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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #555 on: December 10, 2021, 11:26:21 AM »
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    • From the book: Oriente conquistado a Jesus Cristo pelos padres da Companhia de Jesus da Provincia de Goa (Orient conquered for Jesus Christ by the priests of the Society of Jesus of the Province of Goa) published in A.D. MDCCX

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #556 on: December 10, 2021, 11:31:50 AM »
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #557 on: December 10, 2021, 11:37:05 AM »
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    • No one is denying that people have believed in a globe earth. That art proves nothing but the conceptions of the artist about the world.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #558 on: December 10, 2021, 12:03:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 10, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
    No one is denying that people have believed in a globe earth.

    Ladislaus is denying that Popes Nicholas V and Alexander VI were talking about a globe earth:

    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 10, 2021, 09:27:27 AM
    No, but you've certainly shown yourself to be a posterior orifice.

    There is in fact a southern magnetic pole on a Flat Earth model beyond Antarctica.  Nevertheless, are you suggesting that the Pope was teaching Magisterially that there's an "Antarctic southern pole"?  Maybe that statement meets the notes of infallibility too.

    Stop for a second and think about what ANTarctic region means, eh?  It's simply the area opposite to and away from the Arctic circle.  There's an Arctic and an ANTarctic on a flat earth too.  When in the souther hemisphere, thiings rotate the other way due to perspective, which is why it's called ANT.


    He's trying to fool readers and suggest they were talking about magnetic poles on a flat earth. Then he's dishonestly presenting a strawman ("teaching Magisterially", "infallibility"). And another strawman: "ANTarctic region" instead of Antarctic pole.


    That's why I'm showing some maps to demonstrate, what cartography was after Columbus.




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    Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 10, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
    That art proves nothing but the conceptions of the artist about the world.

    Indeed. But if you find virtually all globes and globe-projections from a certain time, you can infer that there is a reason why that is like it is.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #559 on: December 10, 2021, 12:24:44 PM »
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    • Altare maggiore. Chiesa della Madonna Immacolata (Gesù Nuovo), Naples, Italy. Constructed A.D. 1584–1601.



    P.S.: Imagine Our Lady above a flat Rowbotham/Dubay earth. :facepalm:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #560 on: December 10, 2021, 12:29:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nishant Xavier on December 10, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
    This Right there - the Globe-Earth at Our Lady's Immaculate Feet - should show the absurdity of Flat-Earth once and for all.

    OK, this has been explained a couple times now.  Earth is in fact shaped like a globe, but we live inside the globe not on the surface of it.

    Secondly, you're confusing art with Magisterium.  Medieval Cathedrals have gargoyles all over them.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #561 on: December 10, 2021, 12:31:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 10, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
    No one is denying that people have believed in a globe earth. That art proves nothing but the conceptions of the artist about the world.

    Don't let simple logical distinctions get in the way.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #562 on: December 10, 2021, 12:43:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 10, 2021, 12:29:53 PM
    OK, this has been explained a couple times now.  Earth is in fact shaped like a globe, but we live inside the globe not on the surface of it.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #563 on: December 10, 2021, 12:44:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 10, 2021, 12:31:39 PM
    Don't let simple logical distinctions get in the way.
    Yeah, I forgot. We're going off of art and what the high priests of science tell us.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #564 on: December 10, 2021, 12:45:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pope Alexander VI, Inter caetera, 1493
    [...] that in our times especially the Catholic faith and the Christian religion be exalted and be everywhere increased and spread, that the health of souls be cared for and that barbarous nations be overthrown and brought to the faith itself [...] Christopher Columbus, a man assuredly worthy and of the highest recommendations and fitted for so great an undertaking [...]


    But the post-modern flat-earthers, without reason, without even a rudimentary model to explain even the most obvious phenomena, go ahead and try to destroy Pope, discoverer, history, and reality.




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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #565 on: December 10, 2021, 12:48:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nishant Xavier on December 10, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
    This Right there - the Globe-Earth at Our Lady's Immaculate Feet - should show the absurdity of Flat-Earth once and for all.
    Everything about this picture shows clues to a flat earth.  The pillars of the earth, the dome, the windows, the Church which is a foundation firmly fixed, and Mary holding all of creation.   
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #566 on: December 10, 2021, 12:54:35 PM »
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    • Go ahead, and debunk freemasonic U.S.A., and illuminati Europe. But please switch on your brains before going against medieval Catholic Europe. Against St. Thomas Aquinas and all other Catholic scholars, Popes, etc.
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    Tabernacle shaped like a globe on the main altar of the abbey church, Duernstein, Wachau valley, Waldviertel region

    That's in Austria, north of capital Vienna.





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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #568 on: December 10, 2021, 01:08:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 10, 2021, 12:43:14 PM
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    Can't even call the guy artist, who perpetrated this crime. A degenerate image reflecting a degenerate world and culture detached from reality and God's creation.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #569 on: December 10, 2021, 01:30:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on December 08, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
    I PROPOSE WE LET THIS THREAD DIE.


    No one is going to change any minds. We are at 35 pages and still counting on a thread about "Is not accepting an obvious truth a lie" and we are arguing about the shape of the earth. And this is making us look like idiots to everyone reading this forum.

    Leave this thread to die and let it rest in the deep, forgotten chambers of old topics.
    Then you'll need to start another thread about this thread ending. :laugh1:
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