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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #675 on: December 13, 2021, 02:50:45 PM »
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    The crow's nest allows to see other ships and land earlier.
    Duh??  This is why castles on built on hills...to see one's enemy earlier.  This has nothing to do with flat earth.  :jester:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #676 on: December 13, 2021, 02:51:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 13, 2021, 02:34:43 PM
    How much earlier, according to globe math?  10 seconds?  What is the point of that?

    How arrogant is that, gladius_veritatis? You're not even able to check out and calculate an example, but you react as if you believe that the engineers, who built the ships shown above, were idiots.

    They aren't. They built and build useful ships with useful crow's nests.

    :jester::facepalm::jester::facepalm:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #677 on: December 13, 2021, 03:01:31 PM »
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    • https://www.bitchute.com/video/OxIHjjhI3rhh/

    Marion, Stanley and Quo Vadis...can you watch this video and tell me why the curvature of the earth doesn't show up?  You can watch the video in 1.75x speed; it's worth it.  I honestly want to know an answer.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #678 on: December 13, 2021, 03:25:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 13, 2021, 01:45:43 PM

    Ships had a crow's nest, some do still today. The higher up, the better. That's because the earth isn't flat. If the earth were flat, one could see as far from the deck. From the crow's nest, staff sees other ships or land earlier.

    It's common sense that the higher up you are, the farther you can see due to perspective -- plus you can see over obstacles. In the photo you posted of the Santa Maria, I couldn't find a place on that ship where I would rather be, to get a good view of the horizon. Standing anywhere else would be sub-optimal, either due to the ship itself (since it curves), furniture/pieces of the ship, its many sails and masts, etc.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #679 on: December 13, 2021, 03:45:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 13, 2021, 03:25:25 PM
    It's common sense that the higher up you are, the farther you can see due to perspective --

    It is common sense that the higher up you are, the farther you can see. But that's not due to perspective. Take a pencil and a paper and draw some lines. On a globe earth, there is a finite horizon. On a flat earth, there isn't.

    Flat earthers say that the ocean is basically flat like a mathematical straight line.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #680 on: December 13, 2021, 03:46:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 12, 2021, 10:05:27 PM

    Just because I don't believe in aliens from outer space, or time travel, or anti-gravity technology, or mind control, or laser plasma weapons, or various other strange ideas you have discussed in other threads, doesn't mean I believe in whatever mainstream culture believe in. Quite the contrary. :cowboy:

    Is that your attempt at a "strawman"?

    Where on CathInfo does ANYONE discuss time travel, aliens, or anti-gravity as serious possibilities? Maybe I missed something in my moderation work.
    Every time I've seen those topics on CathInfo, it's been to debunk their very possibility from a Catholic perspective.

    I know of only one person who pushes what I repeatedly called "tinfoil hat cօռspιʀαcιҽs": mind control, graphene, AI, all that. But I came out openly and strongly against it, so you can't pin that on me OR CathInfo.

    Along with time travel and aliens, "AI" is another impossibility once you understand Catholic dogma and traditional metaphysics.

    As for advanced weapons -- I don't think that's crazy. Of course they're developing lasers and other weapons. Do you think they have no interest in advancing the state of the art in weapons technology? If that's your opinion, YOU'RE the crazy one.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #681 on: December 13, 2021, 03:50:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 13, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
    On a globe earth, there is a horizon. On a flat earth, there isn't.

    Sez you. Oh, that's a slam-dunk argument right there!

    Yes there most certainly would be a horizon on a flat earth. Think about it some more.

    But from what I've seen in this thread, you're not going to take that advice. You seem to have taken some kind of guardian role in defending the globe earth paradigm. For whatever reasons (I won't care to speculate), you feel very strongly about this issue. So anyone looking for the honest, evidence-based truth of the matter should steer clear of you and any other zealots like you. You come across extremely biased.

