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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #945 on: December 18, 2021, 10:56:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on December 18, 2021, 10:34:01 AM
    No, it's not a given that stars are seen "through" the moon. It's been explained a couple times now that dust on the optics, and thermal noise, are two common reasons you might see bits of light in a dark area in a picture of the moon.

    And in case it's not clear why FE has a problem with no sunlight in the arctic simultaneous with long days in the southern hemisphere, it turns out "Professor Dave" talks about this in 2:45 to 5:00 of the following video. In particular, look at the map at about 4:45.



    That arrogant millennial-hippie baboon neglects to take into account reflection off the firmament.  That picture is perfectly consistent with there being a firmament around the edges and reflecting light around the circle.

    90% of globers simply do not take into account the firmament because they simply assume it can't exist.

    He opens the video with an idiotic rant bout there not being a "scale".  "Scale" is that of the Azimuthal equidistant projection map.  Many such exist and have scales.



    Behold the scale (righ there at the bottom).
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #946 on: December 18, 2021, 11:13:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
    That arrogant baboon neglects to take into account reflection off the firmament.  That picture is perfectly consistent with there being a firmament around the edges and reflecting light around the circle.

    OK, so you're proposing that light "reflects" along the firmament.

    Do you have any evidence for this?

    And are you acknowledging that the antarctic has 24 hr daylight for part of the year?

    Even if light reflects along the firmament, how does light get all the way around to the other side of the disk, but nothing gets to the arctic circle?

    If you can't explain this, how do you know it's "perfectly consistent"?

    The system you're "explaining" is ad hoc. Each part is an attempt to explain one observation, with no apparent unifying principles.

    Could you make any predictions? Could you tell, based on the "model", when sunrise or sunset will be in any particular place?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #947 on: December 18, 2021, 11:17:46 AM »
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    • Earth radius 12,000 miles?  If these calculations are correct, there really is land beyond the known world.  This is the same guy who did the photogrammetry and infrared camera work.  Flying across Florida his camera sees approx 500 miles.  Calculating all measurements to the horizon results are pretty interesting.  Measuring begins somewhere around 18:00

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #948 on: December 18, 2021, 11:32:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 10:53:11 AM
    There are official reports out there by professional astronomers detailing their observations to that effect.

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    I have seen no "professional astronomer" say that, ror identify a star by name that was allegedly seen "though' the moon.

    I could also add "argument from authority" which you seem to accept uncritically.

    So I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on this.

    And even if you were right, it wouldn't mean the earth is flat.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #949 on: December 18, 2021, 11:33:00 AM »
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    • "Professor Dave" has been debunked by numerous scientists even outside of FE ... as an ignorant delusional narcissist.

    Here's a debunking of his anti-FE nonsense.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #950 on: December 18, 2021, 11:36:34 AM »
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    • Debunking the 24-hour sun.  Proves without a shadow of a doubt (with identical clouds at the beginning and end of the video).  As the narrator asks, if it's a real thing, why not just show it ... instead of creating fake videos.



    appropriate screenshot from the video ...

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #951 on: December 18, 2021, 11:38:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
    That arrogant millennial-hippie baboon neglects to take into account reflection off the firmament.  That picture is perfectly consistent with there being a firmament around the edges and reflecting light around the circle.

    90% of globers simply do not take into account the firmament because they simply assume it can't exist.

    He opens the video with an idiotic rant bout there not being a "scale".  "Scale" is that of the Azimuthal equidistant projection map.  Many such exist and have scales.



    Behold the scale (righ there at the bottom).


    I need to correct you here Lad. That map is a projection of a global Earth, not a map of a flat Earth. If the Earth looks that way and is to scale. Do you truly believe while looking at that map that the distance from NY to LA is to scale when measuring the distance from South America to Australia? It’s absolutely ridiculous.  

    “Gleason could claim it is the map of ‘flat-Earth’, but his explanation written in his patent for the map is contradictory:
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    Quote “The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.” —US Patent No. 497,917 by Alexander Gleason
    From the registered patent, he never mentioned that the Earth is flat. On the contrary, he said that he made the map from a globe, which explains how a north-pole centered azimuthal equidistant map is designed.”



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #952 on: December 18, 2021, 11:39:56 AM »
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    • There are numerous non-FE scientists ... astronomers ... who have debunked him as well as an ignorant narcissistic twit.

    He also rants against this guy, who then very calmly dismantles him ..
    https://i.ibb.co/DgY0kZW/dave.png

    And he's dismantled here again by the proponents of the electric/plasma universe.


    Consistent theme is that the guy is an ignorant blowhard.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #953 on: December 18, 2021, 11:41:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 18, 2021, 11:38:56 AM

    I need to correct you here Lad. That map is a projection of a global Earth, not a map of a flat Earth.

    That's precisely the dispute, whether this projection reflects reality or the globe projection does.  Point is there there is a scale based on this projection.  You are doing nothing more than begging the question that the earth is a globe.  There are dozens of different competing projections that claim to be the most accurate.  In fact, the common one that's probably still in most schoolrooms has been widely discredited.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #954 on: December 18, 2021, 11:44:55 AM »
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    • One of the biggest pieces of evidence that the FE are onto something:

    1) clearly faked videos by the globers like the Antarctic sun and the helicopter footage from PBS/Discover ... both exposed as obvious hoaxes.  As the guy asks on the Antarctic sun video, if it's real then why not simply take real footage?  Why the need to fake footage?  And these were both exposed as obvious hoaxes.

    2) suppression of FE by Big Tech
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #955 on: December 18, 2021, 11:45:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 11:33:00 AM
    "Professor Dave" has been debunked by numerous scientists even outside of FE ... as an ignorant delusional narcissist.

    Here's a debunking of his anti-FE nonsense.



    Why are many of these supposed great FE videos so ridiculously long? Over 3 hours! Shouldn’t he be able to debunk the millennial Dave in a bit less time? :facepalm:

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #956 on: December 18, 2021, 11:48:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 11:33:00 AM
    "Professor Dave" has been debunked by numerous scientists even outside of FE ... as an ignorant delusional narcissist.
    Here's a debunking of his anti-FE nonsense.

    I already said he makes some mistakes. And sure, he portrays an attitude with the FE vids; perhaps he's found that some of his followers like that attitude. His other science videos are different.

    So anyway, "globebusters" put out a THREE HOUR video in response to one of his.

    Here's his response. At least it's only 45 minutes and seems to include the clips he's responding to.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #957 on: December 18, 2021, 11:54:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
    That's precisely the dispute, whether this projection reflects reality or the globe projection does.  Point is there there is a scale based on this projection.  You are doing nothing more than begging the question that the earth is a globe.  There are dozens of different competing projections that claim to be the most accurate.  In fact, the common one that's probably still in most schoolrooms has been widely discredited.

    You are absolutely wrong here. You presented that map as a map of the flat Earth to scale. You own it. It’s scale is blatantly wrong if the Earth is indeed flat. No flat map can ever be completely accurate if the Earth is actually a globe.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #958 on: December 18, 2021, 11:54:44 AM »
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    • It's easier to poke holes in a theory than defend them. Stop complaining about video lengths.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #959 on: December 18, 2021, 12:00:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 18, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
    It's easier to poke holes in a theory than defend them. Stop complaining about video lengths.

    Fine DL, but 3 hours?  Regardless, the map issue is a serious problem for the FE theory.
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