the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:10). Drunkenness is a deliberate excess in the use of intoxicating drink or drugs to the point of forcibly depriving oneself of the use of reason for the sake of gratifying an inordinate desire for such drink and not for the sake of promoting health. This is contrary to the virtue of temperance, and specifically sobriety. Sobriety regulates man’s desire and use of intoxicants, and is vitally necessary for an upright moral life.

    The evil of intoxication lies in the violence committed against one’s nature by depriving it of the use of reason. He deprives himself of that which makes him specifically human — his ability to think. The drunk, or in this case the drug user, desires this loss of reason because of the feeling of liberation which accompanies it precisely from this lack of control of the will over the reason. It is unnatural, contrary to sleep, which also deprives one of the use of reason but in a natural manner.

    Drug use gives an illicit means of escape. Besides being a sin, it also manifests an immaturity on the part of the user. Through an act of violence against himself, he escapes from the responsibility of decision making and control in his life. When this deprivation is complete, e.g., actions totally contrary to normal behavior, incapability of distinguishing between good and evil, etc., it is a grave sin. “In vino veritas,” said the Romans, not without reason. Any state short of complete drunkenness, without sufficient reason, is of itself venially sinful, but even in this case it may be a mortal sin if it causes scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc. It is important also to note that a man is responsible for all the sinful actions committed while intoxicated which he had, or ought to have, foreseen.

    According to Jone-Adelman in Moral Theology, the use of drugs in small quantities and only occasionally is a venial sin if done without sufficient reason. This could be the case, for example, with sleeping pills. Obviously, deprivation of the use of reason through narcotics is to be judged as alcohol. The use of most drugs is complicated by the fact that they are illegal. This also signifies the will of the user to break the law, an offense against social justice. This compounds the sin. The speed with which a drug alters one’s consciousness also aggravates its use. This rapidity risks a greater potential to deprive oneself of the use of reason and thus to pass on to stronger intoxicants for increased effect.

    Therefore, adding to the violation of the virtue of justice, the grave scandal caused, the grave danger of addiction, and the stronger consciousness-altering ability of marijuana, it is difficult to excuse one of mortal sin. Moreover, experience tells us that its use is frequently an occasion of mortal sin, especially sins of the flesh and the use of narcotic drugs. But to willingly and knowingly place oneself in an unnecessary proximate occasion of mortal sin is to commit a mortal sin.  Fr. James Doran, September 1993

    Is it a mortal sin to use drugs?

    The old text books [on moral theology] do not speak of this new problem of the modern world. However, the immorality of drug abuse can be clearly deduced from the principles which allow an evaluation of the malice of alcohol abuse. The distinction is made between imperfect drunkenness, the fact of making oneself tipsy deliberately, which can only be a venial sin, and perfect drunkenness, which is drinking until one is drunk. This is a mortal sin because a drunken person loses the use of reason. This is St. Thomas Aquinas’s response to the objection that the quantity of wine drunk is but a circuмstance, which cannot make a venial sin into a mortal sin:

    With regard to drunkenness we reply that it is a mortal sin by reason of its genus: for that a man, without necessity, and through the mere lust of wine, makes himself unable to use his reason, whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins, is expressly contrary to virtue. That it be a venial sin is due to some sort of ignorance or weakness, as when a man is ignorant of the strength of the wine, or of his own unfitness, so that he has no thought of getting drunk, for in that case the drunkenness is not imputed to him as a sin, but only the excessive drink…. (Summa Theologica, I-II, q. 88, art. 5, ad1)

    The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.

    Drug abuse is consequently much worse than the pure seeking of pleasure or relaxation that some claim it to be. It is a denial of the natural and supernatural order, according to which God has created us in His image and likeness that our acts might be ordered to His honor and glory. Moreover, it goes without saying that the abuse of drugs is directly opposed to the Catholic spirit, which spirit of sacrifice, the practical application of the spirit of the cross, is essential to the living of our faith.

    As previously mentioned, the principal evil of drug abuse is the destruction of moral conscience. It follows that the atrocious consequences of drug abuse are inseparable from it, and are willed together with the drugs themselves. This includes the breaking of the law in the consumption of drugs; and in the means of obtaining them, such as theft; and in the effort to sell them in turn to others, often minors or children. Other consequences include the incredible self-indulgence which accompanies the almost insatiable desire for always more titillating experiences, sins of blasphemy, the often satanic rock music, and the sins against purity and chastity, which are the consequence of the loss of shame and conscience.

    Sins against charity and justice abound, such as disobedience to parents and refusal to do one’s duty at school or work, not to mention the bad company-keeping which is the breeding ground of all vices. Long term results are also willed in their cause, and they include such things as emotional and physical addiction, the passage from soft to hard drugs, the damage done to the body and to general health by prolonged drug use, culminating in the “fried” brains of the person who cannot even reason clearly, let alone make a moral judgment. It is a mortal sin to place one’s physical and spiritual health in such proximate danger, even if a person is to pretend that he is immune from this danger and that “it could not happen to me.”

