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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #795 on: December 14, 2021, 06:59:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:43 PM
    You can see mountains because the angle of resolution is probably 30 or more degrees between your eye and the top of the mountain which means nothing obstructs the view and the eye can resolve for enough detail to see it. When that angle gets smaller, as the object viewed is closer to the ground along with the viewer, one can no longer see the object(s) so the mountain is not a great example because it is so large.

    I see a mountain of 1200m height at about 10km. That's about 5°, not 30°.


    Quote from: Tradman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:43 PM
    The fact that you can see buildings is a sure sign earth is not a globe because at 30 km or 18 miles, most, if not the entire building would be below the curve about 250 feet below the line of sight.  That is how much curvature must be accounted for at that distance, if earth were a globe. 

    The buildings are built on a hillside. I even recognize that from the beach I see less buildings, the lower ones hidden behind earth curvature.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #796 on: December 14, 2021, 07:05:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 06:59:04 PM
    I see a mountain of 1200m height at about 10km. That's about 5°, not 30°.


    The buildings are built on a hillside. I even recognize that from the beach I see less buildings, the lower ones hidden behind earth curvature.
    Ok, my bad, we didn't identify all the things we should have.  You'll naturally see less buildings at the lower levels because the eye is unable to resolve the details because the angle is so low.  However, if you get out a zoom camera like the p900, the buildings will assuredly be visible and not behind any curve.  I bought a p900 several years ago and whatever is too low to identify with the eye will come into view, like boats and stuff, with that assistance.    
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #797 on: December 14, 2021, 07:12:35 PM »
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    • Here a section of the same image again.



    You can't see much, but some light pixels, because it is low quality digital image, on a not so perfect day. The light pixels are buildings, many of which I can separately see using quality field glasses.

    No mist above the water inhibits the view.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #798 on: December 14, 2021, 07:17:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
    Here a section of the same image again.



    You can't see much, but some light pixels, because it is low quality digital image, on a not so perfect day. The light pixels are buildings, each of which I can see using quality field glasses.

    No mist above the water inhibits the view.
    Mist, water movement, light refraction all change.  I'm not sure what your point is.  Still, a good p900 will bring those buildings into full view. If earth were a globe the buildings would not be visible at all because they would be below 250 feet of curvature at 18 miles away.  
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #799 on: December 14, 2021, 07:21:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on December 14, 2021, 07:17:51 PM
    Mist, water movement, light refraction all change.  I'm not sure what your point is.  Still, a good p900 will bring those buildings into full view. If earth were a globe the buildings would not be visible at all because they would be below 250 feet of curvature at 18 miles away. 


    They're at 17km (behind the here invisible flat island at 12km).

    Some of the buildings there are indeed invisible behind the horizon.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #800 on: December 14, 2021, 07:25:27 PM »
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    • Question: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?

    Answer: Not necessarily; If you're really blinded by "cognitive dissonance," what is an "obvious fact" to others cannot be perceived as the same by you. As a Trad, I suffered with this problem until July 16th of this year.  
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #801 on: December 14, 2021, 07:26:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: TradMan80 on December 14, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
    Question: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?

    Answer: Not necessarily; If you're really blinded by "cognitive dissonance," what is an "obvious fact" to others cannot be perceived as the same by you. As a Trad, I suffered with this problem until July 16th of this year. 

    What happened on July 16th of this year?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #802 on: December 14, 2021, 07:31:39 PM »
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    • Full of tradmen here now. I didn't even realize that the last tradman post wasn't Tradman but TradMan80.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #803 on: December 14, 2021, 07:34:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
    What happened on July 16th of this year?
    On July 16th of this year, I read Traditionis Custodes and realized that I was refusing to accept the "obvious fact" that the Sedes were 100% correct the entire time.  
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #804 on: December 14, 2021, 07:38:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: TradMan80 on December 14, 2021, 07:34:40 PM
    On July 16th of this year, I read Traditionis Custodes and realized that I was refusing to accept the "obvious fact" that the Sedes were 100% correct the entire time. 


    I'd say: wait for more obvious facts to become obvious to you. At least that's my experience.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #805 on: December 14, 2021, 07:42:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
    I'd say: wait for more obvious facts to become obvious to you. At least that's my experience.
    Thanks for the reply and that's good advice.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #806 on: December 14, 2021, 07:48:27 PM »
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    • Hey Tradman80, July 16th is the feast of Our Lady of Carmel.  She pulled you out of error!  Deo Gratias!
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #807 on: December 14, 2021, 07:57:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 14, 2021, 07:48:27 PM
    Hey Tradman80, July 16th is the feast of Our Lady of Carmel.  She pulled you out of error!  Deo Gratias!
    Deo Gratias, Indeed! 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #808 on: December 15, 2021, 08:39:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 07:31:39 PM
    Full of tradmen here now. I didn't even realize that the last tradman post wasn't Tradman but TradMan80.

    RED FLAG!!!! :laugh1:

    OFF TOPIC!!! :laugh2:

    No one cares about your inability to realize that users with different usernames are, in fact, being created and used by different people!!!!  :fryingpan: 

    Go to Cyber-Jail NOW!!! :clown:

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #809 on: December 15, 2021, 04:59:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 05:57:32 PM
    This guy here, who has one of the best sites out there on the subject, "Taboo Conspiracy III" ... called that because I and II got deleted by Youtube for no reason.  He started out as a guy who would argue on forums that the moon landings were fake.  Then a buddy of his brought up flat earth.  He concluded that FE was a psy-op to discredit arguments against the moon landings.  So he deliberately set out to debunk and discredit it.  But at some point, he realized he was losing the argument and eventually gave in and became convinced of Flat Earth.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z5IVoNE5cP2kka5svUEBw/videos

    Here's the story of how he came to believe in Flat Earth after being a skeptic and setting out to expose and debunk it, believing it to be a psyop, in an attempt to "save" his "fellow truthseekers" from it.

    Another very simple, easy to understand, and easy to replicate experiment (even for science noobs).  Yet still no explanation from globe tards.  These people are using globe calculations and they don't work.  :jester:
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