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Offline Dankward

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #810 on: December 15, 2021, 05:38:07 PM »
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  • Here's a list of questions concerning the flat Earth model that have been answered for the globe Earth model. Let's see if we can come up for answers for just a few of them.

    Pick some, and let's have a discussion about it.


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    1) Why can it be predicted where the ISS can be sighted and when anywhere in the world? If the earth is flat the ISS would not appear from under the horizon, cross the sky perfectly visible with my eight inch reflecting telescope and then clearly disappear over the horizon again. Surely on a flat earth it would just traverse an arc around the sky.

    2) What makes a lighter thing rise, and a heavier thing fall if there is no such thing as gravity?

    3) If I drill all the way through the disk what would l see or find on the other side?

    4) Why has no one ever drilled or tunnelled through to the bottom of flat earth?

    5) Why are all of the other planets different from our planet?

    6) What makes the sun move?

    7) What makes the stars move?

    8) If water finds its own level how do you explain the tides?

    9) Can you please explain how thick is the disk, and what is on the other side?

    10) You tell us that there is no gravity, and you tell us that everything can be explained by density and buoyancy, but how do they work without gravity?

    11) 10 ) What holds the moon up in the sky and why do the sun and the moon never collide as they are circling in the sky over the flat earth?

    12) Can you please explain why a flat earther has never ever gone to the edge of the flat earth and taken pictures to prove that there is an edge?

    13) To use a map you need a scale, or some way of working out the distance between two points, why is there never a scale on a flat earth map? It does make them very hard to use :-(

    14) How did the Japanese air force manage to fly from Japan to Pearl Harbour for the attack on Sunday, December 7, 1941, this flight would need 4 times the fuel any of the planes could carry so how did they do it

    15) We know that volcano's spew out molten magma but where does all of that hot magma live when it’s not actually blowing out of a volcano and what heats it up so that the rocks melt?

    16) What explains the phases of the moon and why does the moon go through the different phases every 28 days?

    17) Why do stars rotate counter-clockwise around Polaris in the UK and clockwise around the Southern Cross in Australia? If we are on a flat plane surely the firmament or the stars can only rotate one way ?

    18) How come all of the other planets look like round globes, and their rotation can be observed even through a small telescope such as the two I have?

    19) Simple mathematics and geometry for you here, at sea level at 6 ft tall the horizon is 2.98 miles away, with a telescope it is still 2.98 miles away, just enlarged, at 250 meters above sea level the horizon is 30 miles away, this alone shows curvature surely?

    20) What holds up the sun so that it can go around in a circle above the flat earth?

    21) If the moon is close to the earth would people, in different locations not see different views of the moon. We could not see the same spherical moon over a flat earth if it were close to us surely?

    22) Can you tell me about the other planets, are they also flat?

    23) How do we get seasons?

    24) Why do we get leap years if the earth is flat?

    25) If the sun and the moon are small, and local and at the same height how do we get solar and lunar eclipses,

    26) Why are there no aerial photographs of the flat earth?

    27) Why is there not a single photograph of the Ice Wall?

    28) The dome or the firmament, there is not a single photograph of it, why not?

    29) What is the dome made from?

    30) Where do meteors and meteorites come from?

    31) The sun rises from behind the horizon and sinks behind the horizon, the size of the sun does not change as it rises or sets, but if it were moving away from us a massive change in size would be noticed!

    33) Size of the Earth: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    34) Mass of the earth: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    35) Existence of firmament / dome: no evidence / unverified.

    36) Distance to/height of dome: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    37) Edge of the Earth: no evidence / unverified.

    38) Distance to the sun: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    39) Size of the sun: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    40) Mass of the sun: not measured /calculated, unknown.

    41) Energy output of the sun: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    42) Force that holds the sun above the earth: no evidence / unverified, not measured / calculated, unknown.

    43) Force that creates the sun's circular movement above the Earth: no evidence / unverified, not measured / calculated, unknown.

    44) Distance to the moon: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    45) Size of the moon: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    46) Mass of the moon: not measured / calculated, unknown.

    47) Force that holds the moon above the earth: no evidence / unverified, not measured / calculated, unknown.

    48) Force that creates the moon's circular movement above the Earth: no evidence/unverified, not measured/calculated, unknown.