    Even the often liberal and ambiguous Catechism of the Catholic Church, published in 1994 in application of the principles of Vatican II, acknowledges this:

    The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law. (§2291)

    This does not, however, exclude the use of narcotic drugs for therapeutic reasons. Their use, under medical supervision, is justified by a sufficiently grave and proportionate reason, even if they do deprive a person temporarily of the use of reason. (Cf. Merkelbach, Summa Theologiae Moralis, II, 925). For it is not the loss of reason which is willed. It is only an indirect consequence, so that there is not necessarily a disorder with respect to the final end of man. The typical example is pain control.

    In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity. Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 07:00:35 PM »
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  • Good post, Matto. You will inevitably be treated to some addlepated sophistry from Roscoe in defense of this vice. Or he will simply dismiss you as a "Jansenist."

    Roscoe's recent bizarre behavior in the "Teen Catholic Hangout" subforum is the best possible PSA against marijuana that I can think of... Apart perhaps from his simultaneous attachment to the Siri Thesis AND the music of The Beatles...


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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 07:26:33 PM »
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  • There is no such thing as a Jansenist.

    Seriously, I drink wine or beer almost every day.  I have not been even slightly drunk in more years than I can remember.  25 at least.  I drink wine or beer with dinner because I like the taste of wine and beer.  The point is not inebriation.  Does any one use marijuana because of how it tastes, with no intention of inebriation?  I don't think so.  
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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 09:19:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    There is no such thing as a Jansenist.

    Seriously, I drink wine or beer almost every day.  I have not been even slightly drunk in more years than I can remember.  25 at least.  I drink wine or beer with dinner because I like the taste of wine and beer.  The point is not inebriation.  Does any one use marijuana because of how it tastes, with no intention of inebriation?  I don't think so.  


    Exactly so. You've succinctly summed up exactly why use of cannabis is sinful and not morally equivalent to consumption of beer or wine.

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 09:30:34 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana: :smoke-pot:
    No longer a sin in Colorado!  All other states, it's fine so long as you don't inhale.  If you are a priest or religious, you aren't allowed to enjoy it.

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 10:05:14 AM »
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  • It's certainly legal in New York, de facto if not de jure. So much public smoking of this stinking weed goes on in my neighborhood with impunity, I sometimes feel as though I live in Amsterdam. Ubiquitous fαɢɢօty helps complete the illusion.

    My brother, a retired police officer, has friends who work on the new mayor's security detail. They told him they had to actually ask Mr de Blasio to refrain from smoking in their presence.

    Which brings me back to Roscoe - Roscoe, have you ever noticed that pot smokers generally tend to be hippies, socialists, leftists, etc... and that traditional Catholics overwhelmingly tend not to be pot smokers at all? Why do you suppose this is?

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 02:01:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    There is no such thing as a Jansenist.

    Seriously, I drink wine or beer almost every day.  I have not been even slightly drunk in more years than I can remember.  25 at least.  I drink wine or beer with dinner because I like the taste of wine and beer.  The point is not inebriation.  Does any one use marijuana because of how it tastes, with no intention of inebriation?  I don't think so.  


    God created the plant so he must have had a plan for it's use.  As far as I know he only created one plant that human kind was told in no uncertain terms NOT to use; no if, ands or buts and that was not the marijuana plant.

    So far we know that marijuana helps those who suffer from cancer (it improves their appetite and suppresses the urge to vomit all food) and it also helps those with glaucoma by lowering the pressure in the eye. If I had cancer I would sure use it over taking pharmaceuticals to quell the vomiting because pharmaceuticals have far more varied and worse side effects.

    ABUSE of a substance, be it alcohol, weed, or even food is the sin, not the simple USE of the item.

    There are plenty of die-hards on both sides of the issue so I don't intend to debate the issue, just throwing in my two cents.

    Marsha


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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 02:25:19 PM »
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  • Is smoking nicotine products a sin? I know it is potentially fatal in the long run, but do it anyway because of the weakness of my will.


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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2014, 03:37:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Is smoking nicotine products a sin? I know it is potentially fatal in the long run, but do it anyway because of the weakness of my will.


    Life is fatal.  

    I'm sure someone will make the case against tobacco, but if you think about it there will always be people who will make a case against anything and everything.  Would that be called overly scrupulous?

    I suppose smoking might be a sin if a person would rather smoke than go to work or take care of the kids, or skipped Mass in order to puff away; or if the money spent on smokes took away from paying the grocery bill or the rent, but in moderation I personally would not consider it a sin.  I've never seen it mentioned in any of the confession guides that I have (preV2) so as far as I can tell it's not even on the radar for being sinful.  

    Marsha

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2014, 03:42:00 PM »
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  • Marijuana actually smells evil.

