The followers of charlatans Rowbothham and Dubay don't even have a model describing the movements of sun, moon, and stars.

I have never heard of the first person mentioned, only recently heard of Dubay and have relied upon neither in my search for the truth.  What is more, FE most certainly does have an explanation for the movement of the sun, moon, etc.  Just because your ignorant, close-minded self hasn't seen it or given it consideration means absolutely nothing.

I have never heard of the first person mentioned, only recently heard of Dubay and have relied upon neither in my search for the truth.  What is more, FE most certainly does have an explanation for the movement of the sun, moon, etc.  Just because your ignorant, close-minded self hasn't seen it or given it consideration means absolutely nothing.

Thanks for telling the readers about your lack of education, and that you didn't even read this thread, Mr Flat Tard!

You prove one thing: You didn't even took note of, much less understand, what he wrote.

You prove your grasp of English is lacking.  No biggie.

You prove your grasp of English is lacking.  No biggie.

Thanks for pointing out this error of mine. Should have been take not took. I appreciate your correction.

Florence Cathedral (Cattedrale di Santa Maria del Fiore), Italy

most certainly - so as you're defending FE I take you are supporter of this belief, however you don't know if there are explanations in the FE model for the daily natural phenomena we can observe with our very eyes?

You and most globers simply take it for granted that various "phenomena we can observe with our very eyes" prove their position.  But these are entirely falsified by actual experiments conducted by the Flat Earthers.  I don't see the globers going out making videos by the hundreds, taking measurements, etc.  They just beg the question and take it for granted that the "phenomena" back up their position.  They're content with statements like yours above.

Just one example.  Glober after glober starts with the old "ships disappearing over the horizon" nonsense as their first go-to proof.  But the FEers actually go out there and demonstrate that even when they might APPEAR to disappear, they immediately return to view when you zoom in with a good camera, like a Nikon P900.  I have yet to see a video by a globe earther demonstrating the contrary.  There was one attempted by (I think it was) PBS or National Geographic, using a helicopter descending below the horizon, and that was proven to be a fake.  They simply reversed the film, as the FE group pointed out that an exactly identical flock of birds flew by both when the copter was going "down" and when it was coming back "up".  Why did they have to fake the video?

All globers would have to do is to convincingly falsify something like the Rowbotham experiment.  Track a small boat on film and watch it disappear when globe math indicates that it should.  Then zoom in to maximum magnification to show that despite the magnification it's still gone.  But the FEers have literally hundreds of videos which show the opposite result, that they remain visible for miles and miles after globe math indicates they should have disappeared.

I will be conducting my own experiments along these lines, as a P1000 camera might be arriving for Christmas this year

I will be conducting my own experiments along these lines, as a P1000 camera might be arriving for Christmas this year

Have you gotten a ham radio license yet? If you have a General Class license or better multiple forum members could do NVIS/NHIS experiments. I think NHIS/NVIS could potentially move the arguments on this forum forward one way or the other.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OxIHjjhI3rhh/

So the globe earthers need to watch this video. What's the answer?

He clearly records mountains of the same elevation (within a few feet) that appear level.  One is just a few miles away, and the other two are 34 and 36 miles away respectively ... and therefore should be about 800 feet shorter.  But they're not.  They're all even.