    Offline Stanley N

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #811 on: December 15, 2021, 06:33:19 PM »
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    14) How did the Japanese air force manage to fly from Japan to Pearl Harbour for the attack on Sunday, December 7, 1941,

    Aircraft carriers. They didn't fly from Japan.

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    31) The sun rises from behind the horizon and sinks behind the horizon, the size of the sun does not change as it rises or sets, but if it were moving away from us a massive change in size would be noticed!

    Actually, on a cloudy/misty day, the sun may appear smaller near sunrise/sunset than it does overhead.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #812 on: December 15, 2021, 06:43:37 PM »
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  • Here's a list of questions concerning the flat Earth model that have been answered for the globe Earth model. Let's see if we can come up for answers for just a few of them.

    Pick some, and let's have a discussion about it.

    Many of these questions demonstrate how poorly informed you are about Flat Earth.  You perpetuate the strawman hoax about the earth being a flat disc.  It's not

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    3) If I drill all the way through the disk what would l see or find on the other side?

    4) Why has no one ever drilled or tunnelled through to the bottom of flat earth?

    And you claim these have been answered for the globe?  Nonsense.  That's an abject lie.  The deepest anyone has ever drilled is 8 miles.  Nobody knows what's down there.  This stuff about there being some iron core somewhere is totally unproven hypothesis.

    Earth is not a thin flat disk floating in space.  We know only that that we live on a flat surface, but underneath we do not know the depth.  We know that hell is somewhere down there, but no one knows how deep.

    This is the kindof stuff which makes it clear that it's a wate of time to debate any issues seriously with you.

    Scanning your questions briefly, 80% of them are equally as stupid.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #813 on: December 15, 2021, 06:57:35 PM »
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    1) Why can it be predicted where the ISS can be sighted and when anywhere in the world? If the earth is flat the ISS would not appear from under the horizon, cross the sky perfectly visible with my eight inch reflecting telescope and then clearly disappear over the horizon again. Surely on a flat earth it would just traverse an arc around the sky.


    You're begging the question that there is an ISS up there as NASA claim.  There's ZERO video of it being constructed in space.  There's tons of obviously faked hoax videos claiming to be of astronauts on ISS.  There's something up there flying around, but we can't say what it is or what is mode of propulsion is.

    You also beg the question that it disappears OVER the horizon.  No, it would not just traverse in an arc across the sky.  There's a limit to our vision in all directions.  After it gets far enough away it would simply converge with the horizon, the ground.

    As things move away from you, they converge into the central point of your vision.



    No, the ceiling is not getting lower and the floor is not getting higher.  Things converge into the center as they get farther away.  At some point, the ceiling there would cease to be visible and would appear to have settled down into the floor.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #814 on: December 15, 2021, 07:04:32 PM »
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    2) What makes a lighter thing rise, and a heavier thing fall if there is no such thing as gravity?


    Buoyancy and density.  More dense things sink, while the less dense things rise up.  In terms of what causes the directionality, it depends on what the phenomenon of "gravity" is actually caused by.  Nobody knows.  It's most likely something to do with electromagnetism and so therefore the mass of the earth would attract objects toward it.  There are also theories about it being flow or movement of ether.

    Heck, even your god of modern science Einstein dismissed the notion of gravity as a "force" declaring it to be the function of curvature in space-time.

    Here are two videos from people who believe in modern science who also admit that Gravity doesn't exist.  You're about 50 year behind the times here.



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #815 on: December 15, 2021, 07:30:17 PM »
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  • Lets just get some cameras on a balloon, send it up and end this argument. If we get shot down or bump into a star than the FE guys are right. If we see a round earth and get go into a weightless state , then the "globetards" are correct.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #816 on: December 15, 2021, 08:06:04 PM »
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  • Lets just get some cameras on a balloon, send it up and end this argument. If we get shot down or bump into a star than the FE guys are right. If we see a round earth and get go into a weightless state , then the "globetards" are correct.


    It was done, and there is no curve.

    According to Black Science Man, you can't see the curve from that height anyway. But, you know, somehow we can supposedly see it on solid ground. :jester:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #817 on: December 15, 2021, 08:15:01 PM »
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  • It was done, and there is no curve.

    According to Black Science Man, you can't see the curve from that height anyway. But, you know, somehow we can supposedly see it on solid ground. :jester:
    I shall use FE logic: Its clearly photoshopped


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #818 on: December 15, 2021, 08:43:22 PM »
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  • I shall use FE logic: Its clearly photoshopped


    Here come the downvotes
    Ha.

