If you carefully read the excerpt that I posted from Providentissimus Deus you can see how he is quoting, affirming and even extending the application of St. Augustine's teaching.

I did.  It says nothing of the kind.

  Which came first - flat land/sphere earth model of all ancient civilizations, or... the 15th century, atheistic, planetary lie?


Which came first - the idea of a (relatively speaking) small sun/moon/stars, which rotated above the earth...or the modern, atheistic, freemasonic "light years away" heliocentric lie?

Modern astronomy made most of this crap up, but I have to "prove" it's wrong? 

Well, the ancient greeks believed the earth was round. They were the first to calculate the diameter-circuмference of the earth using 2 cities at the same time at a particular date. So several ancient civilizations believed in the round earth

Well, the ancient greeks believed the earth was round. They were the first to calculate the diameter-circuмference of the earth using 2 cities at the same time at a particular. So several ancient civilizations beleved in the round earth.

Yes.  Pliny writes that at his time, not only the educated but even the common people knew that the earth is a sphere.

Virtually all medieval Catholic scientists (including Doctors of the Church) came to the conclusion and understood that the earth is a globe. These were all men who accepted the inerrancy of Scripture and the authority of the Church.  It is not correct to identify this model only with "modern pagan science".

As has been shown, many Catholic scientists believed earth is flat and based it on scripture.
Those who accepted the globe never used scripture to prove the globe.  
Big difference.


Of course it's modern pagan science.  Said powers that be, who disparage research on the subject of flat earth, expunge information from the internet, shut down Youtube accounts for anyone who believes earth is flat, and take in billions of tax dollars for their photoshopped images, cgi, green screen video and fake moon landing to show round earth... all modern pagan scientists quietly (or even overtly) supported by those who are turning our world into an enslavement camp.   

It is also frequently asked what our belief must be about the form and shape of heaven according to Sacred Scripture. Many scholars engage in lengthy discussions on these matters, but the sacred writers with their deeper wisdom have omitted them.   Such subjects are of no profit for those who seek beatitude, and, what is worse, they take up very precious time that ought to be given to what is spiritually beneficial.

What concern is it of mine whether heaven is like a sphere and the earth is enclosed by it and suspended in the middle of the universe, or whether heaven like a disk above the earth covers it over on one side?...

Hence, I must say briefly that in the matter of the shape of heaven the sacred writers knew the truth, but that the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, did not wish to teach men these facts that would be of no avail for their salvation.

St Augustine was addressing those who thought that the shape was a doctrine.  That's why he used the phrase:  "what our belief must be".  He says it's a waste of time, when viewed from the angle of doctrine or sanctity, because the topic concerns neither.

But it's inaccurate to say St Augustine didn't care, or thought it was a waste of time from a curiosity/science standpoint.  He wrote extensively about the topic in 3 different books.  It seems he studied it for a long time, wrote about it, then stopped.  Then later in life, he revisited the topic in 2 of his other writings, including "city of God".  He flipped back and forth between Plato's flat earth/dome model and the the pagan-style sphere model. 

Interesting that Plato was a very big proponent of the natural law, while most other greek pagans were immoral pedophiles.  

We are at 35 pages and still counting on a thread about "Is not accepting an obvious truth a lie" and we are arguing about the shape of the earth.

There's no difference between 1 thread of 35 pages and 35 threads of 1 page.  The debate over flat earth isn't going away.  You are free to leave anytime.

 We are at 35 pages and still counting on a thread about "Is not accepting an obvious truth a lie" and we are arguing about the shape of the earth.

Leave this thread to die and let it rest in the deep, forgotten chambers of old topics.

35 pages isn't even getting started on CI, Romulus .