Just pointing it out since many (willfully?) ignore simple observations.

These other scientsts were speaking of unrelated matters.  POINT being made is that Dave lacks credibility.  He does the same things in these other videos about other subjects that the FE folks accuse him of, being ignorant of what they actually say, producing strawman arguments, and make blatantly false statements.

How does Eratosthenes' observation matter when you have people showing there is no curve at ridiculous distances?

Well, I don't believe they've "shown" that. Too many questions, too many variables, and some errors.

Eratosthenes is a fairly simple observation. FEers even used it to base their claim the sun is ~5500km above the earth plane.

If you only observe shadows at two latitudes, you can argue the earth surface is flat and still get the same results.

But if you take MANY observations at several latitudes, you can distinguish between FE and GE.

These other scientsts were speaking of unrelated matters.  POINT being made is that Dave lacks credibility.  He does the same things in these other videos about other subjects that the FE folks accuse him of, being ignorant of what they actually say, producing strawman arguments, and make blatantly false statements.

Here's his reply video again:

At about 50 seconds in, he explains that he didn't look up what FEers say in his first video on the subject. But since globebusters took great length telling him what they DO believe, he can respond to that. That's what he did in the video linked.

45 minutes is still long.  This twit has been exposed even by numerous non-FE scientists as ignorant and as constantly using strawmenand false arguments.  Those two non-FE videos linked above completely rip the guy to shreds ... from people who are well trained and educated in their respective disciplines.

What two non-FE videos? I don't know what you're referring to in this 60+ page thread.

Some arguments he makes don't apply to the particular FE model you believe. He also makes some mistakes. But overall, the arguments he makes are pretty straightforward and should be understandable.

I like this thread, but, it seems to be repeating itself. We keep cycling between prove the curvature, present proof, prove the sun and moon, present proof, provide me a complete and total model, present WIP models, refute this Prof. Jewey Jewstein video, present videos refuting it, etc etc.

I think we're at a point where neither side is being convinced of the other.

I think you’re right DL. To be honest with you, the more I watch and read, the more I believe that the “traditional” geocentric model is correct.

Geocentrism is undeniable. As I've said ages ago in this thread, I believe the earth is a flat plane enclosed in a globe at the center of the universe (which consists of the heavens above the Firmament and the earth below). That's it.

Lay down the law and the rules of the discussion, bro!  Yessir!  Show 'em you're in charge!  That oughta make people interested in engaging you!

There are plenty of videos debunking this or that.  When offering some supposedly end-all-be-all vid, it might be wiser to NOT do so like a completely close-minded know-it-all.  Doing so naturally and understandably makes most, if not all, people think that discussing anything with you is a complete waste of time.  It doesn't help that the previous list you posted was mostly childish nonsense, but you likely thought it was rock-solid stuff.  Oh well.  Do as you must.  Godspeed.

Discuss all you want all day long as you please, but I personally won't keep wasting my time on "what about this or that" arguments anymore.

That's why I personally would like to focuse on a single argument at a time, you know. I'm not close minded. Give a single sound proof that the video is wrong and I'll believe you.

Forget about the list. It wasn't mine. I copied it from somewhere else. It's not constructive for this thread. No, it certainly wasn't childish nonsense, but some points of it may have been debatable.

Godspeed to you too sir!

I like this thread, but, it seems to be repeating itself. We keep cycling between prove the curvature, present proof, prove the sun and moon, present proof, provide me a complete and total model, present WIP models, refute this Prof. Jєωey Jєωstein video, present videos refuting it, etc etc.

I think we're at a point where neither side is being convinced of the other.

Oh I totally agree with you DL!

And Prof. Jєωshtein might be a shmeary millenial, but his arguments are still very much on point. Can we please focus on the arguments, not on the man, as Ladislaus and others did above.

As nobody dared to refute a single point from video #1 (DecemRationis observed before), I'll post it again here:


And if you think the moon is made of shiny translucent cheese, then there's video #2 that was linked in another thread previously which is about the stars, if you'd rather take on the points he makes here:


And if you don't like those two, please, there are still videos #3 and #4 with the same amount of damning proofs that FE does not work with reality.

Every single argument in these short videos singlehandedly disproves flat Earth without using any science at all. You don't need to advocate other authorities and post lengthy four hour videos in return to respond, because it's either clearly true or completely false. That's why I think they're useful for this thread.