    No, it just doesn't use a fish-eye lens like so many of the other videos from high-altitude balloons.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #819 on: December 15, 2021, 10:13:30 PM »
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  • Some takeaways:
    - The viewpoint stated in the Mountains of evidence video would show a different order for the peaks
    - The actual viewpoint is North of his stated position
    - The level line appears to be tilted in a way that makes the more distant peaks appear higher

    Since he was wrong about his viewpoint, he could be wrong about his elevation.
    Since Fryingpan is so close, a small change in viewing elevation would make a big difference.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #820 on: December 16, 2021, 03:34:19 AM »
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  • This video has a lot of wasted time, but it's the Eratosthenese experiment done with people from all over the earth, showing the Sun is farther away than just a few thousand km.

    I am considering trying to do this experiment or another with people on this site.

    The last few days of responses here suggests that flat earth belief is not really about evidence. Sure we discuss evidence because it's fun, but I don't get the sense it matters much.

    I think it has more to do with distrust of "science", much of which is justified. In a sense "science" tells us "this is how reality works", which can be imposing, take away one's voice, marginalize, disenfranchize, and isolate. Thus the tendency to group together with like-minded people, to feel less isolated.

    That much I understand.

    So what do you think. Would doing some experiments yourself help give you some trust in the process?


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #821 on: December 16, 2021, 05:43:16 AM »
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  • Some takeaways:
    - The viewpoint stated in the Mountains of evidence video would show a different order for the peaks
    - The actual viewpoint is North of his stated position
    - The level line appears to be tilted in a way that makes the more distant peaks appear higher

    Since he was wrong about his viewpoint, he could be wrong about his elevation.
    Since Fryingpan is so close, a small change in viewing elevation would make a big difference.


    Just as I suspected, “Mountain of Evidence” was filled with deception and inaccuracies. Many of these FE videos are filled with false and misleading “experiments”. Yeah, I’m very skeptical of science today, but a global Earth is old science, not new. What I’m more skeptical of are people who make sensational videos in order to get hits so they can get notoriety, money or both.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #822 on: December 16, 2021, 06:09:49 AM »
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  • I'll look at the "debunking" videos later, but the consistent theme I find in them is that they're full of DELIBERATE lies ... just like the guy who measured CN tower with a bogus scale and then claimed 26% was missing when in fact it was only 13%.  This can be verified from dozens and dozens of picture out there from across Lake Ontario.  At 500 feet missing, HALF of the shaft between the ground and the restaurant should be missing, and I've never seen one where even close to half was missing.

    I already know that one of the points is bogus, the camera tilt.  During his video he actually tilted the camera both ways and showed that any tilt only made a tiny bit of difference, a few feet on either side.  He took the possibility of not being perfectly level from side to side into account.  And I'm sure that I'll find similar lies on the other two allegations.

    And when you see nothing but lies in the glober videos, that tells me a lot.  They deliberately lie hoping that the casual viewer won't actually check their allegations.  I have found deliberate lies in many of their videos myself, and the Flat Earthers have debunking the debunkers videos out there that expose obvious lies in their videos.  I've not seen one yet that has stood up to any scrutiny.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #823 on: December 16, 2021, 06:17:09 AM »
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  • Just as I suspected, ...

    No, you didn't "suspect" anything.  You decided UP FRONT that it couldn't be true.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #824 on: December 16, 2021, 06:17:26 AM »
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  • IF the earth is a globe, and is 25,000 English statute miles in circuмference, the surface of all standing water must have a certain degree of convexity--every part must be an arc of a circle. From the summit of any such arc there will exist a curvature or declination of 8 inches in the first statute mile. In the second mile the fall will be 32 inches; in the third mile, 72 inches, or 6 feet, as shown in the following diagram:
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    The chart will help.  It shows how much curvature must be accounted for at x distance.

    Stanley, this chart shows how much curve should be accounted for when viewing chemtrails.  Planes flying over the "curve" of the earth, if there was one, would have to continually adjust the nose downward but they don't.  Chemtrails 70 miles long would be shaped like rainbows with 3266 feet of (over half a mile) of curve to reflect the earth below. That would be visible from the side.  They would look like the diagram above.

    There is no curve whatsoever in chemtrails.  They are flat, level, reflecting the earth below.
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