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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #960 on: December 18, 2021, 12:18:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 11:45:50 AM

    Why are many of these supposed great FE videos so ridiculously long? Over 3 hours! Shouldn’t he be able to debunk the millennial Dave in a bit less time? :facepalm:

    Most of them aren't.   This one is long because it's 3 guys talking.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #961 on: December 18, 2021, 12:21:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
    You are absolutely wrong here. You presented that map as a map of the flat Earth to scale. You own it. It’s scale is blatantly wrong if the Earth is indeed flat. No flat map can ever be completely accurate if the Earth is actually a globe.

    We're arguging that this IS perfectly accurate, precisely because the earth is a globe.  Big difference is in the allegations regarding the Southern Hemisphere (otherwise the scales are pretty identical).  And the flight paths in the Southern Hemisphere make no sense on a globe, but perfect sense on a flat earth map (just like this one).  You're begging the question here.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #962 on: December 18, 2021, 12:23:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on December 18, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
    I already said he makes some mistakes. And sure, he portrays an attitude with the FE vids; perhaps he's found that some of his followers like that attitude. His other science videos are different.

    So anyway, "globebusters" put out a THREE HOUR video in response to one of his.

    Here's his response. At least it's only 45 minutes and seems to include the clips he's responding to.



    45 minutes is still long.  This twit has been exposed even by numerous non-FE scientists as ignorant and as constantly using strawmenand false arguments.  Those two non-FE videos linked above completely rip the guy to shreds ... from people who are well trained and educated in their respective disciplines.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #963 on: December 18, 2021, 12:34:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
    We're arguging that this IS perfectly accurate, precisely because the earth is a globe.  Big difference is in the allegations regarding the Southern Hemisphere (otherwise the scales are pretty identical).  And the flight paths in the Southern Hemisphere make no sense on a globe, but perfect sense on a flat earth map (just like this one).  You're begging the question here.


    Sorry Lad, but I’m not begging any question. You claimed that the map you posted was an accurate, to “scale”, map of the world. That is impossible because the distances are so far off that a preschooler can see it. There is absolutely no way around it and it is actually one of several Achilles’ heels of the FE theory. 

    Also, I wouldn’t rely on flight patterns for your argument. Ships have been measuring this distances for hundreds of years.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #964 on: December 18, 2021, 12:37:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 12:23:15 PM
    45 minutes is still long.  This twit has been exposed even by numerous non-FE scientists as ignorant and as constantly using strawmenand false arguments.  Those two non-FE videos linked above completely rip the guy to shreds ... from people who are well trained and educated in their respective disciplines.

    I’ve noticed that the non-FE scientists don’t try to debunk Dave on his anti-FE videos. It seems to me that the reason they don’t is because they agree with Dave on this issue.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #965 on: December 18, 2021, 12:38:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 12:00:39 PM
    Fine DL, but 3 hours?  Regardless, the map issue is a serious problem for the FE theory.
    That's fair, my apologies.

    Lad, is there a timestamp where they address the point in the 3 hour video?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #966 on: December 18, 2021, 12:42:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 18, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
    That's fair, my apologies.

    Lad, is there a timestamp where they address the point in the 3 hour video?


    No problem DL, you are a gentleman.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #967 on: December 18, 2021, 12:45:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
    I’ve noticed that the non-FE scientists don’t try to debunk Dave on his anti-FE videos. It seems to me that the reason they don’t is because they agree with Dave on this issue.

    I'm stunned that the silliness of this "astute observation" didn't register.  Yikes!
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #968 on: December 18, 2021, 12:46:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
    Sorry Lad, but I’m not begging any question. You claimed that the map you posted was an accurate, to “scale”, map of the world.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/is-refusing-to-accept-an-'obvious-fact'-a-sin-of-lying/msg794027/#msg794027

    Here's the question - does everywhere on the map have the same scale?

    Look at the US. East to West it's about 3000 miles wide.

    Look at Australia. East to West it's about 2500 miles wide.

    Are those similar length on the equidistant azimuthal map? Not even close. Australia looks over twice as long east-west.

    The equidistant azimuthal maps can have a scale for distance from the center point, because that's preserved in the projection.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #969 on: December 18, 2021, 12:49:51 PM »
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #970 on: December 18, 2021, 12:51:03 PM »
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    • Easiest way to come up conclusions: CathInfo meetup where we get on a boat, multiple REers and FEers and both film the knots, this way we can both verify distances and see what model represents at least the reality of this measurement. Hey, I can even bring my telescope and we can do antics with that. I don't have a sun filter unfortunately. I can stomach RL experiments more than multiple hours plus long vids on either side of the debate. I'm motivated to do tests, anyone else?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #971 on: December 18, 2021, 12:55:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 12:34:19 PM

    Sorry Lad, but I’m not begging any question. You claimed that the map you posted was an accurate, to “scale”, map of the world. That is impossible because the distances are so far off that a preschooler can see it.

    No, they are not off.  You're begging the question.  Flight paths in the Southern hemisphere make sense on THIS map and not on the globe.

    You appeal to "preschoolers" and that's your level of thinking at this time, accepting things you're told like a preschooler.

    Have you gone out there to measure that these distances are correct or incorrect?  I didn't think so.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #972 on: December 18, 2021, 12:57:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on December 18, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
    I can stomach RL experiments more than multiple hours plus long vids on either side of the debate. I'm motivated to do tests, anyone else?

    How about doing the Eratosthenes observation from all over the world?

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/is-refusing-to-accept-an-'obvious-fact'-a-sin-of-lying/msg793417/#msg793417

    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 12:55:05 PM
    No, they are not off.  You're begging the question.  Flight paths in the Southern hemisphere make sense on THIS map and not on the globe.

    Um, Santiago-Sydney flight path is nowhere near a line on a FE map.

    Most southern hemisphere flights make no sense on a FE map.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #973 on: December 18, 2021, 12:57:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 18, 2021, 12:45:00 PM
    I'm stunned that the silliness of this "astute observation" didn't register.  Yikes!

    Just pointing it out since many (willfully?) ignore simple observations.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #974 on: December 18, 2021, 12:58:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 18, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
    That's fair, my apologies.

    Lad, is there a timestamp where they address the point in the 3 hour video?

    Which point?  They go through the entirety of one of Dave's videos, pause it and comment.  That's why it's so long.
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