    Regardless of how high you go, the horizon stays at eye level. You never have to look "down" or adjust your head downward to follow the horizon. Nor do you EVER see any curvature of the earth, unless you're talking about videos produced by NASA (Never A Straight Answer) or taken with a fisheye lens. No matter how high up you climb or launch yourself (plane, etc.) the horizon is always flat and eye level.  In my opinion, this is one of the strongest arguments I've read for Flat Earth. And I'll admit, any strong evidence for Flat Earth can be a bit disturbing (not to say scary) for those who were taught Globe Earth since babyhood.

    But some people can handle the truth, and some cannot. I understand.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #682 on: December 13, 2021, 03:54:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 13, 2021, 03:50:14 PM
    Sez you. Oh, that's a slam-dunk argument right there!

    Yes there most certainly would be a horizon on a flat earth. Think about it some more.

    But from what I've seen in this thread, you're not going to take that advice. You seem to have taken some kind of guardian role in defending the globe earth paradigm. For whatever reasons (I won't care to speculate), you feel very strongly about this issue. So anyone looking for the honest, evidence-based truth of the matter should steer clear of you and any other zealots like you. You come across extremely biased.


    So what's the problem? Do the flat earthers come across less biased?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #683 on: December 13, 2021, 03:57:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 13, 2021, 03:54:17 PM

    So what's the problem? Do the flat earthers come aross less biased?

    Some do, some don't. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #684 on: December 13, 2021, 04:00:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 12, 2021, 03:09:02 PM
    Ladislaus, is this your comment before you watched that ham radio operator video entirely, or after?

    Where is the link to the video in question? I'd like to watch it, since I'm a Ham Radio guy myself.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #685 on: December 13, 2021, 04:02:48 PM »
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    • If the earth were flat, you wouldn't have to climb to double height to see farther.
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    « Reply #686 on: December 13, 2021, 04:04:48 PM »
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #687 on: December 13, 2021, 04:06:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 13, 2021, 04:02:48 PM
    If the earth were flat, you wouldn't have to climb to double height to see farther.

    I disagree with this your opinion.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #688 on: December 13, 2021, 04:19:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 13, 2021, 03:46:09 PM
    Is that your attempt at a "strawman"?

    Where on CathInfo does ANYONE discuss time travel, aliens, or anti-gravity as serious possibilities? Maybe I missed something in my moderation work.
    Every time I've seen those topics on CathInfo, it's been to debunk their very possibility from a Catholic perspective.

    I know of only one person who pushes what I repeatedly called "tinfoil hat cօռspιʀαcιҽs": mind control, graphene, AI, all that. But I came out openly and strongly against it, so you can't pin that on me OR CathInfo.

    Along with time travel and aliens, "AI" is another impossibility once you understand Catholic dogma and traditional metaphysics.

    As for advanced weapons -- I don't think that's crazy. Of course they're developing lasers and other weapons. Do you think they have no interest in advancing the state of the art in weapons technology? If that's your opinion, YOU'RE the crazy one.
    Well, there's a bit of history here and I can't remember all of it. I was responding to what Pax said about me, that I dismiss cօռspιʀαcιҽs or something to that effect. He was referring to a discussion he and I had a few months back involving something that sounded something out of an episode of Star Trek. I don't remember now what it was about, exactly. No, it wasn't aliens or time travel, but it was something like mind control or anti-gravity machines or something similar. I asked for evidence of such extraordinary claims, and when there wasn't any forthcoming, I dismissed their existence due to lack of evidence and inherent unlikelihood. Pax disagreed and said he was more likely to believe such things, etc.

    That's why he thinks I don't believe things I should believe, and I think he believes things he should not believe. My comment about aliens was half-joking. I apologize if you found it offensive.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #689 on: December 13, 2021, 04:36:11 PM »
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    No, it wasn't aliens or time travel, but it was something like mind control or anti-gravity machines or something similar.
    I was not defending such ideas just arguing against your logic, which *sometimes* starts with, "I can't see how that works", or "I see no reason to believe x, y or z".  Obviously if one doesn't know about such subjects, then you can't believe it or understand how it works.  
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