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2014, 03:52:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Is smoking nicotine products a sin? I know it is potentially fatal in the long run, but do it anyway because of the weakness of my will.


    I think it could be attributed to a sin against the Holy Ghost especially since upon confirmation we have become a Temple of the Holy Ghost, and therefore should take adequate care of our bodies so we could do as Catechism Question # 2 states:
    Know, love, and serve God. (This was told to me by a Trad priest and it makes sense.)
    My father was a heavy smoker, died of lung cancer, and had only half of one lung and a third of the other left by the time he died.  We were left fatherless and my mother widowed very young.
    Commercial cigarettes have absolutely zero value to your health and actually have deadly effects.

    And I don't know about you but tobacco & alcohol actually taste terrible.  
    One eventually acquires a taste for it because of the effects it has.  
    If you are truly honest with yourself when you first took a sip, did you not, HONESTLY, think it tasted terrible?  
    But either peer pressure or how we felt like when we consumed these items (woozy, high, relaxed) kept us consuming them.

    All these have their purpose and their place.  
    Hops (which is used in making beer) is a great sleep aid, stuff your pillow with it and catch a restful night's sleep.
    Tobacco I am sure has some good use, maybe not for smoking.  
    And marijuana, has many other uses other than medicinal.  
    It makes great pig feed, fuel, rope, fiber, etc.

    And as for only hippies smoking pot, just go down to Wall St., the teachers lounge, the fire dept, the police department, the library, the hospital.  
    Pot smokers are everywhere.  
    And lots of those who preach against it actually use it

    I do not agree with it and I think it is a grave sin against the Holy Ghost but nevertheless, there is more than meets the eye than what the article speaks of.

    I say let's have hot cocoa instead, always makes me feel good!

    :wink:  :chef: :wink:



     


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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2014, 05:28:05 PM »
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  • One of my favourite topics here (spirits). I dare anyone to have a drop of Christian Brothers, or E&J brandy & say it's terrible, likewise for Monopolowa Polish vodka, El Jimador tequila or Gilby's London Dry gin. I would quite agree however in regard to beer, never liked it, all it does is give you the feeling that you've somehow ingested an entire watermelon whole, like a snake eats an egg. The best way to drink vodka is to put it into the freezer so that it becomes ice-cold, then pour it into a small glass & drink it all in one gulp. It's excellent for pain physical or mental & helps improve one's circulation & reduces inflammation as well. For making punch & so forth there's always pure grain alcohol like everclear, it can be had by the half-gallon bottle. So long as one doesn't drink to the point of being deprived of reason or injuring one's liver &c, there's nothing wrong with enjoying one of God's greatest gifts to mankind. As for cannabis I don't know about that. If it can be taken in moderation like alcohol, then perhaps it would be permissible morally speaking, but I must say that Peter Hitchens makes a rather convincing argument that it often induces madness in those who use it frequently. More research is in order.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 01, 2014, 06:03:45 PM »
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  • I see that the question about cannabis has already been answered at the beginning of the thread, I only read the last page & got so carried away by my enthusiasm for spirits that I added the bit at the end regarding cannabis as an afterthought. Fr. Scott's article is enlightening & has convinced me, I have read arguments from both sides, some say it can be taken in moderation without depriving one of reason, & others, like Fr. Scott that the nature of its action on the body makes this an impossibility. For anyone interested in the subject I would recommend Peter Hitchens's articles about it. He has argued for the strict enforcement of anti-cannabis laws in Britain (where it's de facto legalized, if not de jure), he ascribes a great of the crime & incidence of insanity to its nearly ubiquitous use among British youth. I had always thought that the schools, the evil "music", television &c. had played a greater part than cannabis but I see that I've underestimated it.

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    Is smoking marijuana a sin?
    « Reply #13 on: February 01, 2014, 06:55:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cuthbert
    Peter Hitchens makes a rather convincing argument that it often induces madness in those who use it frequently. More research is in order.


    Roscoe just published his full name, address, and telephone number on one of the subforums, completely unsolicited. He did it as some kind of bizarre "good faith" gesture to Neil Obstat, whose real name Roscoe would like to see published as well, because Roscoe finds some sort of dissonance in Neil's being a geocentrist, but not a believer in the Siri Thesis.

    I'm not kidding. I read the entire thread, and that was Roscoe's justification for publishing his own personal information.

    My point being, it would seem Peter Hitchens is correct.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 01, 2014, 06:56:16 PM »
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  • @Holysouls,
    But mama cha cha likes a good prosecco with strawberries! Goes great with linguine and :ready-to-eat: clam sauce!  :ready-to-eat:
    Lol, jk. I understand. I know more catholics who don't drink than do. Some people just don't care for it. It's okay. I hate pickles, so there you go.

    But I do agree that nobody smokes pot because of the vintage. But I still think it is good for chronically ill people. I'd rather they were smoking pot than popping pills and robbing pharmacies.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."